Mafiascum.net

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:05 am**

Also, I just think it would be better to straight uP hit her over the head with the scroll if we’re gunna do that.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:13 am**

In post 1836, UNOwen wrote:Shellllyyyyyy.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:29 am**

In post 1728, Hopkirk wrote:@Fidget - are you a public alt? I'm wondering who you are since you said I've got a 'very good scumgame' and I haven't rolled scum in like two and a half years and 20-30 games at this point.

I am not.

In post 1745, Hopkirk wrote:To clarify my POE is closer to 10-12 than it is 5. Those are just the ones I was thinking of voting right now (less so Noraa
right now
but they're more the names I can see myself voting over the next two days)

It's largely that the tone feels under the radary/uncontroversial in general, but there's a couple of specific things that pinged me.

In post 39, Fidget wrote:
In post 14, Bell wrote:My understanding is that scum get one day vig you can’t shoot a scroll holder.
We get three flips at once.
That occur over a 7 day voting phase.
Then 2 baton passes for an additional 6 days of content.
3 flips repeat.

No scum NK?
You have a pretty good understanding of the setup, up until the part where you question whether or not scum has a NK. What is your intention behind the last line?

In post 291, Fidget wrote:I trust that Noraa received several votes for that? So I'll hold off for a moment.

UNVOTE:

In post 104, Noraa wrote:Ok let's clarify something rq. I asked Cabd to bring me along to spectate the next game he was going to spectate. He said he was gonna spectate this game and that I was in it already. I was at the time, not even aware of this games existence. I checked out this game and saw it was modded by hectic and was like ooooo sounds fun! so then I directly inned. I don't read setup. Everyone says that I town slip as scum. So to be completely honest, a lot of the "townslips" aren't even town slips for me cuz I legitimately don't pay attention to the OPs. Pooky since you referenced Mafiasunny, I was a mafia goon that game and I legitimately asked my partners in the pt if there were town prs. Dumb question ig you could say and considering my partners were voyeur and Roleblocker, it should've been pretty obvious there were prs. I didn't read any of the setup in that game either and submitted actions in the pt when the mod directly said you had to pm him. I literally do not read OPs of games with setups I've never played in before(that was my first mini theme). I want to reference two different games as well but they're ongoing so I can't but regardless I only skim OPs and sometimes I dont even do that. In this case, I did not read anything believe it or not.
I do not understand. Why did you feel the need to ask how many scum are in the setup rather than looking? If you thought this setup was closed, why would one of the designers/reviewers (Isis) play it?

I am playing with the idea you're just easy elimbait, but what an odd question to ask.
So two things here. First, this kind of reads as someone waiting to see how much traction it gets before deciding to vote and/or bus.
Second, less Fidget based, but something Fidget picked up here is that Bell's kind of doing a fake townslip there too with the 'not knowing if scum have a nightkill' comment. Feels like that didn't really get a reaction. Hey Fidget, can you go a little more into where your solid Bell townread comes from because it feels like you handed it out quickly, and it feels a little (not completely but a little) at odds with your Noraa perspective.

I would say I was thinking about voting Bell but only by virtue of that it was page 2. I was looking for his answer, not for other people to chime in. What makes you feel like it is the latter?

Yes, that is what I was getting at. I decided I was fine with his reaction and by the time I was back in the thread, I had Noraa to focus on in any case.

With regards to townreading Bell, I liked his tone which did slightly go against the thread pairing him w/ Noraa at the time. Let me see if I can tell exactly what I meant when I townread him.

Ah, I cannot help but like posts like these. Makes me feel like scum doesn't say them (even if sure, they could), especially when I'm thinking Noraa is scum.

Spoiler:

In post 1745, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 300, Fidget wrote:I like Bell's tone, but pointing that out ruins the Noraa coaching/bussing joke so I'll shelve that for later.

