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In post 1844, Churros wrote:

In post 1841, Taly wrote:So... you thought pushing your lynchpool would've actually ended in the lynch on everybody in the pool, and this isn't a new strategy for you?

Can you link this game of yours?

I can't, I don't want to out this alt yet. I only hinted to Blake so much about my identity because at a first moment I had good feelings on the slot early and thought I could work with her by making myself an easier read. Second reason her read on me was kinda bizarre considering our experience together. I couldn't afford to not talk about it.

Understandable, not prying further.

In post 1844, Churros wrote:

In post 1841, Taly wrote:Ouch. :/

Why did/do you think I'm such a roadblock for town here?

You aren't hypothetically speaking a roadblock for town, I even think you can have better reads or overall perfomance than Blake in some games. I find Blake, or rather Ank, greatest strength to keep town working together/coherently more than necessarily her reads accuracy. It can be a game-changer for town in certain games, which I felt it was the case in our past experience.

I don't think bad of you regardless of your alignment here Taly. I don't even know how you got that impression from my post?

I was just wondering what your thought process was behind the solve of me being scum, but I guess that doesn't matter here so much.

Your POV on me in relation to suggests that you're familiar with me, so I'm trusting you here.

This is my first solo game in awhile, my best and worst player traits are morphing into a clusterfuck.

In post 1848, Churros wrote:Finally that phase of the game. I'm starting to feel lethargic about my reads.

I wish someone had a hotter take other than Fire maybe being scum.

I don't have really changed my opinions/confidence/reads but neither they are the same as before.

Taly you're flaking on your previous scum reads so who is scum right now to you?

If are town then this game becomes incredibly easy, and I'm starting to think that's a very possible reality here that I'd even vote based off.

In post 1849, Churros wrote:I could see Math scum sure.

But I've trouble with his partners if Taly isn't exactly one. If Taly isn't scum who would be Math partners anyway.

I hard TR Paragon, it's my main read

I think Eyesott has terrible posts but I still town read how he approached pops

I mostly town read Ame, even though Fire presence so far has been a bit underwhelming even for him.

I don't get any bad pings from Allo and his interactions with Math doesn't look SvS.

Blake is...probably not a Math partner.

If Taly isn't scum with Math this game just doesn't make sense from a mathematical POV for me for scum!Math with a 3-man team. I don't feel as good about a Taly/Math solve though as I did before. I think one of them might be likely scum at this gamestate but their interactions are kinda "huh" for buddies the more I think about it.

Math/Something_Smart would be a more reasonable solve but what's the probability of only 2 scum or 2 scum + traitor anyway?

If there's a possibility of 2 NKs, there's likelier 2 scum, but I'm not delving into setup spec unless it's an absolute necessity with more flips/actions to judge off of.

is also the strongest townread I have in light of flips, and his opening posts.

I have a hell of a time reading and this is my first game experiencing alone. But game here did not feel like scum-her in .

with a towncore, scum is within

That's the best I have at the moment, is least confident but the other 3 reads are solid.

I guess I'll start group ISOing.

My vote is on , I haven't felt strong enough to remove it.

Mmm, that may change. Haven't felt anything overtly scum-indicative.

pings me more for lack of content, because of his lackluster D2 posting, and also had net 0 to discuss when there was plenty of content to.

Part of my quick townreading of is that I don't see why scum would still be in the limelight if town has been pretty much cannibalized each other this game so far.

And there's just so much opportunity for to scumread, misrep, or dismiss the other people's POV but they're working cohesively last page.

So yeah, my reads are becoming PoE based, and it makes sense given the gamestate read where are town since we're the most vocal.

@Blake Convince me that I'm not playing quite similar to how you wish to play Rhul. (Minus the storytelling aspect obviously)

@Taly earlier you mentioned finding it weird that I care more about your read of me than other players' read of me. Here's an example:
Blake votes for me. "It's just one vote, I don't care."
Paragon votes for me. "Yep he's still scum."
eyestott votes for me. "I think I need that vote... I should be able to get it back later."
But now when I'm dropping out of your townreads and into your willing to hang pile I get concerned because I don't know what to do about it. I haven't managed to be townie this game -- I don't see how that will change. More importantly there is not a path for me to survive the day with your vote and voice against me instead of for me.

