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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:28 am
by T3
In post 1823, Dwlee99 wrote: In post 1822, shiki wrote: In post 1821, Dwlee99 wrote:I think we have a better chance of Rae getting as check off if we kill VFP first because VFP could have a way to block Rae's action from going through.
you think there's a higher chance of vfp being a roleblocker than of the mafia killing rae if vfp is eliminated and flips mafia today?
that doesn't seem right to me
I think we have a better chance of winning if we kill VFP today for a variety of percent reasons. I think regardless of what happens we should just kill VFP -> Nero -> Sigmund in that order anyway.
Tbh we basically know that either rae/vfp is scum but probably not both.
Nero Dwlee and Sigmund are left and possibly shiki.
If we lim right in Nero Sigmund and Dwlee then if Rae is real he gets another check.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:29 am
by shiki
In post 1823, Dwlee99 wrote:I think we have a better chance of winning if we kill VFP today for a variety of percent reasons.
i dunno, kinda feels like you do not want a no elimination for nefarious reasons
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:31 am
by shiki
In post 1825, T3 wrote:Tbh we basically know that either rae/vfp is scum but probably not both.
Nero Dwlee and Sigmund are left and possibly shiki.
If we lim right in Nero Sigmund and Dwlee then if Rae is real he gets another check.
In post 1799, shiki wrote:like if 90ish% of the time it is
{rae, nero cain, sigmund}
or
vfp + 2 of {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}
which is where we're at if we're discounting the possibility that rae and vfp are aligned and the possibility that the mafia thought not only will we act like masons all game but we will also claim doctors too
so if nero cain is town, mafia would be {vfp, dwlee, sigmund}
for town!sigmund it is {vfp, dwlee, nero cain}
for town!dwlee it is {rae or vfp, nero cain, sigmund}
for town!rae it is vfp + 2 of {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}
for town!vfp it is {rae, nero cain, sigmund}
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:32 am
by Dwlee99
In post 1826, shiki wrote: In post 1823, Dwlee99 wrote:I think we have a better chance of winning if we kill VFP today for a variety of percent reasons.
i dunno, kinda feels like you do not want a no elimination for nefarious reasons
If VFP is town I'm town. What nefarious purpose do you think I could have for wanting this flip first?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:34 am
by shiki
In post 1828, Dwlee99 wrote:If VFP is town I'm town. What nefarious purpose do you think I could have for wanting this flip first?
???? if vfp is mafia, and we no eliminate, rae checks in {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}, and if there is no roleblocker the game is solved. so the nefarious purpose would be you being vfp's mafia partner and not wanting the game to be solved
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:35 am
by Dwlee99
If VFP is mafia and we eliminate, Rae checks in {Dwlee, Nero, Sigmund} and if no roleblocker the game is solved?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:35 am
by shiki
In post 1829, shiki wrote:???? if vfp is mafia, and we no eliminate, rae checks in {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}, and if there is no roleblocker the game is solved. so the nefarious purpose would be you being vfp's mafia partner and not wanting the game to be solved
or, rae is nightkilled, and then we know for sure that vfp is mafia, and work from there, right?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:36 am
by shiki
In post 1830, Dwlee99 wrote:If VFP is mafia and we eliminate, Rae checks in {Dwlee, Nero, Sigmund} and if no roleblocker the game is solved?
explain why rae doesn't get nightkilled in this situation
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:37 am
by Dwlee99
In post 1832, shiki wrote: In post 1830, Dwlee99 wrote:If VFP is mafia and we eliminate, Rae checks in {Dwlee, Nero, Sigmund} and if no roleblocker the game is solved?
explain why rae doesn't get nightkilled in this situation
Rae could just be night killed in the situation where we know we are eliminating VFP after a no elimination anyway. Then scum get to kill Rae and a mason.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 am
by Dwlee99
I'm set on throwing VFP out of their aquarium regardless of the night kill
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:39 am
by VFP
I think that's the part that Dwlee is missing.
Me scum getting the lim is Rae dead 100% as town.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:40 am
by shiki
In post 1833, Dwlee99 wrote:Rae could just be night killed in the situation where we know we are eliminating VFP after a no elimination anyway. Then scum get to kill Rae and a mason.
right but then we know for sure that vfp is mafia
like town doesn't win by any more by keeping an extra town alive, i don't understand
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:40 am
by Nero Cain
the advantage of no elim seems negligible here but getting an extra red check or green check isn't horrible but like unless rae gets shot we are just right back here.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:42 am
by Dwlee99
In post 1836, shiki wrote: In post 1833, Dwlee99 wrote:Rae could just be night killed in the situation where we know we are eliminating VFP after a no elimination anyway. Then scum get to kill Rae and a mason.
right but then we know for sure that vfp is mafia
like town doesn't win by any more by keeping an extra town alive, i don't understand
Er right it is still down to one of three. I would like having a confirmed town in the game personally but I see your point now.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 am
by VFP
You get told if Rae is claiming roleblocker or not.
If town Rae claims to not be blocked then it shows scum me has inside knowledge at the very least.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:44 am
by Dwlee99
Also VFP is literally scumclaiming the past couple of pages.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:45 am
by T3
VOTE: nero
VFP survives the day and rae if town gets another check.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:45 am
by shiki
i definitely do not disagree with this, last post pretty funny to think about though, in a like perspective sort of way
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:45 am
by VFP
Pointing out others PoV is not scum claiming.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:46 am
by Dwlee99
I'm more down for that ^ than a no elimination ftr.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:46 am
by Dwlee99
Ugh forgot that up carrot doesn't work when I get a pedit. That's at T3
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:48 am
by shiki
In post 1841, T3 wrote:VOTE: nero
VFP survives the day and rae if town gets another check.
if nero is mafia and rae is town mafia kill rae we kill vfp and then have to decide between sigmund and dwlee
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:48 am
by Nero Cain
its a good thing we are lynching VFP then
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:49 am
by shiki
In post 1846, shiki wrote: In post 1841, T3 wrote:VOTE: nero
VFP survives the day and rae if town gets another check.
if nero is mafia and rae is town mafia kill rae we kill vfp and then have to decide between sigmund and dwlee
i already thought through any number of these in an attempt to avoid having to be in a position where i could be wrong and throw the game =/
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:53 am
by T3
In post 1846, shiki wrote: In post 1841, T3 wrote:VOTE: nero
VFP survives the day and rae if town gets another check.
if nero is mafia and rae is town mafia kill rae we kill vfp and then have to decide between sigmund and dwlee
Ah, true.
VOTE: vfp