In post 166, Noraa wrote:Taylor - town for realizing that this isn't AI due to previous experience playing with me
Murder - null bc he didn't realize it wasn't AI even tho he has played with me before but the paranoia towards shelly is very town bc when playing with shelly, it is nerve-racking trying to determine if you're being absolutely fooled or if you are judging too much and she's actually town. I feel this paranoia all the way after one scum game with her where she told me about all her evil plans in the scum pt and after one town game where I was fooled by her big time. Something that town pings + something that scum pings cancel out and so I am null but prolly town lean still.
Pooky - town because I believe he believes in his SR on me and scum wouldn't bc scum knows who their scum buddies are.
Lexi - null. I still dislike the discord argument. Lexi's been more eager to push me than Pooky has which tbh is a bit strange considering normally the one that starts it is the biggest on pushing it :/
Isis - town because the tone is towny and I relate to some of those posts in that I would say something similar in her position
Bell - townie confusion. could be faked but I'm willing to believe it is real for now
Shelly - scum for misrepping people and also for throwing shade at pooky yet never voting pooky.
Vaultdweller - scum. can't quite put my finger on what's wrong here but I'm def getting scum pings.
Hopkirk - null but lean scum. dislike the jumping on all biggest wagons for no reason.
You
really
don't want to die, do you?
I'm not sure how natural Fidget's progression reads since they had a problem with Noraa, but got a much bigger problem with her after it became clear pretty much everyone did.

I don't like that you went offline just when I wanted to interact with you Noraa :(

I had an issue with Noraa immediately after reading the post that looked like an attempted townslip. I noticed while skimming she got a couple of votes for that but needless to say I agreed. I'm curious what makes it seem like my issue with Noraa escalated after seeing others' reactions. I usually read starting where I was, post, keep reading, post as I go. Mayyyybe that, or maybe I'm missing exactly what I did.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:42 am**

In post 1749, shellyc wrote:this is ordered from left to right in tiers btw

yeah fidget could be deepwolfing but their tone reads as solvy and rather proactive

If I am deepwolfing scum right now, that is going to end if Noraa is town. Feels like I got into a lot of town bins for the Noraa stuff, or at least that's what I remember.

In post 1761, Bell wrote:As for fidget, I’m not building a case as to why those sorts of large posts are scum motivated or how shelly’s reaction is exactly the sort of thing that those posts are designed to incite feelings in. It’s not strong though! And he insisted that this is the first time I’ve met a town player that makes a post like that and I don’t feel super inclined to disbelieve them.

Oh, you meant the large reply to Noraa, and not the "Tayl0r and Pooky stahp" post? That makes way more sense. I think my WIM is higher as scum so my posts tend to effort more, and that might be a way to seem like I'm high-efforting.

In this case, I wanted to reply to Noraa but it turned into condensing my reads someplace partway through. My original intent was to ensure I wasn't ignoring Noraa, but I may as well use the opportunity to figure out where I stand on all the players.

In post 1785, Bell wrote:
In post 1783, shellyc wrote:i'd swap fidget -> zdenek in your solve but the rest of this seems quite solid

p-edit: why re you so confident in lld's ability to find scum
Supportive scum Shellyc tactic #2.

No. Well. Maybe. White knighty shelly.

Leantown on Theta for reaction to townslip, slight leantown on UNOwen for pointing out her reaction to townslip being towny maybe.

In post 1785, Bell wrote:
In post 1783, shellyc wrote:i'd swap fidget -> zdenek in your solve but the rest of this seems quite solid

p-edit: why re you so confident in lld's ability to find scum
Supportive scum Shellyc tactic #2.

In post 1790, shellyc wrote:
In post 1787, Theta Alpine wrote:ooh i really like that list from hopkirk
Bell you're inconsistent simply because making TRs is not equaling to pocketing. If you want to call everyone that TRs hopkirk as scum, SR this.

Who said anything about pocketing? I believe his intent was to accuse you of being scum supporting your partner.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:51 am**

In post 1791, Hopkirk wrote:The issue is this
If Taylor is town and thinks you're scum then the actual order would be

Taylor-Pooky-One of Taylor's townreads

That's a shit bargain for Taylor. If she dies she absolutely wants to be in the middle.

Like nobody would EVER accept that because it's literally the worst possible outcome except for hitting 3 town since she dies and the mafia get the effective nightkill. It's far superior for her to kill someone she scumreads with the first slot. I especially don't get why you think Taylor as a player would like the deal based on the personality read I'm forming around her. What you SHOULD be asking her is whether she'd accept Pooky-Taylor-X since that's a deal town would consider taking. Choosing not to make that deal ensures she'll never take it as either alignment.

