Oh boy, muffinz’s wall. It’s dunkin’ time:
In post 1758, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:I don't have any opinion on AP as a player. I've played with him twice before (both times town) and he was average both times. I'm not sure what he's capable of as scum, but you're missing the point completely or you're just playing dumb here.
He used an opening he's used before as town, correct? You're following so far? Stop me at the point I've lost you because I know I'm talking to a special person here and I don't want to go too fast. Let's think about why he would do this. It's possible he's town and thought, "OMG, a good way to enter this game is to use an opening I've done as town before, an opening that I could easily fake as scum, and then berate people when they don't think I'm obvtown because of my opening posts! I'll call them really, really obvtown and criticise anyone who disagrees because that is a sensible thing to do!" You seem to think this is what he did. But again, I know you're a... very special person... so I'm not particularly surprised you think this. I think the more likely scenario is that he's scum and thought, "hey I'm going to imitate an opening that most of the player list has seen me do as town before and then criticise anyone who thinks it isn't a town entrance because they know I've done it as town before!" <- not only did he actually do this, but he didn't even have to bring up the past game he did it as town for comparison because it was an unconscious link that... special players like yourself... made. this is exactly the sort of thing i did in gif's touhou game with the way i approached the gaiden lynch D1; i didn't want to point out myself that it was unlike what i've done as scum in the past, i let cabd point out my usual bussing meta and then i let YOU (desp) point out that he was, in fact, wrong. i think AP was doing a similar thing here.
What you’re spouting here is bullshit. You’re effectively saying, “I see town and scum reasons for taking this action, and with no consideration as to which it is, I’m going to decide on one because ~reasons~.” Yes, the opening could have come from either town or scum; that’s not what’s driving my townread on AP. The relevance of AP’s entrance to my townread on him is the fact that he gave an explicitly null entrance, an entrance that could potentially mean multiple things, and mastin IMMEDIATELY came in and attacked it, and your hydra was, as it has been for the entire game, buddied so far up her ass that your attack came right in lockstep.
Is that clear, or do was my explanation too “special” for you?
How about this: next time you want to insult me for my intelligence, come at me with a point that doesn’t suck.
In post 1758, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:i think you're doing it not because you think it will give you town points, but because you think it's expected of you (as town, you would push a lynch on a gladiator claim is what you think. so you are not analysing things in a town way and instead you're blindly pushing this)
Or I’m town doing a thing that I do regardless of alignment?
You people suck at reading null actions as null.
In post 1758, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:No, I'm not scum reading AP for his entrance (though I do not think it was a town entrance). I'm scum reading him because I thought his predecessor was scum, and I do not think his play so far (up to p54, still catching up) looks town. The opening was one example, the back-and-forth with mastin was another.
Can’t comment on the EH read b/c I read maybe 2 of their posts.
AP’s been pretty fucking town, though.
BECAUSE IT WAS A NULL ENTRANCE FOR REASONS YOU’VE ALREADY GIVEN.
LIKE.
HOLY SHIT.
THIS LINE OF REASONING IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I’ve given the tl;dr version like 1000000 times, which is that your head is so far up mastin’s ass it hurts.
You’ve buddied her at every corner. Every. Fucking. Corner. She pushes Titan with a shitty push? You push Titan with a shitty push. She pushes Fox/Hound? YOU push Fox/Hound. I even drew a diagram with arrows and everything that shows how much you’ve been buddying her.
This is in conjuction with mastin making pushes that were pretty much terrible, particularly the Titan push. You’re either supporting a scum mate who’s making plays, or you’re setting up behind a townie so that she can take the fall for pushing bad positions.
In post 1758, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:If this is BRO and he read _any_ of Xenosaga, then I'm considering this a scum claim. Because he should know I do this with mastin, he's seen my approach to mastin in many games now, this should not come as a surprise to him and he should not think this means anything about my alignment (though I would argue that I don't think I'd play it the same as scum, but *shrug*)
lol.
I read more of the dead QT of that game than I read of that game.
It’d be a lot better of a fake townslip if it weren’t stated in the rules, and previously discussed in the game somewhere.
In post 1758, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:I am both appalled and disgusted that you think I would ever do something like that
Also, all the "alt slips" bar one have been because I don't want to log into a hydra from work (so no, that wasn't me pretending to be Nati) - I was at work at the time, thus no, any RBD post then came from Nati.
