Mini Normal 2148 (Post Game)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Not a whole lot happening huh

[Cat Scratch Fever]

dunnstral why are you barely playing this game

[Cat Scratch Fever]

expresses alarm that the counterwagons of the day all jumped to voting gera in 1549 but then walks it back in 1558.

I feel like this is more than enough reason to just vote HK 50

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why do we think Porkens was bussing his partner Dunn as opposed to finding a lynchbaity town player that had the best chance of being mislynched?

[Green Crayons]

Why do we think Porkens was bussing his partner Dunn as opposed to finding a lynchbaity town player that had the best chance of being mislynched?

Directly in response to that hypo:

Spoiler: Porkens enters the ring

All the players shall ever hear are the whispers of insanity, as insomnia takes hold...

Vote Count 1.14

Porkens (5):

Not_Mafia, Green Crayons, [Malakittens], bob3141, votato

Dunnstral (2):

DoctorPepper, HK 50

Green Crayons (2):

Porkens, farside22

HK 50(2):

Dunnstral, stungun0404

notscience (1):

geraintm

Not voting (1):

notscience

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Mod Notes:

Majority is 7 players.

Day 1 has begun and will end in (expired on 2020-06-24 21:18:29).

HK 50 has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-06-24 05:39:29) to respond before I look for a replacement.

Malakittens is V/LA for (expired on 2020-06-24 00:00:00) and has given their vote to notscience.[/area]

[quote="In post 1021, Porkens"]

Bob, i still scumread bm/clidd/pork. Just couldn't do much while the slot was vacant

Tato be a gem and explain why this slot is so universally scumread pls?

HOKAY!
I skimmed the shit out of the last 17 pages or so, as it’s getting late.

Here’s the deal:

The scumteam lies within geraintm, stungun, dunnstral, bob, and tato.

The push on GC that tato hopped on was literally pure garbage. Reads progression somehow becomes machinations. And despite the fact that GC fairly fought off the push, it keeps recurring. Stun and gerain both defend dunnstral. Bob has a TR on Dunn for some reason (also bob almost never expresses any reads, never commits). Gerain started playing and came in at a key moment, around 623

That being said, I have a real tinfoil hat read on an alternate universe team of DP, GC, and Malkittens.

Other stuff:
Farside, Crayons (ignoring my hat), notsci, and HK all read very town to me. I don’t see a universe where hk is scum.

Notmaf is being very notmaf.

So there you have it, you are welcome, I’m going to bed!


VOTE: dunnstrall

[/spoiler]
looks like Porkens saw that he was on the chopping block, and made a case for a scum buddy to throw off the scent

tbf, I ran across my old posts talking about how Porkens' vote on Dunn looked made up

at the time I thought it was made up because he wanted the town to vote elsewhere to save himself from a town execution

now I'm thinking he was accepting his fate and was trying to throw the scent off from his buddy if Porkens flipped


HRM Hard to know which of those is correct

Spoiler: GC ego posting

HOKAY!
I skimmed the shit out of the last 17 pages or so, as it’s getting late.

Here’s the deal:

The scumteam lies within geraintm, stungun, dunnstral, bob, and tato.

The push on GC that tato hopped on was literally pure garbage. Reads progression somehow becomes machinations. And despite the fact that GC fairly fought off the push, it keeps recurring. Stun and gerain both defend dunnstral. Bob has a TR on Dunn for some reason (also bob almost never expresses any reads, never commits). Gerain started playing and came in at a key moment, around 623

That being said, I have a real tinfoil hat read on an alternate universe team of DP, GC, and Malkittens.

Other stuff:
Farside, Crayons (ignoring my hat), notsci, and HK all read very town to me. I don’t see a universe where hk is scum.

Notmaf is being very notmaf.

So there you have it, you are welcome, I’m going to bed!


VOTE: dunnstrall

HOKAY!
I skimmed the shit out of the last 17 pages or so, as it’s getting late.

Here’s the deal:

The scumteam lies within geraintm, stungun, dunnstral, bob, and tato.

