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One more thing related to the MtG playstyle thread. One of the things in there associated with white is “the player who never catches a deepwolf”. Since I’m associated with white and have had trouble catching deep wolves, it would be so poetic if this was the game where I finally caught a deepwolf, and alisae was the deepwolf in question.

I like the magic thing. It's like a myers briggs but for scummers

-m

In post 1851, kookiemonster wrote:I like the magic thing. It's like a myers briggs but for scummers

-m

ur either blue, green, or white. idk which ones.

The bottom 3 are slots that I'm still sorting in some form even in spite of a definitive read. My take with the townflip was that it implies scum on the wagon but with the speed at which the lim occurred alongside no counterwagon, scum were not in a position to deflect attention on another slot and had the ability to argue against other votes. This analysis revolves around a perceived gamestate, so I'm not confident between what's likelier scum or town via interactions.

I can agree with the points that has only been active in relation to a few conversations right now, but I'm still not too convinced that the non-guilty was a way to innocent her slot for two reasons:
She wasn't a slot that caught attention and nobody really discussed her hammer throughout Twilight, despite how flippant it seemed.
Very few slots took issue with council but slots as weren't convinced of the reads there, if were true, what does it serve to try and innocent when the thread's progression is to question counciling him in the first place?

, what's your take on progression in the hood? Was there any suspicion amongst you guys in the thread? Because 2/3 of the council entering this dayphase with different reads on each other gives me pause.

With the plan to track and make the assumption that a non-guilty was planned to innocent her via scum-in-council feels like confbias.

My initial take with being a townlean was that she seemed unconcerned with the POVs that the plist had with her and she was transparent with her thought processes via meta and mechanics. The chart she created, while not so clear, did not feel something I'd seen anybody do before? I'm going ISO map and evaluate her more critically.

I'll get to in the incoming post, this read is based a good bit on case but it's something I want to push in light of their entry here.

In post 1778, Infinity 324 wrote:Oh yeah. This.

In post 1366, Purple Heart wrote:went even further to inquiry about this take to people they scumread and townread.

This is a super weak reason to townread someone, asking questions about people's thoughts is super easy to do as scum

This is a nitpick, why are you isolating my reasons behind a read on you instead of looking at the full picture? The context behind the post emphasized why I felt this reason was valid.

In post 1778, Infinity 324 wrote:

They also literally did not have to take me up on my offer in questioning me or even responding to my posts toward them because this slot replaced in with a reasonably articulated level of suspicion. I don't see how scum progresses like this because I find it doubtful that this setup - one that encourages townhunting - would evaluate a slot on their personal merits rather than construct and emphasize a narrative that asserted a potential mislim.

This also feels like he was trying to find a reason to TR me, I don't know why just engaging with taly's posts get's a TR.

Because was a suspected slot and regardless of successors, the suspicion of a predecessor tainting how players view that slot happens a lot.

And this is an oversimplification of my POV... Writing it off as something more simple than it is does not feel sincere.

In post 1778, Infinity 324 wrote:

I also think it's exploitative to try and influence his thoughts much further on the reads he is trying to resolve at the moment.

If taly was worried about being exploitative towards me, he wouldn't have let alisae play the way e did yesterday. I don't buy this.

I was MIA around post 1400 which was the majority of Twilight. If you're referring to EoD, I wasn't present to gatekeep ... also, that's not my primary interest as a head playing with them. I take all of their thoughts with good faith because they're the most trustworthy source to me in this game.

And I was being truthful by not personally pushing you as you stated paranoia because I wanted to know how you resolved it without my specific input. Yes, my idea was something I mentioned to but it was my way of reading you, not others'.

In post 1778, Infinity 324 wrote:

This is slightly a soulread. I don't want to go too much in depth with this right now. I really enjoyed their conversation with

Alisae

and they're one of the players outlining thoughts that aren't as voiced in as much volume as others in this game.

Gamma

is someone I have even more game experience with than

Alisae (if you remove the mindmelding that comes with being a hydra)

and I get the impression that they're solving. I'd like to see them in a hood.

A lot of words to say not much explanation. It's fine to not go in depth on a read but this feels like he added content for content's sake.

This feels like a rehash of the rest of your post here. I'm not saying anything but I am - in fact - giving reasons for my reads?

I made a post prior to this where I would rationalize my thinking with the heals/townreads, I don't know what more you're asking about.

