In post 1822, clidd wrote:I would probably be able to finish on Saturday, even being discouraged. But I prefer to be honest than to deliver something opaque, without passion.
Thank you so much for your effort up until now. I don't know what you might be going through, but I wish you the best and I hope you will feel better soon. Your mental health is more important than fulfilling that delivery.
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:37 pm
by Maduisha
All that is left is waiting for tomorrow, then, I guess.
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:56 pm
by Datisi
In post 1821, clidd wrote:All my actions in this game, especially my megalomaniacal analyzes (Marashu/TRQ ~ 1414/627) are beyond the reach of my scum-range for creativity and observational/descriptive skills, and the fact that Datisi is blind to this (because he saw how scum!clidd plays and would be able to distinguish the difference), indicate that his mentality is not as open as I expected from the town!Datisi. I also believe that if he had appealed to me, maybe I would have changed my mind, but this whole transition from '' I don't know who is scum '' to '' skitter is scum '' and then to '' clidd is scum '' when I made it clear that my desire to vote on him, seems sporadic and inconsistent with what I was hoping to see.
1) so your whole argument is "these two posts are out of my scum range, datisi played with scum me, datisi should know better"?
2) don't put words in my mouth. Your argument before was "Datisi didn't want to explicitly call skitter scum which was a misplay on his part" to "Datisi is jumping from calling skitter scum to calling me scum?"
Just because i voted skit as a response to her vote doesn't mean i was calling her scum. I keep saying "i don't think so but maybe" because guess what? I don't know.
In post 1822, clidd wrote:I would probably be able to finish on Saturday, even being discouraged. But I prefer to be honest than to deliver something opaque, without passion.
Thank you so much for your effort up until now. I don't know what you might be going through, but I wish you the best and I hope you will feel better soon. Your mental health is more important than fulfilling that delivery.
I thank you for your comforting words. It is even strange that I mention these chemical manifestations because I usually criticize this when I see it in people. Well, I suppose no one is made of iron.
In post 1821, clidd wrote:All my actions in this game, especially my megalomaniacal analyzes (Marashu/TRQ ~ 1414/627) are beyond the reach of my scum-range for creativity and observational/descriptive skills, and the fact that Datisi is blind to this (because he saw how scum!clidd plays and would be able to distinguish the difference), indicate that his mentality is not as open as I expected from the town!Datisi. I also believe that if he had appealed to me, maybe I would have changed my mind, but this whole transition from '' I don't know who is scum '' to '' skitter is scum '' and then to '' clidd is scum '' when I made it clear that my desire to vote on him, seems sporadic and inconsistent with what I was hoping to see.
1) so your whole argument is "these two posts are out of my scum range, datisi played with scum me, datisi should know better"?
2) don't put words in my mouth. Your argument before was "Datisi didn't want to explicitly call skitter scum which was a misplay on his part" to "Datisi is jumping from calling skitter scum to calling me scum?"
Just because i voted skit as a response to her vote doesn't mean i was calling her scum. I keep saying "i don't think so but maybe" because guess what? I don't know.
1) No, my observation is just something additional that I wanted to comment on. I believe that your slot, compared to the resolute attempts of others, is the closest to the scum margin.
2) Maybe I expressed myself badly (I wasn't paying attention to the post) but the scenario in which you don't immediately classify Skitter as scum in your perspective is immensely worse than the scenario in which you consider her to be naturally scum. Also, chronologically, who started the push on you was Skitter, the end of D2, when you officially entered her scum-pool. Until the beginning of today, I was considering Scum!Skitter before Scum!Datisi, but as you seemed much more scummy in terms of behavior, I feel more comfortable with your lynch.