You're also definitely overestimating your game impact.

Yes.

Shelly has a really good ability to make me want to vote her every game. But I was just going over why Noraa also makes me do that. This feels bad. I'd love for

@Bell

to expound on how he lockscummed shelly, unless he did already in which I will find it later.

In post 1815, Bell wrote:Maybe after the game and if you flip red I’ll share.

Oh. Guess I'll have to think for myself on that one.

In post 1822, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 1818, Bell wrote:Not really. You’re kind of like somebody who wants to control the game but I don’t respond well to what you’re doing. So I’m tactfully side stepping you.
I'd like to wagon someone yes. I'm not clear what you mean by 'wants to control the game' outside of that, and why you don't want to follow onto that wagon if you actually want that wagon.

In post 1824, Bell wrote:If I wanted that wagon I would be trying to make that wagon, no?

Hopkirk smells a partnership since I dropped the possible forged townslip accusation from you earlier, I think.

In post 1825, Bell wrote:I’m currently trying to wagon Shelly because she’s scum this game,
Would you like to join my wagon?

Here.

VOTE: shellyc

In post 1839, Hopkirk wrote:Why do I feel like 75% of the vig shots are going to be emotional decisions.

I suppose it helps to be a player that doesn't step on toes, then, doesn't it?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:53 am**

Who's the leading wagon?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:00 am**

My problem with this game is that I followed it for the first 15 pages or so, then it blew up when I was offline. I skimmed through what I could, but after 45 pages we were still gungho for Noraa. The game seems most active while I'm sleeping, and I don't just sit here and read pages on pages of mafia in my free time. So now I pretty much have no idea on what the plan is.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:02 am**

And apparently the game is not active when I am here.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:10 am**

In post 1856, Toogeloo wrote:My problem with this game is that I followed it for the first 15 pages or so, then it blew up when I was offline. I skimmed through what I could, but after 45 pages we were still gungho for Noraa. The game seems most active while I'm sleeping, and I don't just sit here and read pages on pages of mafia in my free time. So now I pretty much have no idea on what the plan is.

Large games are really rough for that.

Noraa is a go, the main disagreement seems to come from whether we put her up first or game it and put her last. Those who aren't 100% sure of Noraa being scum generally vote for Noraa going first. Those who are certain Noraa is scum generally vote for counterwagons so Noraa can be hit third.

Pooky and Tayl0r are 1v1ing where Pooky wants to have Tayl0r nominated, choose him, and then he chooses Noraa. Tayl0r doesn't like this plan and Hopkirk pointed out why it doesn't make much sense for her to take.

Adorable is the largest CW, she had some awkward interactions with Noraa early. There might be other reasons.

Bell has a big scumread on shelly. Shelly also has a big one on Bell I think.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:14 am**

In post 1728, Hopkirk wrote:@Noraa - I'm online and going through stuff and want to interact with you a bit in real time. Idk if I'm starting to buy that 'hard effortposting Noraa' on the last five or so pages feels like town. Can you describe how you feel scum you would react in this scenario (basically to this whole game). literally just shoot me up with a post full of AOE? Also, please don't shoot Lady. I know you don't like their play this game, but it's a town slot and really doesn't have the influence you think.

No. I cannot at all know what I would do as scum here. I'm an unpredictable player. Literally can't even read myself or understand why I do half the things I do as town. My best guess would be that as scum, I'd be pushing some LHF or Taylor hard rn. The reason for pushing LHF is obvious. Those are easy to mislim and as long as someone else is already on that LHF, I can just hide in the shadows and give it a small push. The reason for pushing Taylor is because I can say she is scum TMI-ing. I have actually thought about that this game that maybe she really was scum TMI-ing but Mush had the exact same thought process and I highly doubt the scum team has both of them. Town me wouldn't push her because 1)she TRs me and that makes me feel too bad to SR her and 2)I feel like at least someone believes me
scum me would likely deflect to her right now bc I can, as murder said, I can justify it by saying something like "eyyy this be scum TMI-ing"

Btw you are trying so hard to shift attention that it makes me think ur a big hypocrite. You talk to me exactly like how Murder does except you yourself have been tunneled by LLD before. In fact, you panicked quite a bit when the pressure on you was legit the tiniest speck of dust compared to the pressure placed on me. And I take it you aren't even a noob. Take some time and think about a town!noraa situation cuz you aren't. You are just going with the flow and sussing me when I 100% feel like if LLD had gone thru with the tunneling, you would be dead meat rn. Think about how it feels to have people just be like "Stop fighting. I don't give a shit that you try hard. You're dead now stfu" If you are town, you should be able to understand why I am reacting the way I am.

