In post 1840, Menalque wrote:I feel like I already explained this? which is that if u were not inducted yet into the hood then u couldn't safely start hard bussing the bomb at start of day, and therefore I was a safe option?
bc either u would get a free elim OR you could always pivot to a bomb!bus once the day had progressed and once u were in the hood. but u wouldn't wanna get locked into bussing the bomb from the start of day and then have to pivot off weirdly halfway through if you still weren't hooded by then
i mean are you talking abt the universe where i'm the day2 inductee?
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:37 am
by Green Crayons
Setup doesn't clarify when the neighborizer effect takes place, only when it needs to happen.
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:39 am
by Dumb and Dumber
i had actually asked notsci cuz i was confused and he said (if i understood correctly):
- if the hood chooses someone during the day, it happens immediately
- if the day ends before someone gets chosen, it's rng'd post-flip and they get added to the hood then
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:39 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
Based on the general trend I see in setups (disclaimer: not a mech expert by any means), I don’t really think that a recruiting role would be an immediate day-role, in the same way that I don’t really think dayvigs are very common
but mena’s argument makes less nonsense than it did before if he thinks this is how it works
pedit: hmm I assumed skitter also misunderstood the reasoning behind mena’s argument due to the role miscommunication. but now it doesn’t seem like that.
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:40 am
by Green Crayons
weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:41 am
by Green Crayons
i obviously did not ask these questions privately because I was the OG recruiter, and decided to blindly use the role
In post 1840, Menalque wrote:I feel like I already explained this? which is that if u were not inducted yet into the hood then u couldn't safely start hard bussing the bomb at start of day, and therefore I was a safe option?
bc either u would get a free elim OR you could always pivot to a bomb!bus once the day had progressed and once u were in the hood. but u wouldn't wanna get locked into bussing the bomb from the start of day and then have to pivot off weirdly halfway through if you still weren't hooded by then
i mean are you talking abt the universe where i'm the day2 inductee?
yea
I mean if u were the D1 inductee then I guess u could start out bussing the bomb if scum, but I prob wouldn't induct u on D1 and so I guess I was expecting others wouldn't either
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:41 am
by Dumb and Dumber
although now that i'm rereading it's a little confusing and maybe i misunderstood when they get added
but the choosing who to add flip is a day action
i'm not sure when the actual adding part happens
pedit i asked notsci as a result of mena posting that theory originally because i realized i didn't understand the timeline
i thought he was talking abt me being the day1 inductee, didn't realize he was talking abt day2
In post 1598, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:.... you think the third scum was bussing a bomb!gamma in order to stay off the murder wagon?
- Daenerys
oh hmmm you're right. then like two scum on MC? gamma + scomeone else?
i didn't actually think through all the implicatiosn ig yet lol
~ skitteR
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:42 am
by Dumb and Dumber
In post 1854, Green Crayons wrote:weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?
idk
it is possible i misunderstood but that is my understanding of the timeline for when things happen
ehhhhh not as much anymore as i was yesterday, his positioning is not great too
i was listing the people on teh gamma wagon (i htink there's at least one scum there) but we can add him to the suspect pool too
~ skitteR
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:44 am
by Dumb and Dumber
lilith what don't you like abt those?
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:47 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
- trying to push gamma as bomb
- while also pushing the people on his wagon as scum
- weird progression on infinity - I straight up didn’t read him as town ever. what did you and auro townread about him D1?
In post 142, Infinity 324 wrote:Shadow, why was lilith saying "can we talk about" in 116 scummy but murder saying "can we talk about skitter" not?
Missed this
Uhh I missed this actually, but I don't mind Murder since he thinks there might be value in pushing skitter a bit and seemed content with letting that play out and didn't like you guys switching focus
I like shadow for town, this post and 149 feel like trying to explain gut reads
@lilith 121 is maybe slightly scum-indicative in general, cause it makes sense for scum to lash back there, but eh
To explain this better, I feel like scum would feel more obligated to address the apparent "contradiction" I brought up in 142 but instead he's just saying what he thinks
This is the first vote on murder I think? It's possible catboi comes in, thinks he needs to bus murder, then sees an opportunity to start a different wagon, but not super occam's razor-y. I also want to stick with my shadow TR.
3) GC previously said catboi has been disgustingly townie. I’m fine with this assessment and also think catboi has been towny. And I think I trust GC’s read, since at most one of them is scum - this is either a genuine read from town!GC or GC is scum and catboi is town anyway.
- Daenerys
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:55 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
I have plans to write one for every slot but I’m not at a computer / will be busy for a few hours
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:56 am
by catboi
In post 1854, Green Crayons wrote:weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?
Or if they're nightkilled. I guess then there are no more recruits? That seems more scumsided than I thought.
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:57 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
the neighborhood doesn’t matter anymore, we just need to find the bomb and kill them.
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:58 am
by Menalque
In post 1864, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I have plans to write one for every slot but I’m not at a computer / will be busy for a few hours
you're doing one on why every slot isn't the bomb? looking forward to mine! glad you came around lili
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:01 am
by Dumb and Dumber
In post 1862, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:- trying to push gamma as bomb
- while also pushing the people on his wagon as scum
- weird progression on infinity - I straight up didn’t read him as town ever. what did you and auro townread about him D1?
Gotta like do work now so i'll circle back to this
yeah this is just mechanics discussion which is NAI or even helpful really at the point, but honestly im being lazy because i'm not making it to elim-or-lose (have we replaced LYLO with another easy to use acronym yet?) and plus I think the best associative tells are already in the thread just waiting for juicy review
In post 1854, Green Crayons wrote:weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?
Or if they're nightkilled. I guess then there are no more recruits? That seems more scumsided than I thought.
yeah I remember scanning the setup and thinking there were some open questions about what happens if the recruiter dies at some point. i think there are fair and neutral mechanics that could be used so that there is always a recruiter, but not necessarily a single right answer, so maybe in the future this part of the setup would need to be made explicit