3) Yes, you don't know, so let who knows do his job.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:36 am
by Datisi
Considering you think I'm scum, you don't know either, my dude.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:38 am
by clidd
So help me to see it, friend. I am not invincible.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:50 am
by Datisi
Okay. Do you genuinely believe that scum!me enters the game with bussing, continuously pushing on my partner (other than the part with the scumcase on me about CrUmBiNg MaSoN), to then hardpush onto Wu at the last possible second, even though scum!me already knew the PRs (regarding your earlier analysis that scum knew about the Masons early), it would make me look worse tomorrow, when Wu would've always gotten lynch Day 2 had Mara flipped Day 1?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:08 am
by clidd
That's the problem, Datisi. The final problem, I would say. This sequence that you said doesn't really make sense to you!Scum, but we have Skitter who pushed Marashu between days 1 and 2, which characterizes hardbuss. And according to what I have speculated so far, scum has to be between you two. In the third option, if I push my mind beyond human limits, I can see, perhaps, Word being scum, but Marashu + Word is not a pair that correctly reasons that TRQ is mason D1 (no offense, of course).
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:15 am
by Datisi
Why do you think so? Wasn't Marashu the first person to take TRQ's page 1 claim seriously?
I don't like how you're trying to rush the day. There was a lull because people were waiting for mala to post more details about the case on Dat. I find the case lackluster and also feel like more scrutiny is required, and find it odd that you seem to have just accepted the little that mala shared and are ready to move to the next day. It feels like it doesn't matter what mala had posted because you are committed to ending the day. You wanted to hold off a fast lynch for discussion, but you seem resolved that discussion has reached its end.
Also, at the start of the day you didn't remember that I had already claimed on D1. Maybe you did forget, but if you were town I feel like you would be keeping track of people to make sure they stay consistent.
As for your votes for me, on D1 your case was that whether I was town or mafia, my flip would benefit town, and that you don't want someone with a low post count in lylo. You had the same wishy-washy approach to sr'ing Wu on D1, at one point indicating you would vote for him but wanted to wait for a while, and later coming back ready to hammer when others were also ready to hammer. Now today it sounds like your reasoning is:
(That's a bit of a harsh strawman, so allow me to rephrase for your actual case. At the start of the day you thought that I might be town but assert that what I say should not change the lynch. Then you comment that the same thing that happened on D1 might be happening on D2, and in the same post ask for a list of other possible lynch candidates. This is another red flag to me - why do you want other people to come up with lynch candidates? You later go on to say that I will be lynched today or tomorrow, and that you just want to get it done today.)
You seem convinced to lynch me regardless of whether I am town or scum. I have to ask: Am I your top scum read? Or are you voting for me because you believe my lynch would benefit the town?
And the fact that Marashu suspected Word right after he voted seemed to me to be unplanned. It would call Scum!Word unnecessary attention. Which also implies that Town!Word is more likely.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:22 am
by clidd
In post 1835, Datisi wrote:Why do you think so? Wasn't Marashu the first person to take TRQ's page 1 claim seriously?
Yes, but at no time was there a verbal confirmation of the role. It was possible that TRQ was bluffing to attract NK and protect potential PRs. If there was, in fact, the decision to kill her, I believe that further reflection was made by a moderately intelligent player (which clearly was not Marashu).
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:31 am
by word321
In post 1821, clidd wrote:Sorry guys, due to some personal events, I feel that I am not so inspired to develop a breakthrough analysis. I was very excited about it, but a number of things ended up discouraging me and I couldn't finish it. Although I am a predominantly rational player, sometimes chemical reactions, entitled ''feelings'', affect my mental energy, consequently having a delaying effect on my mental faculties and decreasing my cognitive ability. I am not aware of how to deal with these manifestations, but I believe that I just need to calm down a little and relax.
Of course, real life should always take precedence over a game; that is completely fine.
About the rest of the developments in the day:
With this, at least I've seen what I was waiting for: clidd is railed towards datisi, and datisi only. I'd say that it is a soft tl, since it allows no possibility nor planning for tomorrow.
So, I guess now I'll wait for skitter.
And I'd like to say no offenses were taken, but the last one did hit home. But at least now it works in my favor, if only to explain clidds reaction.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:05 am
by Maduisha
Yeah, no offenses taken here either.