In post 1737, UNOwen wrote:
In post 1726, Noraa wrote:On this day and _____ that has ended except mod hasn't checked thread yet
so thats two scum games that I promised reads yet never really gave them a high efforted one like promised
Eh, my enduring memory from On This Day is that you kept swinging way after everyone had confirmed-scum you and in _______ you certainly did make a read list despite being done for, it is etched in my mind as about 20% of the reason I got paranoid at the end. I suppose they were not as substantial as this game though.

Q: Why did you think that I should not view you as scum in this game based on the games we have played (at the point you asked me)?

So tell me Uno. On this day was bad right? I was widely SRed and went down really fast.
But then after 2 entire scum games, I went into So many bats and what happened? I was widely TRed. If it weren't for a weak fn targeting me, do you really think I would've died that fast? My playstyle got so much better and I literally fooled everyone to hell and back. You really think it would get twenty billion times worse this fast? I literally 100% of the time make it to endgame if I am scum unless someone guilties me. Does that really not say something about my scum game?

My town game is bullshit compared to my scum game. It is very obvious. Uno you should know. Plus this may be a bad argument but like ... you really think all three games you play with me I will be scum? No. I think you are just being paranoid like duppin. Sure, both games he SRed me in(that have finished), I was scum. But I absolutely think it was paranoia against me that resulted in those. My scum game gets me universally TRed. My town game gets me universally SRed. I think its very clear what's up.

In post 1772, shellyc wrote:
In post 1764, Bell wrote:Sorry, why is uno scum?
i dont have the WIM to do a full casing rn but uno basically tried and maximise townred through SR on noraa and seemingly wanting a lot of credit for it, the positioning around noraa was pretty bus-y, and their play today is trying to poke questions at me without actually solving or making conclusions

..................................................................................
I read shelly wrong in roses and whatever the one that just finished was called(ffery modded it)
But ... I'm getting a lot of scum vibes. These aggressive pushes on me remind me a ton of scum!shelly tunneling. The prob is that I thought shelly was scum in the game ffery modded for tunneling my slot but she was a JKer :/
I want to hear some cases on shelly bc there are times where I am certain she is an alignment but this one isn't one of those....

In post 1785, Bell wrote:
In post 1783, shellyc wrote:i'd swap fidget -> zdenek in your solve but the rest of this seems quite solid

p-edit: why re you so confident in lld's ability to find scum
Supportive scum Shellyc tactic #2.

explain please I don't understand

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:17 am**

I'll be popping in and out but Saturday is my DnD day.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:27 am**

I'll keep my vote on Noraa, but I will vote Taylor if needed.

If there is no other plans, I'm not sure why this is being drug out.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:28 am**

In post 1861, Toogeloo wrote:I'll keep my vote on Noraa, but I will vote Taylor if needed.

If there is no other plans, I'm not sure why this is being drug out.

you even reading the thread? Have you seen me case myself? have you seen my explanations? my reads?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:29 am**

Honestly, consider my vote on anyone other than LLD or Pooky.

PEdit: Nope.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:31 am**

Actually, I remember liking MurderCat too, so I probably wouldn't vote them either.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:33 am**

can you go read them?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:34 am**

Noraa, you have 168 posts. Why don't you point me to the posts you want me to read.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:35 am**

Spoiler:

In post 1667, Noraa wrote:I got eliminated in three of my games this week so I'll have a lot more time to dedicate to this game. An hour ago I started ISOing and currently I have a read on everyone ... until I got lazy at the end but I might finish it up tomorrow. Have an unfinished reads list. I efforted these quite a bit so please set some time aside to read it. I am finally not overgamed(I had 9 games going on but 1 ended and I just got eliminated in 3 others recently so I finally have a clearer view on everything)

Reads incoming in a few minutes.

