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In post 1833, OkaPoka wrote:i need gamma to tell me if A50 v Sephiroth was a normal emotional reaction from a50 because if AP is truly like a persona account then i know nothing about A50

I don’t see anything abnormal about how A50 responded
And yeah, AP and A50 do have different styles

In post 1849, DrDolittle wrote:a couple of things.
1) I'm giving a50 benefit of the doubt. there's no sense in even discussing lynching a claimed town investigative role that is not counterclaimed.
2) Oka:"We have PP wagon hit L1, then A50 gives intent to hammer to force out a claim (never follows through as ->" a50 never intended to vote. the hammer threat was empty. plus you should recall that only 2/3 of the votes on PP at that time were "serious votes". what you are pushing in your scenario is misleading.

ok lets argue semantics because you want to

a50's intent wasn't empty at first, he only revealed his true motivations later, but the point is that there was a moment in which he gave intent with the full weight of it and A50 had no reason to reveal his motivations until Seph dragged it out of him. The threat of hammer was there, PP seemed like a very possible lynch at that moment still.

therefore by arguing that my scenario is misleading, is misleading to everyone else

ok so which 1/3 of the votes in your mind weren't serious votes?

lets go through each person
-> kokichi literally starter of the wagon and pusher of it so
-> dva, makes a post after a50 gives intent to hammer and doesn't immediately unvote, so pretty serious then, no? implication of inaction makes it so that she is willing to let this proceed, probs more but lazy
->gamma in post
declares that he prefers a PP wagon, so pretty serious here
-> sephiroth gets grilled for his hardline position on PP by a50, also doesn't unvote immediately, requires him to enter a discussion with A50 before changing off. Pretty serious. You can read for yourself
-> tchill arguably can be not serious vote, but the fact of the matter is that he is willing to lynch anyone makes him still an equal vote on PP, he isn't going to leave the wagon unless it loses momentum thus the L1 pressure is all the same
-> BEF has inaction thing + he outright states that he does it for preservation of himself, he isn't going to leave the PP wagon. threat still exists

who isn't serious about lynching PP there?

But this is all a distraction.

PP wagon is suspcious because if he is green, its a ridicolously easy lynch to sell and scum who pushes it or join the wagon has good cover as
1) Mason kokichi is pushing it
2) Tchill and BEF both joined for crappy and opportunistic reasons, but were intent on seeing the lynch through

thus only explanation in my mind is that either:
PP town, scum tapped their resources pretty heavily already meaning high scum concentration in Gamma, Seph, Dva, with wildcards being A50/nako so they are worried about a huge incrimination
PP scum, scum see a better alternative lynch that is sellable in tchill/bef

or im wrong

but i think my scenarios are most reasonable explanations for PP, thus i want a PP flip.

In post 1839, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: Gamma

Why are we not voting here?

Why are you?

I don't really want the game state to stall but I can also see how I could be destroying town unity and possibly letting at least 1 lurker scum pass through without much notice. So I'm going to be relatively quieter for a bit.

I feel 1 scum at least on the oka wagon

VOTE: DrD

Is it here or elsewhere koki?

In post 1855, Mewtaph wrote:I don't really want the game state to stall but I can also see how I could be destroying town unity and possibly letting at least 1 lurker scum pass through without much notice. So I'm going to be relatively quieter for a bit.

This actually feels dissonant. Concerned about lurker scum, but going to lurk himself?

Can someone provide an alternative explanation to the PP wagon transpiring the way it did?

Once upon not so long ago there was this Town that couldn't agree to have a 3 player wagon intact long enough for a 4th person to join it. This Town lost the game. The End.

End the day already so I can eat a bullet and enjoy talking to skitter in the dead thread.

In post 1860, Almost50 wrote:Once upon not so long ago there was this Town that couldn't agree to have a 3 player wagon intact long enough for a 4th person to join it. This Town lost the game. The End.

Vote Oka then

so I assume neither of you two can provide a reasonable alternative to the two alternatives i have thrown out there?

In post 1857, DVa wrote:VOTE: DrD

Is it here or elsewhere koki?

Probably there

oh yeah and joey_ and kokichi shouldn't respond to my above question until everyone else in town has because otherwise the well will be poisoned

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Idk what you’re getting at with your associatives because you drill in scenario a but then throw in scenario b and just throw your hands in the air and say “everyone else figure this out”.

I'm ok with PP or mew

idea shortened with only bare bones on it:

PP town = we have at least two scum on PP wagon

PP scum = PP scum

thus lynch PP for best odds at winning

In post 1859, OkaPoka wrote:Can someone provide an alternative explanation to the PP wagon transpiring the way it did?

They felt they could push another mislynch and keep me alive for an easy mislynch later on for the way my wagon transpired?

In post 1854, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are you?

Stuff like this...

In post 1858, Gamma Emerald wrote:This actually feels dissonant. Concerned about lurker scum, but going to lurk himself?

Oh, I'm voting oka, but shading mew...

You don't seem to have a firm stance on anything.

I guess that's possible and opens some other doors, but do you think that your explanation is more likely than my explanation(s)?

In post 1872, OkaPoka wrote:I guess that's possible and opens some other doors, but do you think that your explanation is more likely than my explanation(s)?

I don't think it is any more or less likely. But, if it was the scenario, the worst case is that my lynch goes through and they still get a mislynch.

I'd think worst case scenario there would be your wagon would fail, town would find a new wagon on real scum if your town here.

Which is why I don't think your scenario is as likely because its less optimal to do as scum and its easier and better just to push you through unless there was some reason stopping them ie they are on the wagon and felt as if they couldn't actually pull it off

I think the only way your scenario ends up working is if we have 3 Deep scum that have no chance of getting lynched yesterday.