It is Saturday now, hopefully Skitter tells us what's on her mind soon so we can reach the consensus as to which is the best step towards narrowing the PoE. I'm not convinced Datisi is scum for the reasons I already gave in my previous posts, but it's true that ruling out the possibility completely is impossible, as always. If you guys think it's the best course of action, then I will not oppose it, because I don't have a firmer alternative to propose.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:06 am
by Datisi
Madu, people here from Towniest to scummiest, go.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:34 am
by Maduisha
Datisi=Clidd>Skitter>Word. The first two I find equally towny, but also see the room for scummy behavior. Clidd because of the events happening during the end of D2, and you because Marashu seemed to be trying to protect you. I believe Clidd is just town and I'm being paranoid, and I think Marashu tried to fabricate interactions that would make it difficult to find his partner, so I don't think his defense of you necessarily means you're scum.
The reason why you two are above Skitter and Word is because I got a stronger town vibe from both slots. Skitter is above Word but below you guys is because I don't think she'd hard bus her partner, but also can't rule out the possibility. If my belief that Clidd and you are townier is correct, then ruling out hard bus is unwise. I haven't been able to make a strong read out of Skitter's or Word's slots during all the game, so that's why they're the last two. Word is last simply because I find that scum!Word is more probable than a bussing Skitter, but yeah, that's all. I don't have a firm alternative to offer, as I said.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:37 am
by Datisi
Are you still planning on just sheeping clidd's reads even though they blatantly clash with your own?
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:38 am
by Karnage
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:45 am
by Maduisha
In post 1842, Datisi wrote:Are you still planning on just sheeping clidd's reads even though they blatantly clash with your own?
Well, when I can't find a different direction to take by myself and the rest of players agree on a decision, I think that's the moment in which I ought to question if my reads are correct and concede that I can make mistakes and be reading people wrong. We are waiting for Skitter precisely to see if everyone is on the same page at this point in the game, aren't we? For now, Clidd and Word feel settled on lynching you as a tool to narrow PoE. If I trust the PoE, then agreeing with the majority is the best course of action I can take from the standpoint of a person that doesn't have a better, more solid argument. Otherwise, I'd just be disrupting.
Like, I already explained why I think you're town. They told me why you're also likely to be scum. I already said what I had to say, if it doesn't gather any traction and I don't propose an alternative, I can't blame them for ignoring me.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:59 am
by Datisi
But you obviously don't trust the PoE?
Though I just realized something. Hold on.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:02 am
by Maduisha
I am saying that I trust their PoE above my own personal reads in this instance because I can't piece the puzzle together in my mind, I thought that was clear. Trusting others means letting go of your own ego at times.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:04 am
by Datisi
Clidd, the whole shtick about outing the Mason yesterday was so that you don't die coming into today and can Solve the Game, right?
However, in 1823, you said that what you said earlier still applies to me - that if you're wrong about me being scum, that you will argue as much as you can to win lylo tomorrow.
But why are you now assuming you will survive to see lylo?
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:04 am
by Datisi
In post 1846, Maduisha wrote:I am saying that I trust their PoE above my own personal reads in this instance because I can't piece the puzzle together in my mind, I thought that was clear. Trusting others means letting go of your own ego at times.
I guess, yeah. I'm annoyed you're coasting, but I don't think I can in good conscience call that scummy.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:08 am
by clidd
In post 1847, Datisi wrote:Clidd, the whole shtick about outing the Mason yesterday was so that you don't die coming into today and can Solve the Game, right?
However, in 1823, you said that what you said earlier still applies to me - that if you're wrong about me being scum, that you will argue as much as you can to win lylo tomorrow.
But why are you now assuming you will survive to see lylo?
Simple: Maduisha. She is a universal TR among the remaining players. If you are not scum, Scum!Word has the push options clidd/Skitter and Scum!Skitter have the word/clidd options.
