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[MathBlade]

You're staking the game on at least two people being town.

I am only staking the game on me being town.

If NM flips town then I have myself and a conf town and we have an elo where scum have to vote first and I am deadly efficient to proper elo processes.

If NM is scum then flip you and the game isn’t won then I am betting on my ability to read the remaining three.

[MathBlade]

Take Warehouse 13 where I was sure DGB was town. I fought for it the entire time. It didn’t work and then I could go back to my PoE which pretty much was Cakez or Titus and got Cakez. There’s this illusion of “good” doesn’t miselim and having to be right that kinda permeates. It’s about stopping the wrong. If scum have no places to hide we are forced to win. I will sacrifice a VT to get a deep wolf.

Take this from earlier

If you are a VT I give 0 qualms about elimming you if it nets us the last scum or wins the game.

I am cold brutal and efficient Town.

[Salsabil Faria]

By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.

Marci

is saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.

ssbm

still town to me, that left:

Dwlee

Not_Mafia

Math

You can go for in this order tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

[MathBlade]

By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.

Marci

is saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.

ssbm

still town to me, that left:

Dwlee

Not_Mafia

Math

You can go for in this order tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Put your damn vote away. Far as I am concerned if you’re town your play is terrible and if you’re scum you want it. If you wanna help Town case someone if you think Not Mafia should not be the elim.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

[Dwlee99]

I'm not comfortable betting the game on you picking among three people.

[MathBlade]

I'm not comfortable betting the game on you picking among three people.

Then who would you?
Assume we elim one town and one scum?

Who would you bet the game on deciding?

Because in the next two days we are in one of three worlds
We elim two scum we win yay
We elim two town we lose boo
Or we elim one town and one scum

My job is to get us to the point we are most likely to win

So if not me, then who?

Sure as hell won’t be you with two people in the PoE breathing down your neck.

[Dwlee99]

I'd rather be there to help decide

[Dwlee99]

You'll be there too still y'know

[MathBlade]

Not what I asked. Reread it.

I get you’d rather be alive but unless some people change their minds real fast that is antitown.

[Dwlee99]

It's more anti-town to let myself die

[Dwlee99]

Let's assume we get a scum flip from NM, remove me from the PoE, you can pick in those three that day just fine. Because those are still the three that will be there the next day to eliminate too.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town though

[MathBlade]

I'm town though

Then act like it and do something.

I have to work now but I wish I could just nuke everyone not confirmed and all it a day.

[Not_Mafia]

But muuuuuuuuuuuuuuum I don't wanna

[marcistar]

O my God!! Don't tell me it's

ssbm

and

Math

then

Yes, I know I said

I'm happy to loose

before, but lowkey I won't

Ok

Dwlee

, I

think

I can believe you for a short time

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

whats the progression here? "dont tell me its ssbm and math" but then switched ur vote onto me?

Restated, I've said I think one of them in town. In fact, my gut tells me you're a deepwolf and that neither of them are evil. I want a NM flip though.

have u been pushing for a not_mafia elim..? i dont remember seeing it

I think NM > Salsa > Kyo wins right now (assuming NM flips scum)

whyd u not include me at all?

lowkey salsabil self voting makes me think she might be town now hmm
if shes town, not_mafias just taking advantage of the situation.

- -

my problem with a dwlee elim rn: i feel like if they were scum they could've easily been the hammer for drippinggoofballs wagon to get themselves town cred,
but not wanting to vote drippinggoofball makes them seem a bit uninformed

is this a stupid idea?

[MathBlade]

But muuuuuuuuuuuuuuum I don't wanna

First off I am a guy.

Second off you’re really not making a case you’re town here.

[MathBlade]

The hammer on DGB never got town cred >> Owo was in the PoE
Not wanting to vote them can be spun either way.

Salsa self voting I am kinda ignoring because it’s antitown if she is towb and if she is scum she wants her elim.