You're expecting me to be townie at a constant, as you're putting a lot of value into the *now* at any point in time, and that skews your reads away from me. I find myself as town having peaks of towniness which I struggle to maintain.

In post 1818, Taly wrote:

NDMath

, with

Luca

being town, do you understand why he was pushing you? Do you have an rebuttal about your stance on

Paragon

, or the assertion that you're shadowing my POV this game?

I understood why he was pushing me while I was alive, what I didn't understand was how to stop him -- convince him otherwise. I don't know how to be coherent on what I see in Paragon. I don't recall what specifically was scummy in mostly shadowing your pov.

My vote hasn't left anywhere and I'm not 100% at the townbloc yet, even then, there's town in the group of people I mentioned and I'm not that fickle with reads.

Also, if there's 3 scum, we mislynch, and 2 townies get NKed, it's gg at 3-3.

NDMath wrote:

In post 1818, Taly wrote:

NDMath

, with

Luca

being town, do you understand why he was pushing you? Do you have an rebuttal about your stance on

Paragon

, or the assertion that you're shadowing my POV this game?

I understood why he was pushing me while I was alive, what I didn't understand was how to stop him -- convince him otherwise. I don't know how to be coherent on what I see in Paragon. I don't recall what specifically was scummy in mostly shadowing your pov.

Then, do you agree that you've followed my thoughts a lot? And if so, why or what do you think about it?

In post 1829, Aloratom wrote:

In post 1801, NDMath wrote:The extra kill has to be from a form of vigilante. (1-shot, full, JOAT, etc.)

In post 1797, Churros wrote:In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

'iInteresting' is a good word choice here.
VOTE: Blake

She was pretty much the only person who thought fuzzy's lynch would probably hit scum (maybe barring pops who fuzzy was tunnelling.) And I find it scummy how the flip against her reads almost makes her more confident in her reads.
I agree with Churros that her answers about Rhul don't quite hold up either.

I thought your read on Blake was Town. In fact, yesterday you said something about it not making any sense at all her being scum. Now she's hard scum? How does your read flip like that? It's essentially the obverse of what you just accused her of doing.

She wasn't hard scum, more emphasis on wanting something to come from Churro's push, as it was different from what I would expect from scum!Churros. I'm assuming by observe you meant reverse, to which most of reads haven't changed. I had to do some reconsidering since pops+fuzzy were dead and they were two main candidates to fill out a scum team with paragon and churros. After seeing Blake's reaction I am scumreading Blake more and townreading churros more. At some point I'll need to look back at Churros entrance and see if I still find it scummy or not.

Pedit: I agree I've followed your thoughts quite a bit. Because they are more similar to mine than most people and I've convinced myself you have to be town. Perhaps that's not towny, but I don't see what is scummy about it.

In post 1856, Taly wrote:My vote hasn't left anywhere and I'm not 100% at the townbloc yet, even then, there's town in the group of people I mentioned and I'm not that fickle with reads.

Also, if there's 3 scum, we mislynch, and 2 townies get NKed, it's gg at 3-3.

Meaning: I'm working toward a solve, not just what I'm thinking at the moment.

I'm not throwing away my townread after 2 wallposts of viewing you from a town POV, but I might need to look at it again upon a group.

I'll even do this with .

NDMath wrote: Pedit: I agree I've followed your thoughts quite a bit. Because they are more similar to mine than most people and I've convinced myself you have to be town. Perhaps that's not towny, but I don't see what is scummy about it.

I just don't know if scum plays this way... I cannot recollect any experience with , so for him to approach my slot in this manner coming from scum would be a performance that I've never really encountered before.

Nothing about this progression of on me seems scum-indicative, I'd figure scum would've either deflected from doing this action or committed to bullshitting more.

but all town hurts my brain, but it's possible I think?

Perhaps that's my first ISO group.

I'll pay respect to and metadive to see if I notice what he saw or have an opinion on that.

I don't know. I'll just be mad if I vote a towncase again and I find out I'm right.

I always correctly townread 1 or 2 slots that nobody else does, and they're either late-game WIFOM or disappointingly early mislynch.

