Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[Near]

Fuck it

I'm going to vote Rach. Any objections?

[Bitmap]

Fuck it

I'm going to vote Rach. Any objections?

Rach can go tomorrow. Today, Kondi dies.

[Psyche]

Bitmap, what are your non-OMGUS reasons (in your on words )for voting kondi?

[Bitmap]

Bitmap, what are your non-OMGUS reasons (in your on words )for voting kondi?

Pretty much based on Uber's play.

[Psyche]

Okay. Elaboration?

[BK201]

A Doctor mislynch is not an autoloss. One of the other Doctors can get a protection, and if there's a liar in the Docs, the SK can still kill a Mafioso.

Way to mislead. Any mislynch today is basically an auto-loss.

[BK201]

Check it out, no quick-lynch.

Either Kondi is scum or at least 2 of Bitmap, RBD, and myself are scum.

[kondi2424]

A Doctor mislynch is not an autoloss. One of the other Doctors can get a protection, and if there's a liar in the Docs, the SK can still kill a Mafioso.

Way to mislead. Any mislynch today is basically an auto-loss.

There are Doctors. Doctors can save people. There may be an SK. SKs can kill scum. You call this misleading?

This was also based on RD saying that a Doctor lynch was an autoloss while a VT lynch wasn't. Is she not misleading for saying a VT lynch isn't an autoloss?

[Rainbowdash]

Stop trying to play dense, you are not this dense.

You agree with the assessment that a doctor is lying, if we lynch one of the real doctors there is one left, SK has to hit mafia and scum can just kill whoever they feel like (probably last doctor) to end up with a next day if there is one of 2 mafia, SK, 2 VTs, which then progresses into a prisoners dilema best case scenario.

If we mislynch VT there at least is two protections floating around on top of the SK trying to hit scum. Chances are still bad but there is a better chance to have the lucky break we really need at this point to actually occur. We hit VT there are SOME chances even though its going to require two crosskills. We hit doctor best we can hope for is SK took strongman (not likely given one kill a night) and there is a game ending PD crosskill.

This one is almost for sure already out of our hooves and whoever lives longest decides which of scum and SK get the win, but if we hit mafia today we still have that little glimmer of hope that doctors come through. If we hit VT today that fades, but still is there. We hit a doctor and we just snuffed out that hope.

But really, the insurmountable proof that you are scum from this is you are 100% willing to say there is a SK. I dont get this, even if you think it, the fact that are voting like you are, on something that you cannot prove WITHOUT being scum, is why you are scum. Yes, I am betting a SK exists - but VOTE as if that feeling is true? No. If you are wrong about there being a SK and lynch a doctor, well thats the game right there.

Base the entire game on a hunch of what MIGHT be in the setup? Town doesnt do that when they have other scum reads. Thats why you are scum. Thats why Trevor is scum. Thats why ive caught you and am rapidly putting this puzzle together.

@Near - We are not lynching the lynchbait today because its impossible to tell what she is. Her lurking is an absolute null tell. Kondi is voting as if they are 100% certain there is a SK, which only can occur if they are scum. Town doesnt make a vote that if a setup speculation is wrong they instantly lose. Scum who forgets that what town woudl think makes that vote though.

[BK201]

A Doctor mislynch is not an autoloss. One of the other Doctors can get a protection, and if there's a liar in the Docs, the SK can still kill a Mafioso.

Way to mislead. Any mislynch today is basically an auto-loss.

There are Doctors. Doctors can save people. There may be an SK. SKs can kill scum. You call this misleading?

This was also based on RD saying that a Doctor lynch was an autoloss while a VT lynch wasn't. Is she not misleading for saying a VT lynch isn't an autoloss?

No, there is hardly any chance a NK will be prevented. Scum have RB, Strongman, and Bus-drive to fuck with doc protection. I'm assuming they still have one.

[BK201]

Not to mention they actually have to protect the right person to begin with.

[RachMarie]

Actually I was napping seems that I was pretty worn out after the family reunion on Sunday and was sleeping a LOT today.

@ Kondi How is it an autoloss? Town still outnumbers the scum by a LOT. Of course, I would rather nail scum or at the very least the SK that is somewhere out there on the loose... I have to say though it IS a good try at turning things around from Uber's play. I do want to take a good look at your ISO and his together because I still believe your slot is scummy. I have played in a LOT of games with Uber and there is something gut wise that is making feel it is scum and I want to really focus on comparing yours and his ISOs to nail it down.


I am not as sure about the case on Dashie. He has been super active in scum hunting and helping us get a handle on the setup of this game. Toiwnies are not always right about who they lynch after all.

