In post 1815, ulyana wrote:why?? like why would morning tweet reveal the second event to the mafias beforehand?
not sure, it's possible she did so that scum could plan around it a little bit
that would be the knowing it was not an elimination or even that it was potentially beneficial i assume
why are you assuming these things
because giving the information about the second event during the first doesn’t make sense when you then have to give it again to say would you like to sabotage this event? here’s what would happen et cetera
I would think they would give the sabotage information at the same time
regardless i don't think we can rule out this possibility and speculating on it isn't super helpful
so you think the mafia had the information about sabotaging the second event during the first event?
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:14 am
by Taly
VOTE: Spare
Ask my input on anything,
Gamma
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:16 am
by Infinity 324
@shiki i think it's possible yes
UNVOTE: Spare i don't know how to do this but i don't want to end the day yet
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:16 am
by Dwlee99
The second event was really just a continuation of the first one. What do you think sabotaging the first event would have done? Skip the vote? I don't think that makes sense
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:17 am
by Morning Tweet
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:19 am
by ulyana
In post 1828, Dwlee99 wrote:The second event was really just a continuation of the first one. What do you think sabotaging the first event would have done? Skip the vote? I don't think that makes sense
all of the events are continuations of game, yes
i dunno what sabotaging the first would have done beyond probably worded in a way that mafia would almost definitely not want to
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:20 am
by petapan
i read bits of radio buzz (it's why i signed up for this) and scum knew well in advance what was going to happen that game so knowing the twist to the first event is not at all unreasonable
In post 1821, Gamma Emerald wrote:my thinking the entire time has been scum knew it was a kingmaker vote, with strong belief they also knew about the vote to execute or spare the executioner afterwards. I don't believe they knew about the reward for sparing a town executioner, but I do think they know what the reward is now.
so you thought this and didn’t think OH!!!!!! when they killed pooky????
I don't think they had sabo info for the second event for the first event, I think each sabo only applies to what's going on at the time
the first event sabo was probably some way to deny someone the chair, whether it be by killing them or just veto'ing the vote.
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:25 am
by ulyana
In post 1832, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't think they had sabo info for the second event for the first event, I think each sabo only applies to what's going on at the time
the first event sabo was probably some way to deny someone the chair, whether it be by killing them or just veto'ing the vote.
right but you said you think the mafia knew it was a kingmaker yes? and then when pooky was killed, this would be obvious explanation to you, yes? because pooky speculated at length about exactly this? but then this did not factor into any of your further thought with regards to who to choose???
Um, okay, I did have some general things I wanted input on but I mostly was trying to make sense of my middling reads with the targeted questioning.
I don't think the idea I had about amogus mafia being a factor in the Pooky kill was right, but what do you make of it? I feel like you were the most widely and strongly TR player, so it can't be solely for that imo.
In post 1832, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't think they had sabo info for the second event for the first event, I think each sabo only applies to what's going on at the time
the first event sabo was probably some way to deny someone the chair, whether it be by killing them or just veto'ing the vote.
right but you said you think the mafia knew it was a kingmaker yes? and then when pooky was killed, this would be obvious explanation to you, yes? because pooky speculated at length about exactly this? but then this did not factor into any of your further thought with regards to who to choose???
I think killing someone for having an accurate guess as to one event would be premature. And like, Pooky only guessed at the kingmaker, not the "mercy or genocide" (I'm calling it that because honestly that feels more right than "execute or spare") vote afterward.
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:32 am
by ulyana
In post 1838, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think killing someone for having an accurate guess as to one event would be premature. And like, Pooky only guessed at the kingmaker, not the "mercy or genocide" (I'm calling it that because honestly that feels more right than "execute or spare") vote afterward.
??? you think scum!pooky would have possibly accurately guessed the event in that situation? like you did not think of that as clearing when thinking about who to vote before pooky was killed?
because scumbags know if this thing is good or not.
if it's good, scumbags will want it.
if it's bad, scumbags won't want it.
So if we give it to someone who wants it, it's more likely we give it to a scumbag if it's good, and a non-scumbag if it's bad.
Yeah it seems like Pooky is on my wavelength that I expressed in response to 126 about how scum would’ve approached this.
Also I think I can pinpoint the page this post was on as where everything went to shit for me.
Actually, I did post this, ulyana may have a point that between his idea about kingmaker being right and his thoughts lining up with mine, that's what made him scum's target.
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:36 am
by Taly
In post 1767, Gamma Emerald wrote:I tried to be clear about who I wasn't shooting because I wanted to discuss. Which, since I'm not on mute rn, now is a great time to do so I'd say. I'll fetch a quick list of names of people I want to have pointed discussions with.
Also, Akarin was killed in amogus for being active and TRed. Aside from me, Pooky was the most active player, and even aside from the fact I was the one in the seat, I wasn't really that widely TRed at the time that call was made. Aside from that no one came really within striking distance of my post count.
I can see 2 possibilities-
1. I could have shit reads. Scum are not very threatened by my voice at the moment.
2. Pooky was the first townie (assuming he is) to accurately predict the kingmakwe utility and the scum hated that. It makes sense why scum would rear so harshly on the side of surmising the chair is a negative thing, then. Perhaps they had no plans to sabotage at all D1.
3. They wanted an unlikely kill to prevent town from catching anyone in particular.
It could be multiple or all factors.
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:38 am
by ulyana
In post 1841, Taly wrote:2. Pooky was the first townie (assuming he is) to accurately predict the kingmakwe utility and the scum hated that.
so you also did not think, OH! pooky!town when reading the second event??
In post 1841, Taly wrote:2. Pooky was the first townie (assuming he is) to accurately predict the kingmakwe utility and the scum hated that.
so you also did not think, OH! pooky!town when reading the second event??
I think he is very likely town. But I'll let the flip say.
It would definitely be a bizarre gambit for scum to kill their own, but not impossible; theoretically.
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:41 am
by Infinity 324
In post 1844, petapan wrote:i don't think pooky was killed because of mech spec lol
although he is shockingly good at guessing the twists in these roller coaster ride games
he was killed because he was highly motivated and obvious town who is capable of dominating a thread and often has good reads
it's an obvious and boring answer and i don't know that there's a lot of insight to be gleaned from it
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:41 am
by Taly
In post 1844, petapan wrote:i don't think pooky was killed because of mech spec lol
although he is shockingly good at guessing the twists in these roller coaster ride games
he was killed because he was highly motivated and obvious town who is capable of dominating a thread and often has good reads
it's an obvious and boring answer and i don't know that there's a lot of insight to be gleaned from it
Pooky did have great thread influence this game.
He wanted event one to end before page 70, and it did.
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:43 am
by Gamma Emerald
Okay now I get what ulya is asking
On some level I probably cogitated that Pooky was town for his speculations, but I was kinda in a rush to make sure I made a well-informed execution. I doubt it would have changed much anyway. Scum probably had been keeping tabs on him from the beginning.
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:43 am
by petapan
maybe pooky is the ultimate bad guy and faked his own death so he can come back and surprise us in the twist ending finale
