In post 1824, Tanner wrote:did anyone else notice how weird luke and toog/rh9 relations are this game? like, luke started off townreading toog and straight up inviting him to the keep which he obviously refused if he's scum.
I made a post about it, yeah. Seems slightly negative associative, but could be theater.
Rh9's reads list is definitely weird. That's why I was asking for his scum games earlier...but there is no meta there to look at.
In post 1205, RH9 wrote:I think that you forgot that Lukewarm desperately wanted to win and swapped you and Pavowski in order to fulfil his desire. Remember 125. Lukewarm was hellbent on winning Keep and scum!Lukewarm would have saw you as a threat.
What does this even mean?
How does swapping Pav and implo "help me fulfil my desire?"
You seem to be talking to Implo like he is town, so from your pov that means we were at :
Scum!luke, Ari, Implo at the Keep and scum!numberQ, toog, pav at the Wall.
Why not swap toog over pav? In popcorn Toog had me as his top town read and pav read me as scum? And pav acts paranoid of me in every game since my scum newbie game. And then Pav would have been the miselim bait at the wall
This feels like you started with the idea that you were going to call me scum, and went with it.
like, look at this. this almost feels like. like rh9 dropped into this game, read the scum pt, saw some stuff about having to distance from buddies or whatever. so he painted luke to be scummy. but then he also wrote about how luke really wanted to win the keep. and like, considering the histories of luke and pav, i can kinda imagine the conversation in the scum pt where luke is like "ay yo let's swap pav into the keep because not only is his slot garbage, he's my friend and i get to fool him and win the keep" like
and the fact that rh9 mentioned something like that makes me wonder if this was a tmi slip from reading the scum pt
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:07 am
by Tanner
and 1813 kinda feels like "look at me i am town because this flipped scum was calling me scum"
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:27 am
by Tanner
In post 1823, Tanner wrote:maybe he thought somebody else's scumflip would have tanked his odds of winning the keep.
actually not sure if this makes sense... baltar has been screaming to resolve the gate for like 5 years now, i don't think it would make sense for luke to hurry *then* if baltar's scumflip would have made him look bad, or at least would have made aristeia look good which is also a problem
imaginality's scumflip would have potentially been a hindrance, i guess?
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:34 am
by Tanner
thinking about it more - baltar and rh9 are the two people who have used the argument of "luke was talking shit about me" in 1750 and 1813 respectively. and that would make sense why luke committed sudoku right after he got some distancy-theatre in with rh9, as he already had some in with baltar. and even if gate flipped first, it was becoming increasingly obvious ari isn't paired with either of the possible scumfucks at the gate...
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:00 am
by VP Baltar
Are you comparing how Luke talked to me vs how he talked to imaginality? I don't think the theater comparison is even close.
In post 539, imaginality wrote:Why did you shift from your 2-1-0 view to your 1-1-1 view?
My original assumption was it was all town at your location. The fact that no one shifted from there LEDs me to the more likely scenario of 1/1/1
you thought all three of imaginality, baltar, and tanner were town?
This also seems like an unlikely post if this is the team. What is the likelihood that scumLuke sees scumImaginality questioning scum!Toog and decides to jump in on it rather than let scumImaginality do his thing?
Again, feels like a negative associative for RH9 here.
If you do somehow manage to fuck up the gate, this post from me is probably key for the wall when you see my green flip.
In post 1832, VP Baltar wrote:If you do somehow manage to fuck up the gate, this post from me is probably key for the wall when you see my green flip.
oh i'll manage to fuck it up don't worry
also this doesn't seem *that* clearing to me? like it seems like -partner yeah, but scum sometimes do be wildin' and i wouldn't bet the game just on this one post
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:22 am
by VP Baltar
In post 1835, Tanner wrote:also this doesn't seem *that* clearing to me? like it seems like -partner yeah, but scum sometimes do be wildin' and i wouldn't bet the game just on this one post
Idk if I've seen three scum rolling in the mud like that together. It'd be weird. Definitely not game betting, but worth considering.
I strongly think Luke's actions shouldn't be read into as strongly as they are now, for a few reasons. One is that I know at least half of imaginality's theory is wrong since I'm town. More generally, people make mistakes. Us venerating Luke and being like "he's a good player he wouldn't have done this" like, that's like the argument that "good people can't do bad things". It's reductive. He perfectly well could have made a mistake. Maybe he voted and was going to unvote literal seconds later and got p-edited by ari.
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:23 am
by Tanner
in a normal game, maybe. in this clusterfuck where associates are key and where scumfuck luke decided he was flipping first? idk
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:24 am
by implosion
He might not have "decided" he was flipping first. That's my point.
we posted that at the same second and i did not get p'edited but yes i see your point
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:25 am
by implosion
Like I personally think it's kind of far-fetched that Luke-scum in this situation would tank the Keep like that even if he thought it'd help some in the other locations. Keep was clearly gonna be resolved first one way or another, right?
I
strongly
do not buy imaginality's argument of "he needed to do it before ari solved the whole game". Even if ari solved the game it's not like people would magically listen to her. That just is not how mafia works.
i was rereading an old notes thread yesterday where i said "i think vp is town because SURELY scum!him doesn't consciously put his foot in his mouth this hard" and i was correct about that in that game; now i'm rereading his iso (but backwards) and i find these posts and i'm like hmm
In post 1578, Lukewarm wrote:Okay. Hear me out. I think that Ari is actually trolling on being scum. 1567 and 1569 give those vibes. Maybe we are okay?
In post 1838, implosion wrote:I strongly think Luke's actions shouldn't be read into as strongly as they are now, for a few reasons. One is that I know at least half of imaginality's theory is wrong since I'm town. More generally, people make mistakes. Us venerating Luke and being like "he's a good player he wouldn't have done this" like, that's like the argument that "good people can't do bad things". It's reductive. He perfectly well could have made a mistake. Maybe he voted and was going to unvote literal seconds later and got p-edited by ari.
But if we're both Town and imaginality's theory is wrong, should we trust Baltar's? I'm going to take a dive and do a reaction-vote with the hope that you are telling the truth on being Town. Also, because I think that you have provided more content than numberQ that can make me feel more confident. VOTE: numberQ
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:30 am
by Tanner
like, not only does he go "actually fuck you ari you scum" then he also goes "ACTUALLY this is scum!luke that fucked up and voted a townie" like bruh