White flag #824 game over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my feelings about this game rn:

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GL, my rough thoughts on you being alive are

1) the obvious "could he be scum" and if you are scum in theory I'd want to eliminate your partner and therefore not automatically listen to what you're saying but, I think ultimately the odds of it with your play and interplay with goats are low enough that I'm willing to just lose if it's the case.

2) It's possible scum were more afraid of dwlee being more ambiguous about their reads and/or that scum didn't want to give as much away with them.

I'm having a lot of conflicted thoughts about who I want. I think what I probably

should

do is get some amount of scum meta on Pooky. Pooky is still my gun-to-my-head vote right now.

[implosion]

VOTE: Dwlee99

I see the gimmick alt has arrived

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This is outed actually. He was angry at bugspray being a baboon, implying anger at bugspray's stupidity or lack of reading comprehension. But then he votes bugspray on the basis that they were mafia and intentionally trying to make them look bad. Which makes them scum, not someone who lacks reading comprehension. I think Gamma is mafia who got tilted at being suspected for the wrong reasons by a townie who didn't read their post properly. Which is why he initially calls them a baboon and then switches to a fake reason to attack them after.

And this feels massively over explanatory for page 4/5...

These feel pretty not-partnery as a pair of consecutive posts and the first mention of goats, tbh.

I'm fairly good on goats rn, isn't someone I'd be willing to take into YOLO at this point but I like their style. Your focus on partner-tells is massively worrying for me. Your defence alone justifies goats accusation. Some stretches are good, and get results. Others are just outright awful. Yours on me, is one of the awful ones as you got nothing from it and honestly it looks like a defence attempt using mech as way out.

This (317) also feels pretty non-partnery. The "not someone I'd want to bring to the last day" line feels like something scum would be reluctant to say about a scumbuddy in white flag specifically. Specifically that phrasing.

Those are like, the only real notable instances of ctrl+f'ing goats for flea. There's also this which is, also like, kind of townish.

Enchant's literal only mention was asking NM to extended-quickhammer bloodhail. Which I mean, in principle that's townish but like idfk.

Pooky..... doesn't mention goats until their 144th post?? That is wild. Not even in a quote. They literally vote bloodhail on page 57 as their first acknowledgement of it as another slot in the game.

I don't know what to do with players like this. Like I genuinely don't understand how I'm supposed to conclude anything other than "that's ridiculous and scummy" from that. Like Pooky's excuse presumably is "i was sheeping" but like I just don't care, you aren't playing the gosh dang game at that point if you're town.

This exercise has reaffirmed my first guess of enchant/Pooky (though ofc I'm not even really looking closely at GL atm)

[implosion]

every time i read 210 i panic.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if u really wanna vote me just do it and i'll respond to you in like 2 days if i dont get quick-elimmed

[implosion]

no

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i'm still very much open to limming not-you, in particular possibly enchant if it has better team-dynamics-odds.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

>_>

[Flea The Magician]

I am tempted to stick with my gut, and go GL. Because they really have no been sitting well with me at all.

[implosion]

Well I think there's a solid chance both of you are town so I'd appreciate if you could reconsider since we're in limlo.

How do you square GL being scum with goats's aggressive tunnel of him on day one?

[implosion]

Alternatively do you have any reason I should vote GL other than your gut?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you think Flea/GL are both town, which means you think the scum team is me/enchant

and I've just been repeating "i want to kill enchant" like an game throwing nub for the last 3 days?

[implosion]

Do you think it's ench/flea right now?

[implosion]

At this particular moment I feel very non-confident in everything.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why do you think there is a "solid chance" that GL and Flea are both town?

[implosion]

because they're the two people I think are individually towniest.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you explain those two townreads?

[implosion]

Flea is much weaker. Read is based on some gut around a couple of things they said that I maybe shouldn't give as much weight to as I am (like the semi-townslip) and the post I made above about faer posts toward goats.

GL is fairly robust. His play throughout a lot of the game has reminded me very strongly of his play in coalition, where I also correctly townread him quickly. His reaction to goats from day one, the way he was getting frustrated at them, was pretty town then and it's probably more town now with goats's flip. The aesthetic of goats and GL arguing was that goats was absolutely sold on GL being scum and didin't care about a single thing GL did or said, while GL was trying to get back into the game from being wagoned and responding to all of goats's posts and generally just being frustrated by goats's erroneous reasoning. That aesthetic I think strongly suggests GL town. 293 is a very strong reason to townread him on its own. His play has fallen off over the course of the game but, well, so has mine and everyone's and I can't really blame him. I can give more if you want.

Tbh, 1862 is kind of making me want to vote flea. I'm not sure you'd make that post if it was you/enchant and you are right, though you haven't done it recently you were out for Enchant's blood in a way I'm not sure is partnered. And I am getting some town vibes from you right now. There is one way to play this game which is that, if I can convince myself/whoever the other town is that myself and GL are town then we just need to eliminate one scumteam and vote the third. Or like, figure out which of the three of you is the best vote.

Part of my problem is that all three of you have, in my mind, just not been playing the game all that much, in different ways. Flea has been gone because of RL stuff, Enchant has basically half been an extension of NM quickhammering and half gone with the flow of the wind with no rhyme or reason to who they've been pushing, and you gave up and started sheeping two days ago and said we should eliminate you yesterday so we don't today. It's just really hard to sort through when it feels like so many players have been skirting along in different ways and not confronting the meat of the game. NM is a part of that too, though of course he's gone now.

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I am quite curious what GL thinks of this page as well.

[Enchant]

That's a bit reason, why i thinked Pooky is mafia at first place. While was active on other game (it ended, no worry), here's is... Passive. Issue is now i realise, almost everyone else falled in apathy, for one reason or another. And i could still be wrong. So i really try to look objective on it.


Sorting Pooky is impossible for me, he will easily fool us regarless. He could be any alignment and with any partner and will perfectly hide. It's atleast stereotipical to expect.

implosion more likely town, he is only one really here, sorting. And can't really find link with anyone, so don't know who is his partner. If only mafia sorting, we doesh't deserve win at first place.

Flea is almost not existant. I don't know why you think he is town. Could be with anyone.

GL answers once per year, but answers... More fully, but there's visible chain with Flea. Also SUDDENLY changed mind last day with "Oh well, it's Enchant/NM then!"


Either way. Choose is Pooky or Flea for me. While GL or Implosion can be mafia as well, there's less "teams". Again, if Implo mafia, we lost already. So i simple tossed coin between two (yes i did, blame later).

VOTE: Flea. Let's roll.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol

"I tossed coin"

thats one way to do it buddy

ill wait to see if theres a quick elim and then maybe try to think this thru if we are actually still playing tomm

[implosion]

Interesting.

[Flea The Magician]

Well I think there's a solid chance both of you are town so I'd appreciate if you could reconsider since we're in limlo.

How do you square GL being scum with goats's aggressive tunnel of him on day one?

What makes you think I'm not reconsidering? Why so defensive of GL?

[Flea The Magician]

Casual misgendering noted ftr.
And admittedly if I knew I was going to be this deep in the mental doo-doo I would've bailed.

Even in minimal posting I am quite readable imo. Chaotic, yes, but there's no reason nobody here should have a null/PoE read on me imo.