The push on GC that tato hopped on was literally pure garbage. Reads progression somehow becomes machinations. And despite the fact that GC fairly fought off the push, it keeps recurring. Stun and gerain both defend dunnstral. Bob has a TR on Dunn for some reason (also bob almost never expresses any reads, never commits). Gerain started playing and came in at a key moment, around 623

That being said, I have a real tinfoil hat read on an alternate universe team of DP, GC, and Malkittens.

Other stuff:
Farside, Crayons (ignoring my hat), notsci, and HK all read very town to me. I don’t see a universe where hk is scum.

Notmaf is being very notmaf.

So there you have it, you are welcome, I’m going to bed!


VOTE: dunnstrall

And Mala's kinda right. It's time we start settling on a lynch, with 13 hours left in the day, and I don't think this day phase will go anywhere than Porkens, unfortunately.

Thus, VOTE: Porkens

Unless anyone has any reason to think this day phase could possibly lead to another lynch,

There is a 1 ONE vote difference between me and your biggest scumread but “unfortunately” that’s just insurmountable? Also, he says

nothing

about the substance.

VOTE: porkens

Consolidating at this point

Consolidate elsewhere, the idea that there can’t be any other lynch is false. Again, Dunn has 1 less vote than I do.


Lynching Dunn will tell us a lot. There are clear associativas. BM tarnishes this slot so badly what do you learn about anything? Keep me around you won’t regret it.

Did you actually say why Dunn is worth your vote here? I don’t think so.


Also tell me more about these “clear associatives” that would come with a Dunn flip.

Finally home from work and post office.

Thank you for the extra time all. In response to this:

<snip...>

Did you actually say why Dunn is worth your vote here? I don’t think so.


Also tell me more about these “clear associatives” that would come with a Dunn flip.

Dunn’s got a

very

good chance of flipping scum, and everyone has shared reads of him one way or the other, including a small group of defenders. That will tell us a lot.

I have a solid townread on HK and Dunn’s vote there is a safe non-starter, which I think he knows. His vote’s there, but he isn’t doing anything to make it happen, I’m guessing because he doesn’t really want to present an alternative to my mislynch, which seemed pretty certain after clidd ghosted.

Dunn’s commentary in 822 also rubs me the wrong way. He’s casting shade on GC (and tato) without actually challenging him. (I also TR GC. I can understand the scum read on BM, and even though it's wrong I read GC as scum hunting and the votes there really don't make much sense to me.)

Finally, he’s been active lurking and trolling all day.

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I'd be ok lynching votato, but it really won't tell us as much as Dunn.

Okay. I think you're scum.

I commend the pivot to hard reading me as town. I instinctively don't want to lynch someone who does that.

But I don't think this Dunn suspicion is natural. Dunn was tied for the second bw (with me, who also had 2 votes), and I think you decided to try to push and focus on Dunn because he already had some votes and he hasn't nearly been a pain in the ass like I have. I say that because I don't think your suspicions are legitimate.

For starters, you didn't give suspicions originally for your Dunn vote.

And now it comes down:

- to pushing a non-starter wagon on HK--but it's no more of a nonstarter than farside trying to vote GC, as stun is happy with both a HK and GC vote but nobody else is
- picking one post (that conveniently defends me) with an okay theory, but would need some plenty more work to be a banner case
- uses buzzwords "active lurking and trolling," neither of which I think are accurate; he hasn't beetlejuiced and he isn't a troll player


I'm also not convinced that Dunn gives us great associative tells any more than other players who have been the thread's topic of conversation. You're pretty nonspecific on that point, which I admit is generally NAI, but I would think that if this was legitimate point you would have *some* specific examples in mind.

VOTE: Porkens

[/quote]

But also:

Spoiler: BM and Dunn

[quote="In post 189, Battle Mage"]

VOTE: Dunnstral

This looks serious...what's the story here?

In other news, I've decided HK 50 is actually town, and figured out the most likely reason why Green Crayons voted Dunnstral. So that's something!

