Blitz 16: Blitz Greatest Idea Mafia(GAME OVER)


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Post Post #1850 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:15 pm

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From the dead thread:

And speaking of RC: dude, you might be better at reading than me - IDK, don't have the data, but if you are - there's more to the game than reading. You also need to be able to convince people that you're right, and you need some work in that department. Almost is more diplomatic than me and apologized, but IMO his remark was spot on. Your play style helps you as scum, but is a hindrance as town. You yell at people and call them idiots when they disagree with you. Maybe you can bully some of the teenagers that way, but it's not working on me. Not only doesn't it sway me toward your position, it actually moves me against your position. You always read scummy to me. I've learned that that's your playstyle, and so not to push you D1 or D2 every game (that's where it helps you as scum). But, there's no way I'm ever gonna sheep your reads. Welp that's RC doesn't cut it. I understand that you might want to keep your reasoning to yourself. We play with the same people over and over, and if you alert them to their tells, they'll adapt. BUT...if you want people to believe you without providing reasoning, you need a much different interpersonal approach.

AND...if you hadn't wasted your govern on FA (only to scum read her later in phase), you could have stopped the Ranger lynch anyway, and BS presumably would have been lynched.

AND...you hammered yourself. Davesaz wasn't convinced. So quit blaming everyone but yourself.

AND I'll add...what's worse...scum reading someone who's town, or hammering someone who you town read? :P
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Post Post #1851 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:17 pm

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And one more thing...town won! Amazing that instead of enjoying that you have to criticize people for not playing perfectly. :?
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Post Post #1852 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:18 pm

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No one said I played perfectly, but at least my misplays are discrete rather than systemic issues with the way I play.

And one more thing...town won! Amazing that instead of enjoying that you have to criticize people for not playing perfectly. :?


Town didn't win the game; scum cross killed themselves to death.
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Post Post #1853 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:03 pm

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RadiantCowbells wrote:Instead, I see it as people are what they are and it's my responsibility to read them.

You scum read FA and she was town.
You scum read me and I was town.
You have a lot of work to do.
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Post Post #1854 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:05 pm

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FA, yes.

I didn't scumread you.
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Post Post #1855 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:49 pm

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RadiantCowbells wrote:FA, yes.

I didn't scumread you.


:|

I will kill you with my bare hands.....

If you ever ever again screamed that you can read me , I will show this game to them!

VOTE: RC

ok whatever! we nearly lost RC , Persival , Almost

I made a town list for you ... and you ignored me?! whYYYYY

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Post Post #1856 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:52 pm

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You said that BlackStar was town for you.

:good:


I will kill you with my bare hands.....


fight me, I'll turn you into ashes you cheeky ice loving devil.
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Post Post #1857 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:58 pm

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:|

When I said BS is town for me?! I said BS is telling the truth about bus driving ...
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Post Post #1858 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:26 pm

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End game music!

Spoiler: Lyrics
I once had an understanding that everything would go my way
But now we've come too far along for me to hold on to my own beliefs
I'm not in it for the fun of it but for the pain
I'm not at all interested in your temporary fame
I just want to see you stare
As I lay my soul bare for you
to crush upon with heavy feet
I'm in it for the beat
Stranger the faces
Stranger the places
They're becoming us
Here come the vultures
Here come the vultures
Heading over us
It's just a black murder of crows
Across the sky
The moon announces that it will soon be night
The light dies down
The spot goes on
As loveless lips
Break into song
I once had an understanding that everything would go my way
But now we've come too far along for me to hold on to my own beliefs
I'm not in it for the fun of it but for the pain
I'm not at all interested in your temporary fame
And the same old song we sing
Here's to the ghost
We still seem to host
How he's becoming us
Here come the vultures
Here come the vultures
Screaming down at us
They said you can not sing the blues
When you're pretty and young
Let me show you a face that fits to neither one
This heart is black
like blood that has dried
This song is blue
Like bruises bright
I once had an understanding that everything would go my way
But now we've come too far along for me to hold on to my own beliefs
I'm not in it for the fun of it but for the pain
I'm not at all interested in your temporary fame
And the same old song we sing
Murder of crows across the sky
The moon announces that it will soon be night
Fog closes in
And all I see All empty eyes
Through silent screams
I once had an understanding that everything would go my way
But now we've come to far along for me to hold on to my own beliefs
I'm in it for the beat


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False smile brings pain to one's self


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Post Post #1859 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:08 am

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I'd also like to comment on Survivors again.

What's the difference in motivations between a Survivor and a single-member mafia like Blackstar?

Not much:
- both need to survive to the end to win
- neither has a partner, so no associative tells
- scum has a NK and so is motivated to determine roles, but roles came out pretty early so that wasn't a factor

A Survivor lynch is a good lynch. Town lynched correctly 3 times out of 4. There was only 1 mislynch.

Really this should be a town celebration, rather than finger pointing because it wasn't a perfect win.
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Post Post #1860 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:04 am

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The difference is that survivors can win with town.

I'd think that was obvious.
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Post Post #1861 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:10 am

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It's easier for them to win with scum. Once as town I convinced a Survivor to vote with us, it backfired on him, and he lost. But, he would have won with scum.
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Post Post #1862 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:12 am

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Ranger wrote:Still bitter about that lynch, but oh well.

Would you consider this your standard town game? It didn't seem that way to me. I compared it to the last Blitz we were in and you were more confident with your reads and aggressive in that one.
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Post Post #1863 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:36 am

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Persivul wrote:Would you consider this your standard town game?
Yes. Explicitly so. I was town, no? So of course this was my standard town game. Why would it have been anything else? I tried to break the game multiple times: off of cards, off of picks, off of roles, and I still scumhunted beyond that. That's my town game to the core

I compared it to the last Blitz we were in and you were more confident with your reads and aggressive in that one.
Confidence is situational. I had an incredibly-confident D1. My confidence was lessened by the string of things not quite being what I expected. For instance, I had an incriminating result on BlackStar, but for the life of me, I couldn't figure out WHY he as scum would let me live if he knew it was going to be a 1v1 that by all rights he should have lost.
Quite the RANGE.
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Post Post #1864 (ISO) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:07 pm

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Hey guys, I want to apologize for my absence. I went to /in for Firebringer's game and the mod somehow picked me up for this game. I was going to try and ride it out, but then things got crazy with planning our robotics championships/end of season events. My heartfelt apologies to all. The season is over now (until next school year), so I get a breather for a good long while.
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Post Post #1865 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:55 pm

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