@Bit, Gunny, and Near: I find it very difficult to believe ALL 3 of your doc claims, it seems like it would make the game VERY unbalanced for scum? Especially with a JK, a tracker, and probably an SK. (I realize that an SK is also scummy but they are just as likely to shoot the maf as well as the town players.) Bit has been tunneling me a lot and Near is well Near and Gunny is Gunny. For now I would not feel comfortable with lynching any of them til we can figure out which one is not really a doc. I do not want us to lose our real docs.

BK you have been tunneling a lot. Do you have any specific town reads you feel fairly confident about? And who would you pursue if I come up VT like I claimed? I think you are going after an easy lynch and a bit of confirmation bias since you have been in games with me where I was scum. Same with Gunny too he almost always assumes I am scum in every game. Obviously I am not scum in all my games that is statistically impossible.

I am sorry for not being as active. Things have been pretty hairy for me lately. It is getting better though and this Friday I meet with the sleep doc so hopefully we can find out what can be done to fix my sleep apnea.




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How can you be so sure they have all of those left BK? Do you think the one who said he protected McStab was lying? or do you think there is an SK and the SK was a strongman SK? Since we have 3 Doc claims that seems much more likely if they are all Docs for true, and they all 3 pick different people to protect, then our odds of them stopping the NK or NKs if there is an SK are pretty good I think.

[Psyche]

Rach, what do you think about the kondi wagon?

[Psyche]

Tell me you're still here. >.<

[Rainbowdash]

Okay I would put RM over BK as last scum from that post. Really dont think BK can be anything but SK at this point and if he is I would rather give him the win as SK than mafia the win /pandering to SK.

[BK201]

BK you have been tunneling a lot. Do you have any specific town reads you feel fairly confident about? And who would you pursue if I come up VT like I claimed? I think you are going after an easy lynch and a bit of confirmation bias since you have been in games with me where I was scum. Same with Gunny too he almost always assumes I am scum in every game. Obviously I am not scum in all my games that is statistically impossible.

Town reads: Trevor(Drm), Near, RBD. Bitmap is either SK or town. You're scum.

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How can you be so sure they have all of those left BK? Do you think the one who said he protected McStab was lying? or do you think there is an SK and the SK was a strongman SK? Since we have 3 Doc claims that seems much more likely if they are all Docs for true, and they all 3 pick different people to protect, then our odds of them stopping the NK or NKs if there is an SK are pretty good I think.

Strongman or 1-shot bus-drive was used Night 1 whether or not Bitmap really did protect McStab.
tl:dr - Scum would have used one of those to for sure get rid of the Role Cop. He was basically a Cop and even one result could confirm town PR or find scum PR hiding in VT pool.

Night 2 I see no reason not to use whatever remained from 1-shot and strongman since their target was the confirmed town JK. Again, even if Bitmap is not a doc, he is SK and scum would have no way to know that. So I'm assuming Roleblock or one of the other two is still available.

Any other thoughts on the game, Rach?

[BK201]

Okay I would put RM over BK as last scum from that post. Really dont think BK can be anything but SK at this point and if he is I would rather give him the win as SK than mafia the win /pandering to SK.

If I was the SK I would have just killed from the VT pool which would have probably gotten Bit lynched. Just saying.

[Psyche]

RACH??

[Bitmap]

Okay. Elaboration?

Well, you're scum. It's kind of simple. Also the reason why no one else would get quick hammered is because Rach has been inactive and she's scum.

Everything BK201 said is correct in my eyes.

[Psyche]

Okay. Elaboration?

Well, you're scum. It's kind of simple. Also the reason why no one else would get quick hammered is because Rach has been inactive and she's scum.

Everything BK201 said is correct in my eyes.

I'm not scum.

Now I need you to elaborate on both why Umbrage's play was scummy and why my play is scummy.

[BK201]

Seriously Rach posted and Psyche posted. Kondi is scum.

[Psyche]

Everyone's posted now.

So now BK's assertion can be taken seriously.

But is it Kondi's who's scum or two of his wagoners?

[BK201]

Okay. Elaboration?

Well, you're scum. It's kind of simple. Also the reason why no one else would get quick hammered is because Rach has been inactive and she's scum.

Everything BK201 said is correct in my eyes.

I'm not scum.

Now I need you to elaborate on both why Umbrage's play was scummy and why my play is scummy.

DLG and yourself have been on my backburner probably all game, I have not thought your slot was town even once, the only thing your slot has going is it didn't make the NK on night 1. A large part is PoE though.

[Psyche]

Rach's attitude toward kondi in her last post (no attitude?!!!) and her wording ("And who would you pursue if I come up VT like I claimed?") suggests that she is scum who doesn't want to lynch kondi.

Kondi's a safe scumlynch either way.

vote kondi

And Rach tomorrow. I'm still thinking about the implications of that post for a third scumbud...

@BK: Are you Bitmap?

[Psyche]

unvote

Egh...I'm rushing because of that possible cutoff on the 15th. Must focus!