In post 1778, Infinity 324 wrote:

But what I would like for people

to do is evaluate my posts instead of labeling this slot as lockscum due to 1/2 of the heads. I get the impression that people are dismissing my input in favor of asserting an easier read on

Alisae

but we're both the same alignment. It feels easier and noncommittal to criticize only half of the mindset of this slot even though one head has a higher volume of posts that have garnered valid criticism. I support

Alisae's

self-assessment because I have been familiar with their progression and mentality on this site for years, and while their approach may be soundly assessed as manipulative or agenda-based, I haven't concluded their approach themselves as a concrete alignment. But the previous statement merely clouds other people's judgment on the slot, so I want people to take an active approach to this head rather than speak around this head for a stronger solve and idea on my POV.

I did the same thing pretty much and taly doesn't call me out for it? And this also feels weird in the context of taly not talking to alisae and telling em to calm down.

I get barely anything out of this long post.

Murder talk to me.

I thought this was clear... I was directing this to but referenced the playerlist in the italicized, here...
Why doesn't this give you any enlightenment on this slot? What is the disconnect with me this game?
I did calm down and talk a bit through in the PT We just have differing schedules for this game often times.

, it confuses me that your entire take towards this head specifically is to argue my townreads, including my POV on you.

It feels disingenuous because you never followed up 1401 on why 1366 didn't align with a genuine read, you waited to case it later when you were being pushed.

Specifically because you're arguing my slots council heals that you do not agree with, and not my townreads in general. Your argument is that I'm providing little content under the guise of pocketing players, but you don't outline my progression with (someone you agree is town) or (someone that is flipped town) as manufactured.

It makes me wonder if you're deflecting attention elsewhere.

In post 1748, MURDERCAT wrote:You are welcome to make an argument for it, but I think tracy should be the flip today. I think there examples of associations between Gamma and tracy (even just now when I pressed about the read there) but I think I should wait until we get confirmation of tracy's alignment.

Did you anticipate the consensus reverse on a read there so quickly?

In post 1818, kookiemonster wrote:Infinity v Purple is difficult to read tho I'm p confident purple is town and my partner has only helped push that along.

In post 1845, kookiemonster wrote:Infinity is unfortunately probably my next strongest TR right behind Purple :/

What is difficult to read? I can probably make a summary translating , we discussed the case in the PT a good bit.

Also
HEAL: Uncrowned
HEAL: kookiemonster

Just got the consensus on these two heals of in within our PT as I typed this.

In post 1853, Purple Heart wrote:Murder, what's your take on Gamma's progression in the hood? Was there any suspicion amongst you guys in the thread? Because 2/3 of the council entering this dayphase with different reads on each other gives me pause.

Gamma literally posted 3 times to the effect of "sounds good". Infinity and I TRd each other but it was clear there wasn't much to gain from accusing each other in there in my mind. Also my read is in big part due to NKA.

In post 1855, Purple Heart wrote:What is difficult to read? I can probably make a summary translating Alisae, we discussed the case in the PT a good bit.

Infinity looks scummy sometimes but then he looks towny others. difficult to read.

In post 1854, Purple Heart wrote:This is a nitpick, why are you isolating my reasons behind a read on you instead of looking at the full picture? The context behind the post emphasized why I felt this reason was valid.

What about the context behind it made that different?

In post 1854, Purple Heart wrote:Because Koba was a suspected slot and regardless of successors, the suspicion of a predecessor tainting how players view that slot happens a lot.

You seem to disagree with alisae on this—e thinks that approaching a slot differently upon a replacement is scummy. In any case, I can see why you said this but the read is a bit easy. It’s not too hard to re-evaluate a slot on replacement as scum, especially if I thought you were difficult to elim.

In post 1854, Purple Heart wrote:I was MIA around post 1400 which was the majority of Twilight. If you're referring to EoD, I wasn't present to gatekeep Alisae... also, that's not my primary interest as a head playing with them. I take all of their thoughts with good faith because they're the most trustworthy source to me in this game.

I guess? I just feel like alisae was being super manipulative for all of d1 (especially with the “leaving me to die” shit) and letting alisae do that while saying this felt contradictory.

In post 1854, Purple Heart wrote:1) I thought this was clear... I was directing this to Flea but referenced the playerlist in the italicized, here...

Sorry about that, I missed the context of this I think. Tbh I don’t think all of your posts are incredibly scummy, but I think ali is very scummy, and I thought koba was scummy, so that’s good enough for me. I pointed out 1366 because I thought it was a scummy post, and I didn’t think going into a whole case would be useful? Also not sure what you mean by “the council heals you disagree with”, since I think gamma is town and I know I am.

