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[T3]

I think we have a better chance of Rae getting as check off if we kill VFP first because VFP could have a way to block Rae's action from going through.

you think there's a higher chance of vfp being a roleblocker than of the mafia killing rae if vfp is eliminated and flips mafia today?

that doesn't seem right to me

I think we have a better chance of winning if we kill VFP today for a variety of percent reasons. I think regardless of what happens we should just kill VFP -> Nero -> Sigmund in that order anyway.

Tbh we basically know that either rae/vfp is scum but probably not both.
Nero Dwlee and Sigmund are left and possibly shiki.
If we lim right in Nero Sigmund and Dwlee then if Rae is real he gets another check.

[shiki]

I think we have a better chance of winning if we kill VFP today for a variety of percent reasons.

i dunno, kinda feels like you do not want a no elimination for nefarious reasons

[shiki]

Tbh we basically know that either rae/vfp is scum but probably not both.
Nero Dwlee and Sigmund are left and possibly shiki.
If we lim right in Nero Sigmund and Dwlee then if Rae is real he gets another check.

like if 90ish% of the time it is

{rae, nero cain, sigmund}

or

vfp + 2 of {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}

which is where we're at if we're discounting the possibility that rae and vfp are aligned and the possibility that the mafia thought not only will we act like masons all game but we will also claim doctors too

so if nero cain is town, mafia would be {vfp, dwlee, sigmund}
for town!sigmund it is {vfp, dwlee, nero cain}
for town!dwlee it is {rae or vfp, nero cain, sigmund}
for town!rae it is vfp + 2 of {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}
for town!vfp it is {rae, nero cain, sigmund}

[Dwlee99]

I think we have a better chance of winning if we kill VFP today for a variety of percent reasons.

i dunno, kinda feels like you do not want a no elimination for nefarious reasons

If VFP is town I'm town. What nefarious purpose do you think I could have for wanting this flip first?

[shiki]

If VFP is town I'm town. What nefarious purpose do you think I could have for wanting this flip first?

???? if vfp is mafia, and we no eliminate, rae checks in {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}, and if there is no roleblocker the game is solved. so the nefarious purpose would be you being vfp's mafia partner and not wanting the game to be solved

[Dwlee99]

If VFP is mafia and we eliminate, Rae checks in {Dwlee, Nero, Sigmund} and if no roleblocker the game is solved?

[shiki]

???? if vfp is mafia, and we no eliminate, rae checks in {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}, and if there is no roleblocker the game is solved. so the nefarious purpose would be you being vfp's mafia partner and not wanting the game to be solved

or, rae is nightkilled, and then we know for sure that vfp is mafia, and work from there, right?

[shiki]

If VFP is mafia and we eliminate, Rae checks in {Dwlee, Nero, Sigmund} and if no roleblocker the game is solved?

explain why rae doesn't get nightkilled in this situation

[Dwlee99]

If VFP is mafia and we eliminate, Rae checks in {Dwlee, Nero, Sigmund} and if no roleblocker the game is solved?

explain why rae doesn't get nightkilled in this situation

Rae could just be night killed in the situation where we know we are eliminating VFP after a no elimination anyway. Then scum get to kill Rae and a mason.

[Dwlee99]

I'm set on throwing VFP out of their aquarium regardless of the night kill

[VFP]

I think that's the part that Dwlee is missing.
Me scum getting the lim is Rae dead 100% as town.

[shiki]

Rae could just be night killed in the situation where we know we are eliminating VFP after a no elimination anyway. Then scum get to kill Rae and a mason.

right but then we know for sure that vfp is mafia

like town doesn't win by any more by keeping an extra town alive, i don't understand

[Nero Cain]

the advantage of no elim seems negligible here but getting an extra red check or green check isn't horrible but like unless rae gets shot we are just right back here.

[Dwlee99]

Rae could just be night killed in the situation where we know we are eliminating VFP after a no elimination anyway. Then scum get to kill Rae and a mason.

right but then we know for sure that vfp is mafia

like town doesn't win by any more by keeping an extra town alive, i don't understand

Er right it is still down to one of three. I would like having a confirmed town in the game personally but I see your point now.

[VFP]

You get told if Rae is claiming roleblocker or not.
If town Rae claims to not be blocked then it shows scum me has inside knowledge at the very least.

[Dwlee99]

Also VFP is literally scumclaiming the past couple of pages.

[T3]

VOTE: nero
VFP survives the day and rae if town gets another check.

[shiki]

Also VFP is literally scumclaiming the past couple of pages.

i definitely do not disagree with this, last post pretty funny to think about though, in a like perspective sort of way

[VFP]

Pointing out others PoV is not scum claiming.

[Dwlee99]

I'm more down for that ^ than a no elimination ftr.

[Dwlee99]

Ugh forgot that up carrot doesn't work when I get a pedit. That's at T3

[shiki]

VOTE: nero
VFP survives the day and rae if town gets another check.

if nero is mafia and rae is town mafia kill rae we kill vfp and then have to decide between sigmund and dwlee

[Nero Cain]

its a good thing we are lynching VFP then

[shiki]

VOTE: nero
VFP survives the day and rae if town gets another check.

if nero is mafia and rae is town mafia kill rae we kill vfp and then have to decide between sigmund and dwlee

i already thought through any number of these in an attempt to avoid having to be in a position where i could be wrong and throw the game =/

[T3]

VOTE: nero
VFP survives the day and rae if town gets another check.

if nero is mafia and rae is town mafia kill rae we kill vfp and then have to decide between sigmund and dwlee

Ah, true.
VOTE: vfp