[Dwlee99]

Restated, I've said I think one of them in town. In fact, my gut tells me you're a deepwolf and that neither of them are evil. I want a NM flip though.

have u been pushing for a not_mafia elim..? i dont remember seeing it

Maybe not pushing per se but I've had him at the bottom of my reads for a while.

I think NM > Salsa > Kyo wins right now (assuming NM flips scum)

whyd u not include me at all?

We don't get that many eliminations cause Titus killed the blue cow.

[MathBlade]

I know there’s a lot of words and stuff I am supposed to read since work just ended I am just not feeling it.

I think we should do NM today since he’s not playing. If y’all feel more confident in a read do it. I just don’t.

VOTE: Not Mafia

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not_Mafia (3): MathBlade, geraintm, Dwlee99
  Salsabil Faria (2): Salsabil Faria, Not_Mafia
  Dwlee99 (1): ssbm_Kyouko

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Personally I think Marci fits the VCA a lot better.

It explains why the wagon stalled. Marci had a lag vote on DGB she planned to move then boom Kyo wagons DGB out of no where and she can’t move it.

Then the rest of us hurry on with the flash wagon and her partner can’t move.

It’s possible that Marci is town and Kyo is a deep wolf but I think it’s more likely Marci here.

VOTE: Marci

Kyo/you/omo but omo is dead now.

VOTE: Unvote

Damn couple things missing here for sure.

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

Wait, I forget about

Not_Mafia

....

Dwlee

's green flip will show the scumteam of

Marci

&

Not_Mafia

.
I'm more sure about

Marci

now than

Dwlee

(want to consider

Omo

's read here), so I'm switching my vote...

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

Salsa > Marci > Kyo (except Kyo gives me the deepwolg heebie jeebies)

Ok,

Dwlee

is scum! Partner is either

Marci

or

Not_Mafia

.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Dwlee

Final vote of today!

I'll edit the votes since last votecount when I'm not on mobile.

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VOTE: NM

VOTE: Unvote

I don’t like Dwlee’s naked hop on after having had plenty of time to do a VC or react to cases.

I just can’t tell if this is lazy Dwlee or scum Dwlee. I probably will be busy most of today but will read as I can.

If there is a vigilante or any town killing role I put the odds that "babysitter" is scum north of 80%, regardless of Titus' scummy day play.

VOTE: dwlee

Dwlee/N_M last 2 scum

Ok

Dwlee

, I

think

I can believe you for a short time

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.

Marci

is saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.

ssbm

still town to me, that left:

Dwlee

Not_Mafia

Math

You can go for in this order tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

I know there’s a lot of words and stuff I am supposed to read since work just ended I am just not feeling it.

I think we should do NM today since he’s not playing. If y’all feel more confident in a read do it. I just don’t.

VOTE: Not Mafia

[ManateeDude]

catching up now

[ManateeDude]

ok im going to preface this with saying i do not believe there is any reality where kyo flips wolf here. im not going to entertain any theories involving flipping her and i really do not see how kyos positioning at EoD ever is scum alongside Goofball. feel free to argue but this is something i'll remain firm on.

dwlee im actually coming around on?? i think they didnt respond awfully to kyos push which is ++town in my book

i'll tentatively trust kyo w her salsa stance just bc im struggling w reading her

marci is an anomaly to me. reminder to go back and read her iso

N_M once again digs himself into a deeper hole and i dont think hes a great elim,, my worry would be keeping him around is worse

i feel like im missing smth in general which is just. guh demoralizing i want to be able to give a strong read but im pretty cluttered in my head

[ManateeDude]

i wanted to make sure i said smth before tomorrow but if kyo or geraint r around then i'd love for someone to pick my brain

[Dwlee99]

ok im going to preface this with saying i do not believe there is any reality where kyo flips wolf here. im not going to entertain any theories involving flipping her and i really do not see how kyos positioning at EoD ever is scum alongside Goofball. feel free to argue but this is something i'll remain firm on.

I agree that today she shouldn't be the flip, but I feel like the hard bus day one thing is totally possible and if NM flips scum, her push on me looks really bad. Look into her case against me as if NM was confirmed scum and tell me what you think.