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Post Post #1875 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:34 pm

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I chose enchanted arms because my other top choice would've been gauntlet dark legacy.
don't you feel silly now?
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Post Post #1876 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:35 pm

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And I really screwed shit up, sorry guys.
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Post Post #1877 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:13 pm

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Living Players (2)

SpyreX:
Nice game. Well played, you have my respect back.
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: I wish I vigged you instead of Dram, Dram would have contributed more. You played lousy, and rode Spyrex's gambit to a W.

Game Over (15)

Meransiel:
Such an OBV Scum-Waste Lynch, I wish more people saw it because I didn't think you were as worthless as some.
Hiraki
: Such a bad Scum you deserved what you got.
GreyICE
: Like Kurbio, a bit too aggressive for my liking
dramonic:
It was a waste of a shot if you ask me. I was just so sure you had some thing going with Hiraki. I wish I could take it back and keep Rolestop.
ToastyToast:
I thought you got a pretty bad wrap this game, yeah you had a few scum/dumb moments, but nothing to get blown up IMO.
AGar:
I like Agars play usually, though I was a bit bummed about the Rage-Bomb on Toasty
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: God Damn you had a tough job cleaning up Maru's mess and in the long run I let that and your short-sitedness on me really blind me on that mislynch.
MagnaofIllusion:
I really don't get the hate against MoI, I thought he performed exceptionally.
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: Wow, I wish you would have just got your facts straight before you started spouting off. I'm sorry about that lynch. It almost feels worse than the LLD one.
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: Up until the day you got lynch I thought pretty solid scum-play.
Fate:
Nice replace in, I wish I could get over my fear of scum-fate sooner in these games, because once I realize you're town you're dead the next night.
RayFrost:
Your lynch was a push but by the time I accepted to believe Spyrex's claim you were the easier lynch than Kuribo (spelled it right!). I actually had a pretty solid read on you until you let fate die.
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My god you are an asshole, and really narrow minded. I don't like that you go into games with BROS and trust them till the end and alternately pick people like me to rage on no matter what happens/ed. I can see you're a strong player, but I think I was just on the wrong end of perceived newbie rage.
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: This guy was obvtown from Day 1, thank god no body lynched him.
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: Really you should be ashamed, your lack of effort was definitely a major factor in this town loss. If you're not interested replace out.

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Post Post #1878 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:48 pm

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Maxous played really well in the "Hi Im scum but you won't lynch me till LyLo" aspect, which I suppose is good if you're a scum PR

LLD was pretty clearly town and I'm surprised you didn't realize this when I did. That was a huge reason I never really trusted you how you strongarmed that lynch through after I didn't want it. A Seraphim lynch would've been beautful there, and it would've pidgeonholed SpyreX into having only one scummyass fuck to clear, his buddy.

Hiplop next time l2claim. "Oh hi im a mason" is really cheeky and not informative to the rest of us, botching your claim and not going "hold on let me ask the mod exactly what actions we've used." That mislynch would've been swung onto Kdowns withotu Spy having the chance to clear him, and would've won us the game imo.

If you had a solid town read on Ray why did him letting me die change that? Wouldn't Rayscum have killed someone else that he DIDNT bodyguard and gone AHA scum are afraid of me? You had the right connection hat Kdowns was scum RB he CLAIMED Scum RB ffs. Then your townread ends up roleblocked so you... lynch him?

And you see why I thought you were scum with SpyreX? "If he nokilled to set-up his claim thatd be brilliant" really? Brilliant? Inconcievable for him to blatant softclam investigation shit and then not die and "oho they shot me didnt they"?

Meh

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Post Post #1879 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:58 pm

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WrathChild wrote:kuribo: My god you are an asshole, and really narrow minded. I don't like that you go into games with BROS and trust them till the end and alternately pick people like me to rage on no matter what happens/ed.


Except I didn't trust SpyreX to the end, just that it got to a point where the two of you said you trusted him. I mean, again, look at some of the things you guys posted. In the end, it got to the point where I had to do SOMETHING, since both of you were all "I trust SpyreX" and especially with Ray believing both me AND SpyreX. (Which, as I said, would actually make him scum) If you can't clearly see why I would think you were scum in that endgame, well then I don't think there's much I can tell you that will help improve your play. Learn your lesson the first time around like I should have the first time, and know that SpyreX-scum is to be feared.

So from your point of view, I'm "narrow minded" for tunnelling on you. From my point of view, I'm attacking obvious scum. And you can say all you want that your actions on the Hiraki wagon and whatever should have confirmed you--- but once it gets to the point where you yourself are the one pointing it out? It's useless to me. I've seen scum do some fucked up shit in order to get town points.

