Square Enix Mafia I: Diabolus Erus (GAME OVER)

[MehPlusRawr]

*glances at guys pt. 2, notes how many of those insults pertain to Reck*

[Antifinity]

Will Square Enix Mafia 2 be announced here? Because I certainly don't want to miss that. Being a vanilla townie that survived until the end was actually rather difficult, because really there was no good reason for me to be alive at that point, other than the scum hoping I'd be lynched in their place.

[Chronopie]

I want pre-/in for the next Large SE.

Pre-emptive Claim of Tifa the Awesome Joat.

[MehPlusRawr]

SE2 is already going on as a mini <_<

I liked the part where I got lynched.

[AdumbroDeus]

Argh


I read town perfectly, I knew you guys would realize the elementals were all scum and go after them, that's why I attempted to bus my entire team.



Should've worked too, but bill decided to go pro-town and oppose his win condition.


My only regret is not going with my gut and roleblocking myself instead of thatguy... oh well that and the fact that I'm a newbie here and I haven't had a chance to develop the gravitas Glork has.



I wish I'd been playing since the beginning.





As far as balance goes...

@kise

no neon signs on scum next time, please.

[AdumbroDeus]

But overall, good game everyone.

[Iecerint]

Get an avatar bro. Good first step.

And yeah, Glorky <3.

[AdumbroDeus]

Eh, I should've started using my avatar from the other forum I'm on.


Still, from my play, people should've known I was experienced, it was extremely frustrating getting ignored.

[Iecerint]

I just people mainly based on how much I like their avatars, so I didn't judge you very much.

But maybe that is a sneaky technique as scum.

[AdumbroDeus]

Lol, bad way to figure out scum.


But, I play very vocally always, I never try too avoid being noticed, just avoid being noticed in the wrong way.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: judge*

[Glork]

Eh, I should've started using my avatar from the other forum I'm on.


Still, from my play, people should've known I was experienced, it was extremely frustrating getting ignored.

I actually thought you were the drowning vig for a short while, around when you first replaced in. Your suspicions coincided with the drowned players rather nicely. Ultimately, your behavior towards Bill did you in with the rest of your group. Reading between the lines, you all made it decently obvious that you knew he was scum because of interactions and/or parallels between scumgroups.

A lot of scums (dramonic especially) fell into the trap of being "too" knowledgable about things no townie could properly guess at.

[Kise]

S.E. II is already ongoing in Coney Island. I'm about to head over to Tal's office (for reals) and request part III once I get a PM back from my backup-mod. The next one game was reviewed by RedCoyote & Drips; RC came up with some good ideas, and DGB put the finishing touches on it.

After that, I've got 2 more minis and a little less than a dozen large games. Expect more interactive gameplay, even for VTs.

I agree that Elemental Townie may not have been the best safeclaim, but it was a last ditch effort to fend against the thieves in reality. Of course I couldn't explain to scum that there are thieves on the town's side, and I expected confusion as a result. Something told me at least one of you (DRAM) would think it'd be cool to claim a summon.

I made an honest mistake on Syldra. I saw she appeared in more than one game, but didn't realize she was ONLY an important character in FFV.

[Iecerint]

WHAT?

NO DGB IN MY SE3?

[Kise]

You'll see some of her influence in there.

[AdumbroDeus]

Eh, I should've started using my avatar from the other forum I'm on.


Still, from my play, people should've known I was experienced, it was extremely frustrating getting ignored.

I actually thought you were the drowning vig for a short while, around when you first replaced in. Your suspicions coincided with the drowned players rather nicely. Ultimately, your behavior towards Bill did you in with the rest of your group. Reading between the lines, you all made it decently obvious that you knew he was scum because of interactions and/or parallels between scumgroups.

A lot of scums (dramonic especially) fell into the trap of being "too" knowledgable about things no townie could properly guess at.

Really?

Cause I could honestly say that I would've said and done exactly the same thing if I was town, he was MAD obvious the last day he was alive, and I honestly don't know how anyone didn't figure it out.



