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In post 1843, Nauci wrote:Beetlejuicing on Day 1

In post 1849, Blair wrote:

In post 1839, Nauci wrote:

In post 1807, Blair wrote:He is a new enough player that he has no completed games yet. Arguments based on, "We all know this would be an unforced error as scum," don't apply very well to new players.

If I'm understanding you correctly (which I may not be, because I'm currently Asiam-girl-drunk trying to cope with getting old), you're saying that the vote change there is a scummy unforced error, but that newbies are prone to doing that kind of thing?

I was trying to ask if you thought that Gibus, as scum, would post the vote acknowledging that the sheep vote appears scummy.

Yes, the acknowledgement that it looks scummy is exactly the sort of lampshading I expect from newer players, so I don't consider it a point in his favor because the wisdom to "say less" here as scum is something that comes with experience.

In post 1850, Blair wrote:

In post 1843, Nauci wrote:Beetlejuicing on Day 1

Can you explain what you mean by this? Is this the same as my "Bloody Mary" pattern, or something different.

In post 1850, Blair wrote:

In post 1843, Nauci wrote:Beetlejuicing on Day 1

Can you explain what you mean by this? Is this the same as my "Bloody Mary" pattern, or something different.

In post 1847, Aloratom wrote:

In post 295, votato wrote:VOTE: copykat. i agree with brass. its mostly gut, but copykat seems pretty opportunistic hopping on the major wagon, putting it to L-1 without saying anything. I also see nothing in copykats case about scumslippng. Not a strong case against copykat, ill concede, but worth pressuring. I still dont like ironcat, but that might just be due to language barrier.

This seems like a pretty good case on Osuka. I could go BBMolla today. Or maybe Dunnstral/Lillith. I need to look at this Tuxedo/copykat thing a little closer but that seemed to be more early game. I'm not so much for a Blair/Freddie hook today.

In post 1775, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1772, BBmolla wrote:

In post 1768, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1766, BBmolla wrote:this game got heated

okay boys where we at, I'm pretty confident in that Lillith/Dunn slot being scum, unsure of the other

theres 1 scum in Nauci-Gibus. I'm not too sure which - who do you like and I'll go with ya?

they're both town though

why do you say this friendo

you think no scum on the Day 1 mislynch? unlikely!

In post 1840, Aloratom wrote:So what's the argument for Dunnstral (lilith) being scum?

In post 1748, BBmolla wrote:I'm on page 2, Lillith (now Dunn) is scum for helping in 40
lilith is for sure scum

In post 372, lilith2013 wrote:I think copykat's switch from defending gibus ("scum wouldn't be trying to out masons in this thread") to attacking a "scumslip" feel contrived to me, like he is trying to get on the bandwagon as fast as possible and needs something to attack gibus for. Typically I think scum are more likely to attack something like that so suddenly and aggressively.

VOTE: copykat

I think this is L-2

disgusting vote

In post 1856, Tuxedo Mask wrote:What does Bloody Marying/Beetlejuicing mean? Like you say their name and they appear, but how does that relate to game theory?

In post 1863, BBmolla wrote:Gibus is town

In post 1857, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: Dunstral

In post 1843, Nauci wrote:

In post 1840, Aloratom wrote:So what's the argument for Dunnstral (lilith) being scum?

Few things off of the top of my head

-Beetlejuicing on Day 1
-under reacting to Formerfish on Day 1
-mostly IIOA commentary on the fiasco on day 2 instead of specific evolution of her reads on Day 2
-I never trust Dunnstral

I liked her posts on day 1, but they kind of only happened when several people would mention her, so I had her as null then, but I felt like she took the opportunity on day 2 of the drama to mostly rehash stuff instead of give reads, even if they were very helpful posts.

In post 1866, Nauci wrote:The protests in my neighborhood were getting violent and a ton of stores were being looted and police were deploying tear gas and had helicopters everywhere

In post 1855, Nauci wrote:

In post 1847, Aloratom wrote:

In post 295, votato wrote:VOTE: copykat. i agree with brass. its mostly gut, but copykat seems pretty opportunistic hopping on the major wagon, putting it to L-1 without saying anything. I also see nothing in copykats case about scumslippng. Not a strong case against copykat, ill concede, but worth pressuring. I still dont like ironcat, but that might just be due to language barrier.

This seems like a pretty good case on Osuka. I could go BBMolla today. Or maybe Dunnstral/Lillith. I need to look at this Tuxedo/copykat thing a little closer but that seemed to be more early game. I'm not so much for a Blair/Freddie hook today.

The case was on CopyKat, right? That's Tuxedo

Osuka was Ironcat

In post 1848, Aloratom wrote:

In post 1400, votato wrote:ugh i kinda hate myself for doing this. sorry, long wallpost. theres a ton of fluffposting and shitposting in the iso, but here are some highlights.

Spoiler:

In post 641, osuka wrote:

In post 53, Freddiethelady wrote:

In post 12, iamironcat wrote:Hola, also had some mafia history in other places. Have never played a mafia game which lasted this long tho. I don't get the vote for Votato so VOTE:

gibus

In post 45, iamironcat wrote:

In post 20, votato wrote:this is known as the RVS, or Random Vote Stage, where people vote for silly reasons to get the game started, and then we gradually progress to more serious posting as we get a few bandwagons going.

