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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:38 am
by Thor665
Like, your play was scummier, and I said as much...but it literally made no sense for you to be scum with the info available. This frustrates me.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:39 am
by Thor665
↑ Ansuz wrote: ↑ Thor665 wrote:So you did have a redirect power then? That an ability cop couldn't detect?
Because otherwise I hate the players.
Yes and I guess so? We probably showed as killing because she didn't investigate us until we were the last one remaining
@Ffrey - hate you.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:39 am
by Thor665
It wasn't OP-ed until you were also investigation immune.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:39 am
by Thor665
Well "half" investigation immune.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:40 am
by LynxKuroneko
Can it be a scum claim when the game's over? >_< At that point its scum triumphant celebration.
Any feedback on my play? :/
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:40 am
by Thor665
A full one would have been fine, but half? Very frustrated.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:40 am
by Ansuz
No it was pretty OP. We made Ger shoot himself and redirected kthx to ourselves
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:41 am
by Thor665
↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:Can it be a scum claim when the game's over? >_< At that point its scum triumphant celebration.
Any feedback on my play? :/
You were okay - but try to be clear when making claim commentary. When you claimed a result of "killing role" and then claimed that your result was "killing" it twigged me on you.
You should have always used the correct terminology - whichever it was, it would have helped your claim.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:41 am
by LynxKuroneko
I hate being right and not knowing how to be not wrong... How could I have proven Ansuz was scum given the circumstance?
At least you were right about redirection, not that it was disputed.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:41 am
by Thor665
↑ Ansuz wrote:No it was pretty OP. We made Ger shoot himself and redirected kthx to ourselves
Clearly...but I FIGURED THAT OUT.
The issue was the role interactions leading me to a false conclusion DESPITE that.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:42 am
by LynxKuroneko
Okay, I will only say this one last time. I said "killing ability".
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:42 am
by Thor665
Redirecting to self target is a little dumb, but inconsequential really.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:43 am
by Thor665
↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:Okay, I will only say this one last time. I said "killing ability".
You did say that.
You also said "killing"
That was the issue.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:44 am
by LynxKuroneko
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6229329
Then I can't help you, considering your issue was different just before.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:45 am
by Thor665
↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:I literally get one word summing up their ability. Ansuz was 'killing'
First off, you didn't get one word at any point, which was weird enough for you to then say one word when you openly claimed it wasn't one word, but regardless; you should have said "killing ability" and, theoretically for Konowa should have said "vote altering ability".
It's not an 'oh dear gawd' but it was an issue for me and I said as much at the time.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:45 am
by Thor665
I will agree again that you said that - I never said you didn't.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:45 am
by Untrod Tripod
so wait
a redirect worked on the hider?
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:47 am
by Thor665
That is annoying, but something I reasoned out - the issue is that the redirector was half investigation immune.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:47 am
by Desperado
I wasn't sure it would work either but Nacho insisted we try
GG everyone!
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:47 am
by LynxKuroneko
I didn't want to admit to getting one-word abilities because I wanted Ansuz to say something against that - which he did - which cemented him as final scum. Guess that type of thing only really works when, you know, I'm not on the scum list.
Points to me for lynching / voting all three scum! Whee!
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:48 am
by Thor665
↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:I didn't want to admit to getting one-word abilities because I wanted Ansuz to say something against that - which he did - which cemented him as final scum. Guess that type of thing only really works when, you know, I'm not on the scum list.
Where did you point out that you had caught him by this trick? I do not remember it.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:50 am
by Untrod Tripod
↑ Thor665 wrote:That is annoying, but something I reasoned out - the issue is that the redirector was half investigation immune.
there's nothing in the rule set about NAR, but
Copy
Hide
Bus
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect
is the usual setup. so.
HIDERS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY GOODNIGHT
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:50 am
by LynxKuroneko
Around here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6241741
I guess it wasn't effective for the purpose of making a case, but it sealed the deal for me anyway (though I thought he was final scum since d3x's will).
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:51 am
by Thor665
We all know this.
I agree it's dumb and said so in my setup spec.
That said - I was still able to figure that out and *still* was mislead by the setup info. That's the issue with the setup. As long as it can be reasoned it's not such a bad thing because the mod never claimed that NAR would be followed, so it is not a failure of the setup.
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:52 am
by Thor665
In that case my critique of your play is that, when you catch scum via a gambit, you should explain the gambit and how it caught scum to the other players instead of not doing that.