His behavior was simply too contradictory, going for the unsafe choice when the entire argument for the second scumgroup was one of safety, in case there was one as opposed to there being legit proof that there was one...


At least till chrono's scummy breakdown.

[AdumbroDeus]

...


Oh wait, I get it.


I seemed overknowledgable because I relied on flavor that figure out what would be considered "common knowledge". I know SquareEnix's stuff incredibly well, and flavor was very very obviously more then flavor in this game.


I think it should've been evident that I was an FF buff when I defended prana's claim WAY back when as reasonable, I grew up on those games. Seiken Densetsu 3, Final Fantasy 6, Dragon Quest, etc. I figured that people would research the flavor and with prodding come to the same conclusions I was coming to. I guess not.


Screwed cause I expected people to be more effective then they actually were, lol @ the irony.

[Iecerint]

PD screwed up his claim IIRC. So.

[PranaDevil]

PD screwed up his claim IIRC. So.

Nah, my claim was perfect. Everyone else screwed up.

[AdumbroDeus]

*looks at Kjata*

Nah, it looks right.





Anyway Kise, the bigger problem was the voting interactions were big neon signs when somebody lied and it was way too easy to metagame that the elementals were scum, especially given the flavor you gave and how there were complete sets. If I were town, my first action in this game would be to call for a mass elemental claim, kill everyone that was elemental, and use the votes to figure out who lied.

Heck, I was reading up on the game when I got your initial message and had already figured it out, I'm just surprised nobody else did.


I was literally sweating trying to figure out a way to KILL MY SCUMMBUDDY in a way that didn't reveal I was fire elemental, we even considered NKing him ourselves.

[Glork]

...


Oh wait, I get it.


I seemed overknowledgable because I relied on flavor that figure out what would be considered "common knowledge". I know SquareEnix's stuff incredibly well, and flavor was very very obviously more then flavor in this game.


I think it should've been evident that I was an FF buff when I defended prana's claim WAY back when as reasonable, I grew up on those games. Seiken Densetsu 3, Final Fantasy 6, Dragon Quest, etc. I figured that people would research the flavor and with prodding come to the same conclusions I was coming to. I guess not.


Screwed cause I expected people to be more effective then they actually were, lol @ the irony.

No, it had nothing to do with flavor. But I pointed directly at your

ENTIRE

scumgroup in this post, because by then your interactions had made it extremely obvious that you were all scum together.


I don't really feel like going into the details, mostly because I don't like giving away many of my scumhunting tactics, but I would suggest that you read D4 and D5 up to the linked post and see if you can't understand how the four of you made yourselves known scum.

[Glork]

EBWOP: Another hint -- the fact that I mistakenly said you didn't go after anyone but Bill is also a clue as to how I knew you guys were scum.

[AdumbroDeus]

Again, you're sort of missing the question of why I wouldn't have done that as town?


Outing the last member of a mostly dead scumgroup while at the same time implicating 2 members of the opposing scumgroup if my lynch candidate flipped scum was not a pro-town play?


Then I'd ask you to explain what I should've done in that situation assuming I was town privately at some point.

[AdumbroDeus]

Also, I made a cute fuzzy kitten defense page! It's right here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... se#History

[Glork]

Back to this:

Ultimately, your behavior towards Bill did you in with the rest of your group. Reading between the lines, you all made it decently obvious that you knew he was scum because of interactions and/or parallels between scumgroups.

A lot of scums (dramonic especially) fell into the trap of being "too" knowledgable about things no townie could properly guess at.

It's not the fact that you went after Bill. It's the manner and timing in which you (and dram, and Chrono) all latched onto Bill that made you obviously scum.

Start here and compare yours/Chrono's/dram's posts to mine/Anti's/Midnight's.





There is also one thing tactically incorrect that all of the scums did, too, but it's actually a much smaller tell compared to this whole Bill thing.