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I may be due to die then...

Get on here Molla and drop the hammer!

:/

Good luck

VOTE: Minions

Though the first few days after the final four were decided were filled with talk, the rest were beset by a thick silence, each person not willing to make a move yet, and possibly hoping the others would.

Slowly but surely, though, nomination votes piled on for Minions, and before long, he was the majority.

"Very well, Minions, this is your first time being the HoH, is it not?" Julie asks. "And perhaps it might be the last. For now, I'm sure you recall what to do. Be sure to give me your nominees soon."

"are you read?" Julie asks, and Minions nod. "Then please state your picks."

"I choose BBmolla and F-16," Minions says.

"Very well, please take your seats." BB and F-16 do so as Julie looks at Toogeloo (or at least as well as that can be represented by the screen. "Toog, please make your way to the voting booth and choose who you wish to have evicted."

Both BBmolla and F-16 were tense and nervous as they waited for Toog to come out of the voting booth. Neither could be entirely sure that Toog would vote the other, or that Toog would vote them, which only added to the tension.

Eventually Toog returned and sat down opposite Minions as Julie came back on-screen.

"Houseguests, the vote is in," she announces. "The person chosen by Toog will only have a few minutes before they must leave.

"...BBmolla, you have been evicted from the Big Brother Mansion."

No sooner had BB's name come from Julie's mouth had F-16 let out a sigh and BB slammed a fist on the couch in frustration. Moodily he gathered his things and stalked out of the room, with nary a look behind him, and the final three watch him go in silence. Nothing greets their stares as BB goes out of sight.

"And now we are down to the final three," Julie Chen says to the listening audience. "There can be no turning back now, and everything is on the line for the final HoH nomination. Who will win? Stick around and find out."

The last part is said with a smile as the camera pans out and fades to black.

Game is probably over anyways if that 3 kill thing really was a slip.

Woah there, pull that vote toog.

If we rush through a vote I'm left with a limited time to decide which of you is scum. If it is f16 and he has a kill he won't vote for me and I am vulnerable to death here.
Either way though I think we need to use the time of the day phase to make the right call here. Cos one of you is lying and after that flip I'm concerned I'm missing something here.

For what it's worth though toogeloo that was the vote I would have made too.

The night vote I mean.

In post 1884, Minions wrote:If we rush through a vote I'm left with a limited time to decide which of you is scum. If it is f16 and he has a kill he won't vote for me and I am vulnerable to death here.

If F-16 has a kill it won't matter one way or another, and all we really end up doing is dragging the day out. I don't really see anything else worth discussing either. F-16 is either going to argue that I am a godfather or the possibility that you are either a scum cop or possibly a publisher of some type. I'm going to argue that Bulba immediately voting my plan to have F-16 nominated and him scanned is probably the most incriminating thing. I am not going to assume scum cop, so you get my vote.

There, I just summed up Day 10.

Yeah, very good point.

Well while I'm still here I will see what interactions I can find between certain players.

Bbl

I don't have a kill, LOL. Toog is scum.

I am not going to assume scum cop either. If there is a scum cop, I'll go stuff the scum cop in a plate, go find Voided and throw it at him. The only power role we seemed to have is a cop. Without it, it is an all-vanilla town with scum that can fuck with us by posting confirmable results. A GF on the other hand makes perfect sense and it would be very OP'd to have a town cop without a GF. You'll just have to figure out which of me or Toog are the GF.

I HATE the GF role and games which rely on setups. I had extremely strong townreads on both of Titus and BBMolla which I had to backtrack on.

And it turns out my initial reads were right all along.

In post 360, Imperium wrote:

In post 322, Titus wrote:Imperium, what is your opinion of KBW?

Looking pretty damn town at this point.

In post 323, BBmolla wrote:So I've got scumteam of Rach, Gnomeo, Desperado, and Bulbazak

Thoughts?

Gnomeo, Peacebringer, Bulbazak, Blackberry is actually more how I'm looking at the moment. Rach is almost certainly town by this point and desperado is not that scummy yet.

If imperium got this spot on they will be I bearable :p

Ok, I looked over bulbazaks interactions. He scum reads and attacks us and toogeloo from day 1. Seems to start having a change of heart on toogeloo around the time he is being talked up for investigation but never quite drops his attacking of us.
F16 isn't interacted with until day 2 but I assume that's when he Replaced in. Blackberry was voted for as HoH by bulbazak on day 1 at one point, yet his interaction with f16 seems mildly suspicious... It's odd.