Sometimes I win with this knack, though.

In post 1852, Taly wrote:Mmm, that may change. Haven't felt anything overtly scum-indicative.

S_S

pings me more for lack of content,

NDMath

because of his lackluster D2 posting, and

Alo

also had net 0 to discuss when there was plenty of content to.

Part of my quick townreading of

Blake/Churros

is that I don't see why scum would still be in the limelight if town has been pretty much cannibalized each other this game so far.

And there's just so much opportunity for

Blake/Churros

to scumread, misrep, or dismiss the other people's POV but they're working cohesively last page.

So yeah, my reads are becoming PoE based, and it makes sense given the gamestate read where

Blake/Churros

are town since we're the most vocal.

We're not even 24 hours into Day 2, Taly. It's a little early to be calling people out for lack of content.

Honestly I think it's reasonable.

I'm overgamed not in terms of time but in terms of brainpower, and I haven't been putting enough effort into this game. My apologies.

Taly, I just feel like you wear your heart on your sleeve as town in a way that (I think) isn't really fakeable. Unless you're literally that dude from Lie to Me, I don't think you would have a good enough grasp on psychology to replicate all of that.

I'm still interested in BoP Blake as a strategy for today, ngl.

In post 1862, Something_Smart wrote:Honestly I think it's reasonable.

I'm overgamed not in terms of time but in terms of brainpower, and I haven't been putting enough effort into this game. My apologies.

I was talking about Day 2 content, but I get your point.

But I think Taly was talking about D1 and D2.

Oh god am I carrying us

In post 1864, Something_Smart wrote:I'm still interested in BoP Blake as a strategy for today, ngl.

Why not Churros or I getting BoP'd?

You say you want to sheep Blake but you haven't voted for NDMath. Actually, I don't think you've even voted someone in the game so far.

also phonepost

Aloratom wrote:

In post 1852, Taly wrote:Mmm, that may change. Haven't felt anything overtly scum-indicative.

S_S

pings me more for lack of content,

NDMath

because of his lackluster D2 posting, and

Alo

also had net 0 to discuss when there was plenty of content to.

Part of my quick townreading of

Blake/Churros

is that I don't see why scum would still be in the limelight if town has been pretty much cannibalized each other this game so far.

And there's just so much opportunity for

Blake/Churros

to scumread, misrep, or dismiss the other people's POV but they're working cohesively last page.

So yeah, my reads are becoming PoE based, and it makes sense given the gamestate read where

Blake/Churros

are town since we're the most vocal.

We're not even 24 hours into Day 2, Taly. It's a little early to be calling people out for lack of content.

For 3 flips, I'd expect much more activity at day start.

I think scum is likelier to perpetuate a lack of game solving at this point by overplaying apathy or just not contributing much due to the grim state the game is for town. Namely, if something is unclear to you, what are you doing to solve that?

Churros, does my read on you impact your read on me at all? Whether I scumread or townread you.

Same question to Blake.

I don't like that puts a lot of stock into convincing others that he's town, but I like his reasoning to vote since it feels odd that is confident with her reads in the event that her only notable scumread D1 flipped town. 1791 I do find his progression weird as it did go from town to scum very quickly (as noted very early in his ISO), I don't think has put much stock into explaining it, or trying to, so his desire in keeping my townread on him feels a bit like AtE. 519 565

I like that has awareness of the gamestate and is working with slots she scumreads (), but I don't like that she threw into her same D1 lynchpool after voicing that he's a read that she'd defend D1 1365 1639. I think her vote is more defensive versus gamesolve-oriented because it's based around scumreading him off the gamestate versus any particular action. I know the points I make about are specific to her abilities playstyle-wise, so it's hard to gauge what's AI.

I'm the only person openly entertaining town-town. Mmmmm....

I haven't been ignoring this game, I've been avoiding it due to the lag. Sorry.

In post 1870, Blake Belladonna wrote:I haven't been ignoring this game, I've been avoiding posting in it due to the lag. Sorry.

Fixed.

This game bores me.

Someone entertain me.

Will you be interested if I claim?

not really.

got any killer memes?

Watch anything cool on Netflix?