^^^ I don't see how that makes farside town. It does strengthen Dunn being scum.

I felt the way I felt. I can't help my pings on players.

There should be more votes on Dunn too with your follow up spoilers post.


@NS: Who else are you suspicious of? I see a lot of filler coming from you but nothing stating a scum read. Or even following of anyone.
BM: Hey BM, how are you? Taking some lumps I see......would you mind voting Dunn and we can chat later about if you are scum or town and about play style later?
Thanks!!

Yep yep, usual fare!

I'm not so keen on Dunn
Maybe he's just not scum
Annie did tell me so
and scum is votato



I'm worried about this "play style" chat...are you gonna bash me too?

I don't want you to apologize, I want you to die

This is the only Dunnstral post that really townpings me, although his general tone is definitely one of not giving a crap and being abrasive which is more common in town than scum I think. Should be easy to meta later when I have more time.

I'm not so keen on Dunn
Maybe he's just not scum
Annie did tell me so
and scum is votato



I'm worried about this "play style" chat...are you gonna bash me too?

I don't want you to apologize, I want you to die

This is the only Dunnstral post that really townpings me, although his general tone is definitely one of not giving a crap and being abrasive which is more common in town than scum I think. Should be easy to meta later when I have more time.

does anyone else see a contradiction here?

re: 353 - you're definitely clutching at straws now dude.... there are some good reasons for lazyscum to vote me out there, but that?

re: 353 - you're definitely clutching at straws now dude.... there are some good reasons for lazyscum to vote me out there, but that?

you say "im not keen on the dunn wagon, so im not gonna vote there"
and then "i have no real reason to think dunn is town"

yep, I can help you here:

1. I have 1 reason to think Dunn is town, and 0 reason to think Dunn is scum, therefore I townlean Dunn.
2. There is no 2.

^^^ I don't see how that makes farside town. It does strengthen Dunn being scum.

I felt the way I felt. I can't help my pings on players.

There should be more votes on Dunn too with your follow up spoilers post.


@NS: Who else are you suspicious of? I see a lot of filler coming from you but nothing stating a scum read. Or even following of anyone.
BM: Hey BM, how are you? Taking some lumps I see......would you mind voting Dunn and we can chat later about if you are scum or town and about play style later?
Thanks!!

Yep yep, usual fare!

I'm not so keen on Dunn
Maybe he's just not scum
Annie did tell me so
and scum is votato



I'm worried about this "play style" chat...are you gonna bash me too?

Not a fun that 1 comment = town compared to his now lurking while votato takes pressure.

Your making me a sad puppy right now bm.

I'm sorry

I'll tell you what, if you join me in a righteous Green Crayons lynch today, we can lynch Dunnstral tomorrow. Pinky promise!

[/spoiler]

So I thought that BM's first point where he asks me what my Dunn vote is all about suggested Dunn is town--BM-scum is looking for real reasons to vote Dunn.

But then he changes Dunn to being town.

And then votes votato over the tied bandwagon on Dunn.

And then has this weird way of explaining why Dunn is town.

And then promises farside a Dunn lynch in the future if they could just do a GC lynch.


Not looking good for Dunn.

ALL OF THAT SAID:

I saw battle mage playing similar to this as town.

And I saw Dunnstral playing completely different to this as scum.

Would scum meta each other to defend?


my goodness, maybe. i'm cringing just thinking of that possibility.[/quote]

[maxwell]

can you tell me what about his recent handful of posts you liked better relative to everything else in the game?

Mostly the follow up to his HK 50 push revealed there was more to it than just "not posting during certain times of day"

All right.

expresses alarm that the counterwagons of the day all jumped to voting gera in 1549 but then walks it back in 1558.

I feel like this is more than enough reason to just vote HK 50

I'm totally fine with him as a potential elimination now I think. DoctorPepper's self-defense made no sense and pissed me off but if anything made me feel he's more likely to be town

Why do we think Porkens was bussing his partner Dunn as opposed to finding a lynchbaity town player that had the best chance of being mislynched?