But I can't shake this point f16 keeps making. A GF would make sense to balance the cop role, especially since the investigation result was out of our hands.

Im left with choosing between a potential godfather role or the mafias vig.

The deaths are the other thing I looked at. Imperiums post makes things seems very convenient. Day 1 jake was a hot favourite to get in as HoH and suddenly he was killed. Bulba tries to vote in blackberry.
Imperium had blackberry in a read with all the other mafia players.
The only pause there is how long after the kill came.

F16, can you give a summary case as to why toog is scum besides the GF balance? Any posts or series of posts that make him stand out?

Toog, same to you about f16.

*they will be unbearable

I don't have a lot of energy. It is like getting into a boxing ring and repeatedly being pummeled to the ground by Voided. I'll look into it maybe tonight or tomorrow. There's plenty of time left.

In post 141, Gnomeo wrote:VOTE: Toogeloo

Is probably town. I have no problem putting up his suspects for nomination.

I will also

FOS: Titus

Who I would vote for at this point.

Wierd as hell. Why Toog?

I am really starting to dislike this format of the game - and any role based games for that instance. If Toog wasn't GF, there is no way I would have backtracked on my meta-read of Titus because they usually tend to be fairly accurate. I'd also have trusted my read on BBMolla because I was so certain that he was town - and he was. Instead, I had to push on two strong townreads simply based on POE which really sucks because once I have strong townreads I try to work with them and not let paranoia eat me away. I would have been happy to have been right about Bulb, IceGuy, Titus, and Molla. Roles like GF screw up such awesome reads and screw with my mind which I am really starting to dislike. Roles shouldn't be such a prime focus on mafia games. After all, mafia is a psychological strategy game of behavioral analysis.

Well its no picnic for me either F16. In theory this should be done and dusted for me because BBmolla is town and gave a town result on Toog.

But you put a spanner in the works F16 with the logical point about balance in the teams.

Also, one thing that did concern me was the speed toog wanted to lay that vote, I am still trying to apply some mafia psychology to this and looking over the three scum flips for references or interactions with you two.

Done Bulbazaks summary, working on gnomeo right now, wil post shortly.

Gnomeo’s posts:

Only remembers the game after about 140 posts in.
Opens with a vote on toog and an FOS on titus. Looking back at the posts before this toog he is challenging bulbazak regularly and being very strong with opinions. I can see why he leaned towards toog actually, so its not indicative of anyone, except distancing from bulbazak.

Reads all three of us as town, although makes a clear town read only on toog, has leaning town on us and F16s predecessor.
Gives a town lean on blackberry (f16) based on the opening post, Which looking at it isn’t bad reasoning. The post talks about tactical theory to force scum to wifom.
Town leaned us for pushing on titus... which i can see why he would like that given titus was town :p
Auto clears toog as town for vague reasons. Its an interesting one this because he gives specifics on many of the reads, but for toog he says ‘his entrance was pretty good, and the rest of his posts were fine too’. He is this vague for one of his scum buddies but also for a couple of the town players too (who he scum reads incidentally).

The only other interaction with any of us up until he once again provides a full set of reads is when we take issue with him for ignoring suspicion placed on him to question the suspicion on PB... which seems even more relevant now we know both are scum.

Strongest town read is toog. This technically bodes well for toog as given his reads on everyone else from his team being closer to the fence i cant see him then making one of them the number 1 town read, and the reason for it was because bulbazak was trying to discredit him. This feels like white knighting to me.
Keeps a town read on blackberry but his reasoning suddenly feels very poor. He remains town reading him based on the opening post but even points out himself blackberry has done very little after that. The need to keep the read consistent feels forced.
Has a scum read on us because he has made a claim that bulbazak trying to link us and gnomeo together made us scumbuddies trying to set gnomeo up... and as we now know the tactic was actually to set us up when gnomeo flipped.

Then he finishes arguing with imperium.

From that analysis toogeloo comes off very well overall, and f16 starts off looking good and then it seems to look a bit more suspect as the day progresses.

Next i will sort through the Peacebringer and Iceguy slot.

Where is the Bulbazak summary?