In post 1592, Uncrowned wrote:I'd first like to apologize for being a sook D1 and for how I interacted with Noora. I don't come into games intending to cause issues. I had a stressful couple of days and shouldn't have overreacted and tried to use the game to vent my frustration. That was wrong.

Now for the game. Flea is an interesting selection. Surface level NKA points to Purple potentially wanting that slot dead judging by end of day interactions between the two of them, I think? Will have to peep into that ISO a little more.

I'm not gonna rush into any conclusions. I want to re-think a good amount of people before I decide what the kill means.

Hey quick question I had last night and forgot to ask!

@mcat you responded to purples initial reads in 483 in a really odd order? First yourself which like, i get it. Ego. But then what determined the rest of the order?

Idk probably just as I thought of things to ask

Murder I’m upset

I thought I caught scum but they’re playing too well and no one wants to elim them

I feel like tracy can be a compromise for both for you today
I do need to read the last like 5 pages in depth though

In post 1592, Uncrowned wrote:I'd first like to apologize for being a sook D1 and for how I interacted with Noora. I don't come into games intending to cause issues. I had a stressful couple of days and shouldn't have overreacted and tried to use the game to vent my frustration. That was wrong.

Now for the game. Flea is an interesting selection. Surface level NKA points to Purple potentially wanting that slot dead judging by end of day interactions between the two of them, I think? Will have to peep into that ISO a little more.

Kinda wanna TR this. Feel like scum in this position might be more contrite? There'd be more spectacle about apologizing about bringing RL in imo.

In post 1594, Uncrowned wrote:Also I just realized there's a high ass probability of 2 scum on wagon. This is gonna be fun.

Decent take. But who do you think it is?

In post 1597, Purple Heart wrote:Well um, me and Taly talked about the game a lot over night.
We believe that inaction is the best action for us to take at this moment so...

Why?

In post 1616, MURDERCAT wrote:tracy flick
Noraa
Uncrowned
Purple Heart

Not a lot of room for you to hide, this is the poe

why? I think you're being hasty by townclearing the council

In post 1619, MURDERCAT wrote:Flea dead suggests all town council to me

why, besides "scum didn't have any window into council operations"? Why wouldn't anyone in the council have legitimate reason to shoot flea?

In post 1620, Uncrowned wrote:Cool. That doesn't really matter to me though. Explain that PoE

I'm this close to just full sending it and conf!towning Kookie in my own mind and tunneling everyone on wagon

Gonna be an uphill battle tunneling 5 slots

In post 1633, Uncrowned wrote:

In post 1631, Purple Heart wrote:To be fair, I’m not sure I would be too interested in the OutWorldER map.

I wouldn't say I'm not interested, more just I don't really know what to do with that information yet.

Like I could take it for face value and just say "Look at all the negative interactions with Gamma! CONFIRMED TvS!" but you could've argued the same thing for Flea and that would've ended up being wrong, you get me?

The only thing I'm really set on is the sheer number of positives from OWER/Kookie gives me even more added confidence the slot is town, although I think I'd already determined that based on their engagement with your slot

In post 1645, Uncrowned wrote:Like there's definitely room for inaccuracy here but if I hear about how Gamma has spewed and been super solvey in this council PT while being anything but that in game i'm just not gonna be convinced in the slightest

In post 1657, kookiemonster wrote:

In post 1636, Uncrowned wrote:

In post 1582, Gamma Emerald wrote:Gut says kookie and uncrowned potentially

Didn't even realize this had been posted end of d1

I feel like anyone paying attention to the game in any capacity and gave any sort of care to actually solving would know how implausible this is.

I saw this post and thought it was so slimy.

okay now it's bothering me how much you and uncrowned are saying the same things
can you PLEASE say something with actual nuance??????? This goes to you more than uncrowned

Murcer could you repost the pair speculation you did in the council thread but while NOT TAKING YOURSELF OUT OF THE POSSIBLE PAIRS?

In post 1872, Gamma Emerald wrote:Murcer could you repost the pair speculation you did in the council thread but while NOT TAKING YOURSELF OUT OF THE POSSIBLE PAIRS?

Sure I can do that
The goal was to help me solve though so I don't think it's that weird that I took myself out

In post 1663, kookiemonster wrote:gamma's activity level in this game is VERY low

this misrep is downright criminal