In post 1668, Noraa wrote:A read for everyone here(I did it by ISO as to make my job much easier otherwise I would've gotten a headache reading the whole entire thread). No one gets excluded

Adorable

Spoiler:
post 244 is this slots opening post and to be absolutely and brutally honest, I still do not like it. Generally, when I see a post sussing me while I'm under a lot pressure, I will never like it but I have taken a hot break and I still don't like it. This means that it's no longer a "I was being emotional" type of thing but rather a much more fair and solid read. "Not understanding why I am being defensive" is a really interesting thing to say here. The reason is that 1)newbies are always defensive. Regardless of my wins/losses, I am a newbie with a little over 2 months of time on ms and that is a fact no one can question. 2)rather than asking why I am being defensive which many people have already pointed out, just state whether its town indicative or scum indicative from your pov. That all aside, I think I am not that convinced this slot is scum anymore. Every single post from this user oozes newbtells. There are 0 independent arguments and every argument is some sort of OMGUS(ie SR on Uno and SR on me). I relate to this on a spiritual level. No matter how many people are sussing me(pressure doesn't matter, any amount will suffice), I will legit just OMGUS the fuck out of them. I always try to justify it otherwise but really ... let's talk facts. Im a noob. I hate pressure. I OMGUS. This is my form of self protection and tho it looks stupid/scummy, it is what it is for now. I hope for that to change as well since it really doesn't help with scum hunting but I can't really do anything about it rn cuz I haven't progressed past the point where I stop caring about pressure and just do my own thing. My reads are still heavily influenced by pressure. This is proven in all of my town games (if anyone wants straight up evidence, I can provide it) This slot oozes newb and reminds me a lot of myself except less active(a lot less active actually). Throwing away all of my SRs on this slot for now. Hot take this slot is just
newbtown
.

Bell

Spoiler:
first glance over and this slot has a lot of LAMISTing(ie posts 125, 139, 520, etc). I think that's slightly scum indicative bc, I generally don't say a lot of that type of stuff as town but I think it could just be play style and im too lazy to meta dive you. I really liked your defense of me at the beginning tho. It was very reasonable and I believe that if I was seeing a newbie slot get tunneled like this, I would also reply like that. I really like the courage there bc I do believe that getting involved in things like this and disagreeing with people taking up town leader positions can often result in you getting thrown straight under the bus. Generally, when I am NOT the person getting tunneled, I have zero fear as town so I think zero fear is town indicative. Indecisiveness(imo) is also for the most part, town indicative. You had a lot of hmm is Noraa scum? Nah maybe they are town. Or maybe they are scum. Etc, etc. This reminds me of my pms with mods when I am a pr. It literally looks like this:
Noraa shoots blah
. Wait wait no
Noraa shoots other blah
. Wait actually no
Noraa shoots other other blah
. Wait no no no
Noraa shoots other blah
. Wait wait wait wait wait
Noraa shoots other other blah
. Argh sorry mod
Noraa shoots other blah
. final decision
Noraa shoots blah
(that was the first decision ) Indecisiveness, though it is slightly a personality trait for me, is generally town indicative. I find myself so much more certain and less flip floppy when scum yet I have so many doubts and lots of paranoia as town. Also one post that asked if I normally post reads lists early in the game was really good cuz thats like investigating in on some meta and stuff. Your a bit fencesitty about your SRs(I can provide examples if asked) but thats generally how I am as well. I've been trying to actually just stick to one read lately but that ends up biting me in the ass a lot of the times too so idk. still trying to find a balance. You remind me a lot of myself sometimes as well. I want to say this slot is likely
town
for now.

