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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:04 pm
by Shoshin
I considered making the specific moves I needed to make to win, so it feels like that loss was on me. I don't deny that I'm very good at being townread as scum, but I pushed the wrong lynches and that matters a lot to being good scum. I'm still learning.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:05 pm
by Prince of Renais
i think you can have a solid 80%ish winrate off of solely having the ability to be townread. you're probably getting in more difficult than usual lobbies if it's working out for you that badly. although that normal you definitely deserved the powerlynch.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:06 pm
by Shoshin
Oh yeah, that was when I sucked at everything about scum.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:10 pm
by Shoshin
So are we going to talk about why you're lying about me, PR?
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:13 pm
by Prince of Renais
Let's talk about something else
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:14 pm
by Shoshin
How sure are we about town Buj?
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:17 pm
by Prince of Renais
not but I wouldn't lynch him over anyone I want to lynch more.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:18 pm
by NerfedBuJ
In post 1827, Shoshin wrote:I'm pretty sure Xtox townreads me because he's actually played with scum me. The only person in this game to do so.
I don't think I've played with town!you actually.
But even if I have, the game I do remember you were scum in it, so I for sure have played against scum!you.
Unless you mean scum partners?
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:19 pm
by Prince of Renais
when I said other things I mostly meant, like, not this game tbh.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:23 pm
by Xtoxm
mainly because i dont want to play with him
i wouldnt want him in lylo anyway and yknow..no time like the present
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:25 pm
by Prince of Renais
In post 1859, Xtoxm wrote:i wouldnt want him in lylo anyway and yknow..no time like the present
this is what you have to look forward to if you aspire to scum mastery, by the by
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:27 pm
by Shoshin
I already feel like people treat me that way so nothing new.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:28 pm
by Shoshin
Oh, that quote shouldn't be there. I was looking at Lycan's stuff. Ignore.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:32 pm
by Xtoxm
In post 1847, Shoshin wrote:But I don't think my scum play it self can be called good until I start winning games.
yeah, this is the correct position on 0% so i respect that
you can always do better but arso is like a super diffucult role to win with the bar is that much higher
main thing holding you back tbh is that you keep rolling town
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:35 pm
by Prince of Renais
i believe that i've already given you the advice that tryharding as scum will make your overall experience in mafia worse. i can't control how you feel about that but it's so, so not worth it in my view years later.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:39 pm
by Prince of Renais
and it's not just me, i don't know of a single player with a highly recognized scumgame who isn't bitter and resentful of that fact.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:44 pm
by NerfedBuJ
In post 1816, Alisae wrote: In post 1811, NerfedBuJ wrote:Alisae I will never be able to townread if she's alive in lylo, I'll be honest. Just haven't felt that anything she's done reflects how a townie should act if her claimed emotions are genuine.
honestly
I just don't think you've seen anyone go from engaged to dissengaged and then to engaged.
Of course I have.
It's that I don't buy that your original disengagement is real. Or if it is it comes from scum with shitty partners.
You're welcome to prove me wrong and start scumhunting for real. I am capable of changing my mind. But so far the best thing you've done has been to present a case that in its essence is a meta read on a friend. I would expect that in early day 1, like right after the replacement maybe, not 80 pages in, when the slot's replacement has posted a lot, when we've already lynched scum. And to be fair if FA is as close to you as you say wouldn't she specifically use this knowledge to try to fool you as scum?
In your heart of hearts do you honestly think you've posted enough to be townread? It's my first game with you and that's an expected hurdle but having people not comment on how easily you've been townread by at least 2 people is bugging me the hell out. Even if I'm wrong I just can't see how a townie can put you in the never lynch pile already.
Half the reason why I get suspected in all my games is that I hunt through scum pools and then transition to direct reads. People always interpret that as setting up mislynches because of their narrow pov of how to win town games.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:46 pm
by NerfedBuJ
In post 1863, Xtoxm wrote: In post 1847, Shoshin wrote:But I don't think my scum play it self can be called good until I start winning games.
yeah, this is the correct position on 0% so i respect that
you can always do better but arso is like a super diffucult role to win with the bar is that much higher
main thing holding you back tbh is that you keep rolling town
What are you talking about.. Arso is easier to win as scum.. that's why the Town:Scum ratio is higher than a regular game.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:47 pm
by Prince of Renais
this day phase versus day 1 feels like the godfather pt 2 vs the godfather pt 1.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:48 pm
by Alisae
In post 1866, NerfedBuJ wrote:In your heart of hearts do you honestly think you've posted enough to be townread?
People are in fact townreading me so yes
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:49 pm
by Xtoxm
In post 1867, NerfedBuJ wrote: In post 1863, Xtoxm wrote: In post 1847, Shoshin wrote:But I don't think my scum play it self can be called good until I start winning games.
yeah, this is the correct position on 0% so i respect that
you can always do better but arso is like a super diffucult role to win with the bar is that much higher
main thing holding you back tbh is that you keep rolling town
What are you talking about.. Arso is easier to win as scum.. that's why the Town:Scum ratio is higher than a regular game.
this is in the context of solo 3p arso vs groupscum and town
this game has arsonists but is an unrelated coincidence
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 pm
by Alisae
If you are so confused on why people are townreading me, here, you like scumhunting, why don’t you ask them why?
I’m sure anyone who is townreading me can explain why they’re townreading me.
So you’re welcome to actively go out of your way to ask people why they are townreading me.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:03 pm
by NerfedBuJ
I mean you didn't answer my question (I'm asking if you would townread you), but sure let's do that.
Rei and Prince and EE why are you townreading Ali?
That's the ones I remember. Maybe Jingle too.
Anyone else why are you townreading Ali?
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:06 pm
by NerfedBuJ
Like you realize they disrespect both your town game and your scum game by doing it and reduce the bar on every town player from this point forth.
Do nothing, say you're disengaged, get a free townread.
Because THAT'S when they townread you. Your case on FA didn't change anyone's read on you as far as I can tell. At least they see that post as NAI, so I guess I should be happy about that.
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:07 pm
by Xtoxm
btw who all said the thing about scum having given up is stupid or scum
scum dont give up d1
id still put it >50% scum win this game given all vanilla