Which is why you signed posts made from your main account as Nati?
I can’t…
And I’ve stated why you’re objectively wrong. You’re taking Schrodinger’s Cat and declaring it dead/alive before looking in the box.
You should be honored that I’m even taking the effort to dunk you here, because you’re being such a dick that I’ve requested the mod to warn you for the second time this game because of this post.
In post 1758, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:I'm getting a little fucking tired of seeing every reads list in every game I'm in, regardless of alignment, not include me in any place except null (or possible null-scum for ~reasons~) - i mean, even when i think i'm being really fucking transparent in all of my fucking posts, apparently people have trouble reading it. OK, I get it, I've burned some people before, but it's seriously fucking annoying. If you want to know where it's coming from (even prior to 1543 ending, though I think that was partially where my frustration was coming from) it's because I don't think there's anything I could possibly do that's going to convince anyone I'm town if they simply don't want to be convinced. Which makes me apathetic as fuck. I didn't want to play this game, but Nati asked me to. I didn't want to play it because I'm over games with this player list. Not because I don't enjoy playing with you guys (in general, I have nothing against you); but because it's so fucking tiring having such a fucking high mountain to climb every time I want to get town read when I'm actually town. I'm fine with putting in that sort of effort as scum because I consider it a challenge, but as town? I don't want to have to put in mountains and mountains of effort not knowing whether I'll be successful, not knowing whether it's going to even make a difference or whether it's just going to be fucking ignored because "lol muffin could totally do that as scum". There are some things I legitimately don't think I can do as scum, and while I don't really want to talk about them in detail, I'm hoping people figure it out at some point because I'm getting fucking sick of this shit.
So yeah, when I saw the multiple reads lists in this game that didn't include my name anywhere (literally; go read every single reads list in this game and try to find my name. you can't, except for maybe one or two recently) it sapped my will. It's fucking taxing. I don't like it. I don't consider myself any harder to read than, say, a player like you, but apparently people can form town or scum reads on you easily and have difficulty putting me as anything other than null.
You want us to believe you have apathy so badly that you wrote ½ a page in MS word about how much apathy you have.
In post 1758, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:(a) How the fuck is this relevant to anything? You weren't saying "it's possible they're scum lurkers or town lurkers", you were directly saying my reads are shit because they're town.
(b) If you can tell the difference between scum lurk and town lurk, then explain why they're town lurking rather than scum lurking?
Also there are times when the vast majority of scum is in the lurkers. Sooooooooooo saying "how often does it happen?" means nothing. It's dependent on who's actually scum, and who's actually scum is dependent on RNG, soooooo what's your fucking point?
Ugh…
Everyone you stated looked like a town lurker for [insert theory from chapter 3 of my treatise on mafia theory]. Seriously, there are differences. I would know; I manipulate my lurking more than any player other than maybe GiF, and I do it as both algnments.
Except p5. I just said he was probably town b/c you were pushing him. I don’t have a real read there.
Basically, the difference between a town lurk and a scum lurk is in how the lurk manipulates attention. The whole point of lurking as scum is to get forgotten, so that the game moves around you and people get lynched for being actively “scummy” over you for not doing anything. Now look at the way Katsuki is lurking? Does he post content that shifts or directs focus? No, his posts are actually quite loud, and he’s incredibly obvious about how he’s lurking. He’s also not lurking on an interval, which is a good way to control how people feel about your slot.
And yes, I’m aware that sometimes the entire scumteam is in the lurkers. I actually just had a game where that was the case, and I correctly identified on day 1 that all the scum were, in fact, in the lurkers. Shocker, my opinions hold more theory behind them than the rest of this site has combined.
In post 1758, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:First of all, you're blatantly misrepresenting what I actually said. I not only did not say that his entrance 100% couldn't be a town entrance, but I was arguing that the way he did it and the way he talked about it weren't town - not that he hadn't done it as town in the past.
And you've yet to argue against my actual point here, so I'm just going to assume you're scum trying to look like you have an actual point here.
Mastin was the one who said it was 100% not town.
And the way in which he talked about it was null. Taking WIFOM, balling it up, and throwing it into the game is, definitionally, null.
No shit, Sherlock.
ns and mollie both have policies on me, which is really fucking annoying to deal with.
Done with that.
Not gonna let muffin sow apathy.
Gotta dunk dat scum