Fidget

Spoiler:
Post 36 and 290 scare me. Unlike Bell whose whole play here has been LAMIST-y, your's doesn't stay LAMIST. only the entrance is lamist and that is really scary. I always think first impressions are the most important(ironic cuz I blew mine but nonetheless, I do think this) One of my pretty close online friends once told me that no matter what, everyone will always remember the first impression you left on them. Whether or only subconsciously or like it was just yesterday depends on the person. When you come in with that super LAMIST entrance but then drop it immediately, I get really worried you are just faking a really town look first and dropping it and relaxing once you realize the pressure all got sucked away into a Noraa vortex of doom. You really only talk about me. Every post somehow relates to me. Your reads on everyone have something to do with me. Meaning you are doing 100% preflip analysis and every single read is only true if I flip red. I 100% see that as a hohoho guys I have reads that are all based on Noraa flipping red. And AHA when she flips green, I can just be like ana oop turns out preflip analysis aint that hot eh. Excuse me for not having reads now cuz horrible Noraa lead me astray with her terrible awful playstyle. Most of your posts are 100% sheeping/buddying(ie posts 296(buddying LLD), all the isis buddying, 1265(buddying mush)) or 100% preflip analysis. No posts directly scream preflip analysis but its very clear that she is basically everything off of a red Noraa flip and when that doesn't happen, nothing she says she can't take back. I think this slot is
scum
aorn.

Flea

Spoiler:
I don't have much to say here but I think overall, I agree with literally almost every single post from this user. Well, I ... conditionally agree. Meaning if I was a townie watching myself get tunneled in the current situation, I would have basically the exact same thoughts as Flea as town but VERY different thoughts as scum. As scum, I would just push myself and pocket LLD. This means win/win for scum cuz they aren't even gonna get any SRs for jumping on cuz I was legitimately just playing scummy as fuck, being defensive as fuck, and just failing so badly at obvtowning. Plus pocketing LLD = a big shield that is right in front of you at all times cuz a bigger presence is much more noticeable and will get blamed more likely regardless of alignment. By far the most similar person to me.
TR
.

Gloria

Spoiler:
zero content. absolute lurker. two posts. I hate policy lims but if we are doing one, this is the slot to do it on. that may sound mean but I highly doubt we will get anything out of this slot if they continue with whatever they are doing and im always really paranoid that lurkers are scums cuz if they don't talk, ya can't sort. And if they be scum, ya still can't sort :/ This slot is a big question mark and a
null
.

Hopkirk

Spoiler:
I got lazy. Interpreting what all the verse meant got tiring after a literal 2 posts. I'm going to throw you in the
null
for now. I'll sort you as the day goes on.

LLD

Spoiler:
I can't sort this slot fairly because I literally want this slot to be scum so much that I don't even know what my read is anymore.

Lapsa

Spoiler:
I cannot follow anything of your progressions. I see zero progression in fact. But I feel like I'm obligated to give you a null cuz I gave Gloria a null and there's not a huge difference. Yeah, you 100% seem more opportunistic but I mean its unfair cuz Gloria hasn't said anything about the game and thats worse imo.
Null but scum lean
. None of your votes are justified and you don't engage anyone.

Murder

Spoiler:
Pretty annoyed at this slot atm. I hate that someone that has legit played a whole game with town!me and knows that im a big baby when it comes to not being stubborn, won't hear me out. He claims he engages me and shit but every time it reads to me like "Just fucking accept you are dead bitch. Now calm your ass and solve the whole game for me if you are town. If you don't, then ur scum" I feel forced to give reads but then you just come around and are like "oop well it doesn't matter cuz ur dead meat anyways" When Mush says it, it's different. You know why? Because mush understands that I fucked up but is unwilling to save me. You, on the other hand are basically pressuring me to give reads, pressuring me to not be antitown when I am mad, and constantly just being like "stop being mad noraa. ur dying anyways" That logic doesn't click with me and constantly just repeating the same damn thing to me isn't gonna get you whatever tf it is that you want from me. All you are gonna do is make me MAD. I'm throwing you in my SRs because I believe that town!you would see the town in me considering I am the exact same stubborn and stupid that I was in Roses. You aren't not seeing it. You know it is true but you know I am an easy lim as scum so you are pushing me hard. Thats the best I can interpret your play this game. I think you are
scum
.

Mush

Spoiler:
town
asf. there is no question. your play is 1000000% the same as the last game I was in with you where you were town and I was scum. It's a shame the one game I get to be the same alignment, I fucked myself over.

Pooky

Spoiler:
I don't know. I have trouble reading slots with this playstyle. Jokes can only go so far before they start looking like absolute trolling. I sincerely do not know and have flip flopped multiple times on you. I think I will throw you in the
null
.