And again, stop with that crap about picking on a newbie. I don't pay attention to regdates, I don't know or care how many games you've been in.

Fate wrote:Maxous played really well in the "Hi Im scum but you won't lynch me till LyLo" aspect, which I suppose is good if you're a scum PR


the case I laid out on Maxous the day of his lynch was a thing of beauty and backed him into the corner from which there could never be escape. even reading the dead QT and scum QTs, you can see they didn't go into that day expecting to lose anyone, but you and I we made them give us his blood, and it was fucking glorious.
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Post Post #1880 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:27 pm

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I wasn't the only one who thought I was town. From my perspective you're case against me was, "you are a dumbshit scum" when I was painfully town and had proof to back it up. So I took that as you being a narrow minded asshole. I mean come on, I'm right right? You seem to take pride in being that way. Am I right?
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Post Post #1881 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:43 pm

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THERE IS NEVER PROOF THAT ANYONE IS FUCKING TOWN AS LONG AS THEY ARE ALIVE

YOU


FUCKING


HAD


NOTHING


NOTHING WHATSOFUCKING EVER


GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND UNDERSTAND THAT FOR YOUR OWN GOD DAMN GOOD IN FUTURE PLAY
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Post Post #1882 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:44 pm

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Your entire "proof" was that some guy was dead and that you were one of the first aboard the Hiraki wagon.

NONE OF THAT MEANS A FUCKING THING.
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Post Post #1883 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:46 pm

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Much thanks to Faraday and Empking for helping to design this setup. We decided to keep things relatively non-crazy for this game, but we still threw in some interesting roles. Some of the roles did come about more for flavor reasons than gameplay reasons, which is not necessarily ideal, but I'm reasonably happy with how it worked out. One unfortunate consequence of the UPick nature of this game is that I was much more likely to give you an interesting role if you selected a game that was both conducive to one, and a game that I was familiar with. For example, it's a lot easier to give someone a cool role from a game like Starcraft than it is to give one from a game like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. If I run a similar game again, I'll think about ways to potentially let players choose their own roles and characters, but that has its own problems in terms of game balance and people trying to exploit player meta.

I should point out that I realized too late that I made a mistake in the setup. We had originally planned for WrathChild's rolestop to be one-shot as well, but I just slipped and left that out for some reason when I wrote the role PM. I didn't realize it until he decided to use his vig shot, so it turned out to not be such a big deal. Also, the mechanics of the neighbor/JOAT interactions were not as smooth as I had envisioned. They were made to be intentionally weak for balance reasons, but there was probably a better way to handle the ability interactions that would still make sense in terms of TWEWY flavor. Again, it didn't really matter since they were blocked N1 and Grey was killed the following night.

In case people haven't figured it out by now, my games usually have some degree of subversiveness in the setup. Miller (two, in fact) and godfather without a cop was intentional. Loading the town with protective roles and a backup was also a design choice, but the mass roleblocker was the mafia's way to counter this. When kdowns used his power N1 without gaining the benefit of the unblockable mafia kill, I thought that was a fairly big blow to the scum because I figured the mass roleblock would have been useful later in the game.

After that, plus the Hiraki lynch, I thought the town was in fairly good shape. Unfortunately, both vigs misfired, leading to a string of town deaths, and suspicion started falling on all the wrong players. At one point during D3, I thought the three remaining scum might have been the three least suspected players in the game. I thought SpyreX clearing Seraphim was an odd move because Seraphim looked like a good mislynch target during mylo, but it all worked out. By D5, the town simply didn't put themselves in a position where they could absorb another mislynch, even though I think they started to play a bit better at that point.

Thanks everybody for playing. I welcome all comments, criticisms, and suggestions. Since this is a UPick with a huge pool of source material, it can easily be run again. I'll probably run it during a marathon weekend or something. I don't have plans to run it as a large theme again, but if anybody wants to, they have my permission. I'd actually be interested in playing in this type of game myself.

By the way, the selection of Chrono Trigger for the scene of what I expected to be the last day of the game was intentional *hint hint, points at sig*.
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Post Post #1884 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:50 pm

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so wait

Does that mean you basically made it godfather because he was Italian?

that's awesome.
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Post Post #1885 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:58 pm

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Kdub wrote:For example, it's a lot easier to give someone a cool role from a game like Starcraft than it is to give one from a game like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater.


Yeah, I know. I just like busting Scott Brosius' balls about needing to be more imaginative.
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Post Post #1886 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:19 pm

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Hi game.