Fine, VOTE: votato

you shouldn't flipflop like that makes you look flaky

VOTE: imironcat

that's very scummy
VOTE: freddiethelady

osuka's initial post unvoted and said "lemme get caught up." shortly thereafter, without being caught up, he drops another vote. this scumread developed really fast, and hasnt been remotely re-evaluated. in fact, anyone who defends freddie or questions osuka is scum in osuka's mind.

In post 652, osuka wrote:

In post 212, Formerfish wrote:Replacement is a good suspect due to the whole issue of newbies replacing out of scum rolls in their first games.

ouch

this is disgusting

no it isnt. thats statistically true. interesting that FF and osu start shading each other. throughout the game they shade each other, but never vote or want pressure. seems like scum theater. more on this story at 11!

In post 649, osuka wrote:hahahah I was thinking to myself, ironcat reads as town before I realized that's my fucking slot

what a day

hmmm

In post 653, osuka wrote:

In post 218, iamironcat wrote:

In post 217, Formerfish wrote: Here you talk about yourself being killed tonight based off a random read from RVS within the first 10 pages.

Thats a lot of whatfuckingifs to check off to hit on the head. Hence why I mentioned that the idea that you would be the night kill as a puzzler.

Youre the person who thinks everyone is scum at first and we have to prove to you somehow that we arent, right?

Wasn't just talking about self but anyways.
It's easy to kill anyone who's town and I might be one of them. Mafia might either NK those who they might consider having a good lead or those who were accused by another town to set them up.
In this case, I used myself as an example for easy talking.

Not asking anyone to prove me personally that I'm not scum. Just talking about my process of elimination.

Also, you seem to be taking a lot of things personally - hence projecting them onto me.

fucking christ, I'd vote this if I weren't on this slot

wait what happened to that townread? (spoiler, the self-townread comes back later...)

In post 654, osuka wrote:I think ironcat was actively trying to get himself killed

again, i townread myself, but please ignore all the scummy stuff i see coming from my slot

In post 660, osuka wrote:

In post 391, gibus wrote:My read list right now from town to scum

[gibus, votato, feathers]

[CopyKat, ironcat]

[brassherald, Freddie]

[Formerfish, lilith2013]

I'm colourblind and I had to look up hex codes for the colours lol

this is a pretty weird tierlist

IIoA

In post 1171, osuka wrote:Fish has done and said some very questionable things over the last 3 or 4 pages but I struggle to see some of his posts as coming from scum

more shade, but doesnt press the issue

In post 1174, osuka wrote:I maintain that the wave lynch was bad. Good chance it’ll flip town

at no point did you defend wave, and in fact there were a few posts where you called wave out. you said you needed to evaluate the slot and sort it, but never did. this post is as a result really bad. trying to get towncred post-flip when you never defended the slot prior to this.

In post 1176, osuka wrote:Lilith could be scum but that’s a quick thought without anything concrete behind it. I’ll have to iso

this never happened either. you keep promising work, but haven't done anything to sort any slots except freddie (and me by association, and now apparently tuxedo for having the audacity not to sheep you).

In post 1190, osuka wrote:you were a very solid townread of mine but the way you handled the lynch and what youve said since you hammered is very very offputting

again, FF is scummy, but am i going to pressure the slot? no. im gonna keep calling FF out but then maintain a solid townread.

In post 1214, osuka wrote:scumteam is { freddie, 1{ lil, nausi, gibus } }

ive solved the game and youre all welcome

so basically your solve involves everyone except you and FF. and this was pre-flip, yet youre acting like wave already flipped town.

In post 1354, osuka wrote:if freddie flips town, however remote that possibility, votato should be powerlynched the following day barring only the literal apocalypse

i can understand poor decision making in light of judgment day

yes, i should be lynched for being right. makes sense. also, for the record, your solve at this point is me and freddie. you think we are scum partners. so if freddie flips scum, you want to lynch me for being scum. but now if freddie flips town you still want to lynch me. thats what tuxedo is saying. and tuxedo is right.

In post 1368, osuka wrote:that's a scum slip if ive ever seen one. in fact, I will bet that scum team is { tuxedo, { freddie, votato } } - the second member of which depends on the votato-freddie dynamic i explained earlier

this solve is based on freddie!scum, which is a bad read. then theres me!scum for townreading freddie. and now tuxedo is even more scum for the crime of questioning you.

tl;dr: osuka decided in post four of the iso that freddie was scum. since then theres been no effort to sort anyone else, other than me and now tuxedo for defending freddie, and FF as town for attacking freddie, despite pointing out a lot of scummy posts from FF. interestingly, despite saying theres a lot of scummy posts from FF, osuka never pushes at FF. looks like distancing.

Forget 1847. This is what I meant to quote.

This seems like a pretty good case on Osuka. I could go BBMolla today. Or maybe Dunnstral/Lillith. I need to look at this Tuxedo/copykat thing a little closer but that seemed to be more early game. I'm not so much for a Blair/Freddie hook today.