Shelly

Spoiler:
ok I struggle with reading shelly and get really paranoid bc she has fooled me all the way before. In roses, I was hard tunneling her slot but she replaced in and I got really paranoid but then was like hmmm these reactions are townie. I ended up dropping the SR and untunneled. She coasted a tiny bit and threw me all the way off. I ended up tunneling elsewhere and almost drove a mislim when she was the last scum. This game, I've gotten quite some scum vibes. The problem is that based on my knowledge from playing with her, when she seems town, she is scum. When she seems scum, she is town. But in the Roses mafia pt, she said that she knew a lot of the players and was going to not play her normal scum game and now im extremely paranoid. I think you are scummy bc of all the buddying up to LLD, all the weird interaction with Bell(if that interaction was SvT, I think you are the scum), also bc of some really weak reasoning(ie post 68) I am absolutely paranoid and I currently still somewhat believe my read is correct so this is a
SR

Taylor

Spoiler:
town
asf. exact reasons as mush. anyone SRing, should meta dive. It's clear she is town. no question at all. I've learned to trust you, Taylor. The reason is that .... you don't really lie to be absolutely honest. I can explain this once its legal otherwise it breaches ongoing game rules so currently I cannot yet.

Theta

Spoiler:
Agreed with Isis on a TR here but flipped a few times and now this slot's
null
. Also im getting tired so the rest of the explanations r gonna be shorter. Edit: they basically dne

Titus/VaultDweller

Spoiler:
VaultDweller I had a scum lean/scumread on. Titus ... eh. Seems to be efforting more than normal. I have trouble reading replacements right away ... they throw me off. I'd like to re-sort this slot later so I'll lower the SR to a
null
for the time being

Toogeloo

Spoiler:
idk
null
for now

Uno

Spoiler:
idk
null
for now

Vaxkiller/Isis

Spoiler:
idk
null
for now

Zdenek

Spoiler:
idk
null
for now

I might go in and finish up the last few ISOs tomorrow but rn im tired. Im going to bed and they r gonna stay null for now.

In post 1677, Noraa wrote:Last thing, I don't think most of town is even convinced im scum. I don't really think its a consensus read because I feel like everyone has had these reads shoved down their throat. I think killing me is 100% a policy lim. Limming off a bad playstyle that actually proves to be helpful to town in the long run(statistics show this :3 I lead 2/3 town games to victory) is not a good choice imo. I'm selling for a pretty fair price. Im annoying, stubborn and useless for a lot of the game but can be extremely helpful towards the end. Doesn't have to be endgame. The longer into the game, the better my play gets. Go meta dive if you don't believe me.

In post 1722, Noraa wrote:
In post 1709, UNOwen wrote:Noraa's read list was interesting enough, but she is very
capable of high effort as scum in this situation
. It's a bit mean if she is town but we are in a game state where there appears to actually be an overwhelming majority that thinks she is scum so I believe the best way forward is to clarify that at the first opportunity. Going through the process of cursing two players while this is hanging over the game does not seem a very smart idea.

Adorable's spiderweb accusation against me which connected together posts from three different players was pretty earnest, which could suggest newbtown. I think it will be possible to get a more solid read there as they post more.
capable =/= will.
I have always ALWAYS as scum claimed that I would post a huge wall. But I have NEVER actually done that. They either didnt get a wall OR they got a rip off short wall. I don't high effort as scum. I'll spam the fucking thread but I will never sit down and spend over an hour just typing up a damn readslist.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:35 am**

Hectic can you fix the spoiler for me?

BBCode doesn't allow nested spoilers. -Hectic

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:37 am**

Shorter form:

1667, 1668, 1677, 1722

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:37 am**

^read these four posts

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:37 am**

And to be perfectly honest, even if I do read them, you won't change my mind that you are still the best person to eliminate today, and the other 2 are just additional information.

You've added too much of a question mark to be ignored at the beginning of the game. No amount of work you put in now will change that, and you need to be sorted.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:39 am**

I disagree. I think every situation where I am town, I have hope. I even normally think that as scum but I believe in it more as town is all.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:39 am**

Town can fuck up and fix it imo. Thats how I always think about it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:41 am**

So you are using self meta to defend yourself? You know who I looked at first on your reads list? Me. As aggressive as I was to you, and you had nothing to say about me.

But I read your 4 posts, you didn't sway me I'm afraid.

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