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Post Post #1887 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:53 am

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Kdub wrote:For example, it's a lot easier to give someone a cool role from a game like Starcraft than any other game ever.


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Post Post #1888 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:42 am

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Good game Mafia, and specifically Spyrex and Maxous. Kdowns and Hiraki were both obvious and got pressure Day 1 from it.

I eagerly await reading the Mafia QT. I expect it to be filled with lots of lulz about Town terrible choices in Power usage.

Thanks again for the game as always Kdub. As usual nicely played ModWIFOM on dual roles (double Miller) and no Cop with Miller / Godfather. I do apologize for gaming the system and forcing you to pretty much make me Town (unless you wanted to go psycho with flavor mixing) with my game choice. Unless you wanted to make me a generic Orc or something I knew there was not a single villain to be found in that game.

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Yeah, that was terrible. He would have been Mod blacklisted by me if he had flipped Town after this and other performances I have seen. Still might be … I’m mulling.

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Kuribo wrote:oh, irony of ironies in the dead QT: MoI calling me an idiot after he ran LLD up the flagpole

gg dummy


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Post Post #1889 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:58 am

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again, solid play on the LLD lynch
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Post Post #1890 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:24 am

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and how is what I did any different from you defending ray and wrath? Two guys whose alignment you couldn't have known, even going so far as to threaten people that dared question them

that is really stupid townplay, stifling conversation like that, and LLD was right about your best newbie title
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Post Post #1891 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:36 am

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kuribo wrote:and how is what I did any different from you defending ray and wrath? Two guys whose alignment you couldn't have known, even going so far as to threaten people that dared question them

that is really stupid townplay, stifling conversation like that, and LLD was right about your best newbie title


The difference, sadly, is that you keep saying I'm a moron when I suspected more Scum than you did, properly defended more Town under fire than you did, pushed on less Town players than you did and died earlier than you because I was as bigger threat. Lulz indeed.

I love the crying about the title. Classic sign of a weak personality who somehow thinks shots like that are meaningful in any way other than making themselves look childish.
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Post Post #1892 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:49 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:Top Pool -
Spyrex, Kdowns, Maxous,
Seraphim, Rayfrost Middle pool - Ant, Wrath, LLDBottom Pool - kuribo, Fate


And for the records - this is why I don't give a flying fuck when I see people go "Mafia isn't math". I've highlighted the scum in that post I made.
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Post Post #1893 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:51 am

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defending people that turn out at the end to be town without being confirmed by your own role does not make you good at mafia

neither does "attacking less town" because unless you're willing to cast a wide net, you will let scum slip through

and you died earlier than me because spyrex was trying to pin it on fate

not only did you give spyrex a pass, you lynched obvtown LLD instead
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Post Post #1894 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:53 am

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In [url=1892 [/url], MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In [url= 1089[/url], MagnaofIllusion wrote:Top Pool -
Spyrex, Kdowns, Maxous,
Seraphim, Rayfrost Middle pool - Ant, Wrath, LLDBottom Pool - kuribo, Fate


And for the records - this is why I don't give a flying fuck when I see people go "Mafia isn't math". I've highlighted the scum in that post I made.

oh please, you highlighted one post where you named the scumteam in a pool of five. You also thought fate and I were scum in the dead qt. I guess a stopped clock really can be right twice a day
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Post Post #1895 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:54 am

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kuribo wrote:not only did you give spyrex a pass, you lynched obvtown LLD instead


You suspected Ovb-Town Wrath. Your point is typical Ego driven - When I do something it's because I'm good Town. When someone else does it they are morons.

Where did your role PM clear LLD again? OH wait, that's right .... double standards for the win ...

Go back to your ECW avatars Kuribo - they much more clearly summarize your personality and approach to the game
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Post Post #1896 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:55 am

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Trust me, MoI almost made me shit my pants when I saw his math post.
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Post Post #1897 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:59 am

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wrath was not obvtown, you stupid fuck. And I never said LLD was confirmed town, just that you were an idiot for lynching herm and I damn sure didn't threaten anybody for suspecting her.

every fucking bit of wraths defense was "BUT I'm SO TOWN" and whining if anyone dared suspect him.

you weren't good town, you're an overrated dumbass with his head so far up his rear end, he eats his own feces for lunch

let me be clear, if I traded you for a bucket of shit, I'd have to give the bucket back
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Post Post #1898 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:25 am

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anyway mags, we could go on like this forever, you calling me an aggressive asshole and me calling you a pompous windbag. But how about we just agree to vig one another next time I replace into a game you're in?
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Post Post #1899 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:35 am

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The mafia were determined randomly before anybody submitted their game choices.
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