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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:59 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
hey actually i was writing up a post explaining how i constantly wanted to vote rosske throughout the game but kept persuading myself to vote for a townie instead (KTS, Phantom)... but er
In post 979, Tenshii wrote:VOTE: Luna Fox
tenshii can you explain this vote

VOTE: Tenshii

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:00 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
seriously that's some hardcore dodgeballing there

i don't think this vote on luna was ever explained

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:01 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
oh nvm, exists but it's an awful explanation sorry tenshii </3

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:02 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
short list is atm:

Tenshii > Rosske > hope i get nightkilled

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:30 pm
by mhsmith0
The sequence around here
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525

is pretty impressive from Rosske if he's karnos's partner. Luna votes karnos, transcend snap-votes luna, and rosske pushes transcend about it. there's nothing really there at that spot to suggest he's hard-pushing a counter-wagon to karnos, or that he's busy bussing karnos for the town credit, etc. Not hard-clearing, but it seems fairly hard to fake that there.

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:44 pm
by mhsmith0
There's an interaction tell that I like to use from time to time, see:

Spoiler: interactions as a tell
the basic theory
Ugluk wrote:Scum have no genuine questions of their brethren, so it is difficult to appear to engage in earnest, and often they don’t even think to try, beyond light banter and distancing votes.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8210384
as a recent example (BBT/random flipped wolf, the third was kuroi, who they had ZERO interactions with despite all three of them talking quite a lot)


Moreover, this seems to work for karnos as a wolf (notably, in a game he won)

Double ISO of him + ranger (the team)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

# posts where he's talking TO ranger (his partner): 1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7922083
and that wasn't an interesting post, more of a shade-throwy post

# posts where ranger is talking to him: ZERO (unless I missed something)


Note that here I'm counting interactions as talking TO someone (clear response to a post, asking/answering a question, etc) as opposed to talking ABOUT someone.

So here's my loose count of interactions to/from karnos:

Spoiler: interactions
Still Alive
Trans 388
Thor 149 183 192 195 202 207 210 272 285 290 379 380 390 391 392 etc
smith 231 286
giga 46 49 51 70 72 150 181 186 203 204 208 209 212 213 214 etc
Tenshii 85 384 386
Rosske 399 404 432
Luna 108 142 143 184 187 188 193 194 197 199 200 230 481

Dead
Io a whole bunch
KTS 387 506
PC 198


So at this point that's pretty clearing for thor, giga and luna
(here's a newbie with a thor-dewy team, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go, they talk in 51, 58, 91, 130, 146, 336, and much of it was empty interactions - which compares to Thor's large amount of interactions with LQ, and more substantive interactions w a bunch of other slots too, most notably frog and Zyf)

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:49 pm
by Transcend
cool i agree the 3 of them are town

lynch rosske lol

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:49 pm
by Transcend
In post 1825, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:hey actually i was writing up a post explaining how i constantly wanted to vote rosske throughout the game but kept persuading myself to vote for a townie instead (KTS, Phantom)... but er
In post 979, Tenshii wrote:VOTE: Luna Fox
tenshii can you explain this vote

VOTE: Tenshii

BAD

BAD

BAD

BAD

BAD

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:17 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
transcend

u spent the entire game trying to get an obvtown slot lynched... don't talk to me about bad.... :(

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:17 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
also mhsmith's posts make me feel better about my tenshii vote :/

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:27 pm
by Transcend
lunaw as notobvtown until they did that replace out.

so f*** off and don't discredit my reads.

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:41 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
tbf rosske has misrepped events in the game twice that i'm not sure what to think of it

It's usually a town thing to do that, right? But at the same time, he completely misrepresented Transcend to justify his push on him.

I'm really sorry I'm being kind of lazy this game, the other game I'm in is pretty much taking up all of my mental energy (in a positive way)! Not really sure if I'm crazy enough about what's going on here to really delve into it hard afterwards but I'm not planning on stretching myself out anymore.

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:04 pm
by Transcend
I just hope you understand why I'm so pissed when not one single lynch I've wanted has gained more than half the amount of votes needed to be lynched. Makes me feel kinda ~useless~.

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:07 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
nah i feel you it's just

i've never felt so clueless about a mafia game... in face-to-face games i'm usually the one pulling the game's weight as either alignment, and even in my newbie where i never once voted scum i thought i knew what i was doing. here i was so sure about krankles, but now that he's gone it just feels like there isn't even scum hiding among us.

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:13 pm
by Transcend
i just can't see myself wanting to ever lynch tenshii over rosske like ever

or tenshiiever

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:00 pm
by tojam2
VC Day 4 - 6


Transcend L-3 - Rosske
Rosske L-3 - Transcend
Tenshii L-2 - Thor665, gigabyteTroubadour
Thor665 L-3 - Tenshii

(expired on 2016-08-29 09:30:00)

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:08 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
we're getting daily votecounts! :D

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:13 pm
by Transcend
:D

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:27 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
transcend mafia game; mini 1796

if anyone is paranoid of transcend btw, that's there ^

it's probably tenshii or rosske but that's there ^

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:39 pm
by Transcend
dun dun dun

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:50 pm
by gigabyteTroubadour
In post 1844, Transcend wrote:dun dun dun
Image Image Image

so far scum!transcend's reads feel pretty safe/normal but i'm still early in the game

no crazy moon logic there :) :shifty: :good:

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:52 pm
by Transcend
LMFAO

Have fun reading that game :P

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:26 am
by gigabyteTroubadour
scum!Transcend is very aggressive about defending his townreads, notably. i'm at page 17 atm, still early game but i'm trucking through.

look at this post from that game, it's like he knew shotty was town all along... idk maybe it's because i know who scum are but still, i haven't seen him put this much argumentative fire into defending tenshii. most of his focus is on pushing Rosske.

the point is though i don't really think tenshii is shotty here.... that might change as i read but still

also the reason i'm doing this is to mostly reaffirm that the townbloc isn't shit... because i don't see the issue of powertownlynching Rosske/Tenshii/someone else if we can be sure that {Thor, Wingback, Giga, and one of transcend/mhsmith} are entirely town... the original townbloc had transcend in it but mhsmith has brought more to the game at least (luv u transcend :C </3) so i don't know. i have to see how mhsmith plays as scum later

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:31 am
by gigabyteTroubadour
I'm not very good at meta-ing people by reading their games if that's not clear. There isn't that much of a translation from face-to-face mafia to forum mafia, the closest thing there is to it is personally knowing the other players, which you can't do by reading about them.

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:32 am
by Transcend
like i said, you can't meta me

i play identical games as both alignments.

i defend my townreads to the death as both alignments, because it betters my win.