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Not claiming, sorry.

First it's no claim, then it's a vig claim that gets CC'd, now it's no claim again?

I'll try really hard to think what possiblr town motivation LUV could have for this, because this seems almost too obvious to be scum.

But if LUV has a scummy wonder, he might just have gotten fucked by yesterday's massclaim/planning and now he's trying to double down on it to elicit the "too scummy to be scum" reaction.

If I claimed vig already, why would I restate?

If you were the vig, why retract the claim?

I didn't retract anything, I said I'm not claiming.

You're taking me being difficult with Vecna as retracting.

No point in continuing now since people just ruin things. I fake claimed in order to hopefully sort everyone on the Nero.

I attempted to build a Wonder (will not say which) last night and was told very shortly that I failed. I believe I was blocked.

In post 17939, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Don't need to because I can just shoot you right now lol

In post 18021, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Lol I got my Wonder what the fuck

In post 18029, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah but I'm the real vig.

In post 18037, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:However, it is interesting you are very accepting of RC's counterclaim.

In post 18047, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:RC fake claiming is NAI. Why are you being so obtuse?

In post 18048, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:There is a reason why I didn't acknowledge it.

If you'd stopped at the initial post I could've bought it as trolling, but you spend a good time claiming that you're the real vig and pretending that RC is lying.

P-edit: Hmm.

That story checks out, and it confirms that scum have forbidden Palace if LUV is telling the truth.

LUV had max priority and would've been blocked over RC, so scum most likely wanted to get the strongman vig (ad RC is the one who had claimed to go for the vig, whereas LUV might have gone fir another wonder instead). So if LUV is town, scum is either someone eho has equal prio with RC, or Rc himself.

Alisae, ThinkBig, MathBlade, RadiantCowbells, NoticeMeSenpai
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Lil Uzi Vert

Leonshade, Gorkington, Creature, Caesar Wills It

So me and RC had both strongly hinted that we were going after Ruhr Valley yesterday and it was generally accepted that Nero would be the lynch. If we look at the claims chart Math made, the scum team either is maxed out or wanted me to believe that I would be the player with the highest player going into Night 5. Due to the lack of multiple kills and the mods breakdown of how priority works, I'm going to assume the former.

So I'm feeling good after I submit for Ruhr thinking there is no way I miss out on it and the likelihood of me getting blocked seemed very slim. I was on 4/5 mislynches and the scum reads I had (ABR, Sondam, and Kid/Yuri) turned out to be majorly wrong. I've also been scum read by the wrong people which just ended up contributing to the overall lack of the will to reread. I had no credibility and was on the wrong track. I should've gotten Ruhr last night unless mod is bastard but I don't think they are. Which begs the question, if RC isn't fake claiming, why would a majority of the proposed scum team who knows what he is capable of, give him a better chance of building the Wonder? Why put so much on emphasis on me? Simple! Scum felt I knew too much based on the theories that I threw out yesterday.

So I've concluded that either one of Alisae, RC, or Notice is scum. However it could be Vecna. I knew he was keeping track of things and strategizing before he posted his Google spreadsheet. He loves doing that stuff and it is how we destroyed town in PyP. If he's scum, he took Forbidden Palace as sort of a pseudo role blocking like role in case I ever publicly announce when I was building a Wonder and deduced that I was telling the truth yesterday. This is one of the reasons why I thought about Vecna as a Big Ben target. It also is why I reacted to Math throwing out what I suspected.

If you're town, you have have to wonder RC's motivation for counterclaiming here. If PV isn't scum, we're in MYLO. He has the crowd backing and knows he could possibly swing a lynch in my favor without even using the Wonder. He could also have had one of his partners took Bolshoi Theater and have loverized me.

Now if we look at who I was proposing as the scum team yesterday, there is only really two people with motivation to block me. Caesar and Leon.

Cloud had gone through some hoops to discredit me by misremembering past games in order to try to prove to whoever his meta read on me. He had also subbed out before I had claimed to submit. Comn's entrance was fairly town and the only way he could've blocked me was if the rest of his partners caught up quickly. However, even that theory doesn't really check out considering the skill level of the proposed scum team.

Gork has no reason to block me as scum because I've gone on record hard town reading Vecna and saying that I trust his read on him. He would also be more concerned with Math or nancy based on interactions in my opinion.

Now if you're crazy like Math and still think I'm scum, riddle me this. Why has no one attempted to seriously hard defend me other than Vecna? The only people who've been strongly town reading me have been Creature, Notice, and Vecna. If I was scum, wouldn't I have had more defenders come to my aid as well as more resistance?

Vecna hasn't even really been defending me. Just constantly siting his experience with me as the basis of his strong town read.

This should tell you that I'm not part of a scum team who is avoiding bussing each other but that I'm town who is as ABR calls it, in the process of being endgamed.

In post 18314, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Now if we look at who I was proposing as the scum team yesterday, there is only really two people with motivation to block me. Caesar and Leon.

Cloud had gone through some hoops to discredit me by misremembering past games in order to try to prove to whoever his meta read on me. He had also subbed out before I had claimed to submit. Comn's entrance was fairly town and the only way he could've blocked me was if the rest of his partners caught him up quickly. However, even that theory doesn't really check out considering the skill level of the proposed scum team.

Gork has no reason to block me as scum because I've gone on record hard town reading Vecna and saying that I trust his read on him. He would also be more concerned with Math or nancy based on interactions in my opinion.

EBWOP.

So you see, the question shouldn't be in regards to Resolutions that benefit scum more than town, it should be about who on the scum team felt letting RC potentially grab Ruhr was worth the risk?

Just work with me here for a second Math.

{Alisae, Ceasar, Cloud, Gork, Leon, Notice, and Vecna}

Who do you think would have the most motivation to block me and why?

Now if your answer to all this is WIFOM, that is a lazy and poor excuse. If your answer is that I needed to draw out a claim, consider that you also have me as scum as Vecna. There would be no reason for me to try to draw out the real vigilante because I would've already deduced it if we were on the same team.

The more interesting question is; why do both you and gorkington claim youre blocked, and which of the two is lying.

Like, seeing how both of you claim to have been targetted by the forbidden palace......

My earlier scumteam is impossible, since theres guaranteed scum in LUV/Gorkington.

So that means that its highly likely that there is in fact now a Zimbabwe in play, AND a leaning tower on the scumteam.

I still dont get it LUV - why do you keep stating RC is "counterclaiming" if you were blocked and didnt get the vig.

People need to stop being so vague so we can figure out what exactly happened.

You wanted to take the vig, but what happened?

Be complete and concrete please LUV.

If nancy is actually town im so disappointed I didnt get invited into the Zimbabwian thing. That alone makes me want to lynch the slot.

But not as much as RC ofcourse.