Pure guess-ery, porkens looked likely to go down day 1 and under that assumption he'd be trying to create non-associatives to help his partners. Of course, this is all just a big bag of WIFOM so do with it what you will. Dunnstral also hard defended that slot, the associatives for him aren't really any better. The one point in his favor is that he was the wagon opposing the wagon that put clidd to L-1 & it's somewhat hard to pick out a potential final partner for him from there.

[maxwell]

Do I actually have to go over Dunnstral's interactions with the BM slot like I did for DoctorPepper and HK 50? I skipped out on it because I was pissed off, he isn't playing the game, and it looked like a foregone conclusion but now people are backing down and I feel like if I don't do the work, no one is.

[Malakittens]

I’m ok with voting Hk50

[Dunnstral]

Your also at E-1 so govern yourself accordingly.

And for my next trick, I'll make these votes disappear

[Dunnstral]

Give me reason to think you can't be. Or don't, that's fine too.

(doctorpepper, irritatingly, is probably more likely town after our recent exchange)

The only reason to think I'm scum is wifom from the guy who looked like he was going down

[Green Crayons]

Give me reason to think you can't be. Or don't, that's fine too.

(doctorpepper, irritatingly, is probably more likely town after our recent exchange)

The only reason to think I'm scum is wifom from the guy who looked like he was going down

Well at least you're no longer completely wrong:

Now they're back on me again because my read was wrong, or something to that effect

But you're still halfway wrong. My main suspicion is how BM treated you, not Porkens.

[Green Crayons]

Your also at E-1 so govern yourself accordingly.

And for my next trick, I'll make these votes disappear

*meaningful stare*

*tear*

[Cat Scratch Fever]

So I thought that BM's first point where he asks me what my Dunn vote is all about suggested Dunn is town--BM-scum is looking for real reasons to vote Dunn.

But then he changes Dunn to being town.

And then votes votato over the tied bandwagon on Dunn.

And then has this weird way of explaining why Dunn is town.

And then promises farside a Dunn lynch in the future if they could just do a GC lynch.

Maybe his buddies were already on dunn? or he was pocketing dunn?

I tend to think scum would have more coherent stances on their partners

tbh rereading this bit of BM's ISO, I'm not able to draw any confident conclusions from it

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Your also at E-1 so govern yourself accordingly.

And for my next trick, I'll make these votes disappear

Can this happen sooner rather than later

[Cat Scratch Fever]

yo guys we have 18 hours

@mod can we get a deadline pause as we wait for HK 50 to be replaced?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Currently searching for a replacement of HK 50.

[NoPowerOverMe]

likelyhood of a rage quit?

[maxwell]

We're not supposed to talk about it and it's likely irrelevant to alignment anyway (I hate having to say this). I don't want a hammer without a claim, I wish the day weren't completely stalled otherwise.

[Jake The Wolfie]

DoctorPepper has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-07-08 14:52:02) to respond before I look for a replacement.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Currently searching for a replacement of HK 50.

what about the deadline pause

[Jake The Wolfie]

Currently searching for a replacement of HK 50.

what about the deadline pause

One replacement here has not added 24 hours to the deadline thus far.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Vote Count 2.5

Dunnstral (3):

Green Crayons, DoctorPepper, maxwell

HK 50 (3):

Cat Scratch Fever, bob3141, NoPowerOverMe

votato (2):

Malakittens, Dunnstral

bob3141 (1):

Not_Mafia

Not voting (1):

HK 50

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Mod Notes:

Majority is 6 players.

Day 2 has begun and will end in (expired on 2020-07-08 08:05:34)

Currently searching for a replacement of HK 50.
DoctorPepper has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-07-08 14:52:02) before I search for a replacement.[/area]

[maxwell]

God, didn't realize it was that little time left. Malakittens, Dunnstral and Not_Mafia need to move, those votes are not happening. Either of the two lead wagons needs to be the vote for today.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Dunn

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why Dunn and not HK?