Mini 1670 - WTF MAFIA

[Drixx]

I got the strangest message about the night. I'm not even sure where to begin just at the moment.

If Wanderer cannot give us a guilty result today, wanderer should be lynched. I think that should suffice for the start of the day.

[Wanderer-nl]

Oh I have a guilty alright.
Yes Drixx, that's the flavour msg you get when I track you and you visited 2 people last night apparently. I guess before you visited Tere you swung by my place to drop of a package. Did you think that would make me townread you?

VOTE: Drixx

[Drixx]

Yeah that's bullshit. I have literally been mod confirmed to give people stuff and to give people fruit who visit me.

I was shot and healed last night, so someone should know that I'm town.

Wanderer just made this day 1v1 with me, which is dumb because I'm super obvtown.

VOTE: Wanderer

For great justice fellow townies.

[Drixx]

Oh I have a guilty alright.
Yes Drixx, that's the flavour msg you get when I track you and you visited 2 people last night apparently. I guess before you visited Tere you swung by my place to drop of a package. Did you think that would make me townread you?

VOTE: Drixx

Your flavor message is that you

shoot

me? Interesting. I'm so definitely going to change my mind and believe you're town now.

[Drixx]

For the record, I was really convinced that we had a Mc and MC scum team going, and so I delivered to Wanderer a Lie Detector and tried to use as many descriptions and such as possible to ensure it could be used and give a result today.

It's a gigantic shame that I gave it to scum.

[Wanderer-nl]

Yeah I'm a tracker vigilante doctor, which means that when I track I also shoot and heal my target, and this doesn't interfere with any other nightactions my target can make.

Why did you leave out the healing part anyway?

[Drixx]

I didn't. You are just pretending I did to try and win you scumfuck.

Post #1877, and I quote "I was shot and healed last night."

I didn't visit two people, so you are either a liar or too stupid to understand your role. I'm going to go with liar, as that seems far more likely.

[Wanderer-nl]

Heated response to 1878 where you focused on the shooting-part. Kill me. Oh wait, you're afraid I won't die again.

[Drixx]

If you are town v. town tunneling me and cost us the game, I'm going to have some very unpleasant things to say to you afterward.

[Drixx]

Oh shit, this is ridiculously easy. I'm about to make a post Wanderer. Use the lie detector on it and post the result.

[Drixx]

Since I did not receive my alignment with my role PM, then according to post #4 of this thread, I should assume I am town aligned.

Statement of fact: I am town aligned

[Drixx]

So now one of three things will happen:

1.) Wanderer will use the Lie Detector and confirm that I am town.
2.) Wanderer will make an excuse about the lie detector not giving a result, even though I covered all the bases for why it didn't work immediately for shos.
3.) Wanderer will lie and say that it says I'm scum.

[Drixx]

If McMenno was honest about being neutral, then the current game state is 2:2:1 or 2:1:1:1

Unvote

Voting is stupidly dangerous and shouldn't have been done.

[Wanderer-nl]

I already have a guilty on you. Why should I trust the lie detector will tell me the truth about you? And you'll just call me a liar again when I get another guilty result.

[Drixx]

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

Come on folks, time to lynch this piece of scumshit.

[Drixx]

I already have a guilty on you. Why should I trust the lie detector will tell me the truth about you? And you'll just call me a liar again when I get another guilty result.

Oh ... you're a cop now?

Or are you just a fucking retard who doesn't understand what your role does?

Or are you just a lying sack of shit?

I'm pretty sure it's that last one.

[Drixx]

I love being in an inactive game. If McMenno is being honest about being a third party, I only have one town ally so hopefully they're not dumb. Presuming two scum left, all it takes is one more vote on me and scum wins.

If Wanderer were town, she would have used the lie detector I gave her and cleared me and realized something was funky with the "results" she got. I haven't seen such a blatant "Hi, I'm scum" situation in a long time.

McMenno, if you are really a neutral survivor, this is a game where you can establish credibility that you will play for town wincon when assigned a neutral party role which can win with either faction. This site is ridiculously anti-neutral, to the point where any neutral claim is 99% of the time policy lynched on the spot. The only way to alter that will be players who get neutral roles (apart from the ones which cannot win with town) playing as if they were town, and game designers and moderators thinking outside the box and coming up with better neutral roles (I'm looking to start modding and hopefully by the time I have the requisite experience to run a large themed, I'll have come up with some compelling neutral role ideas).

So what I'm saying McMenno, is you should vote for Wanderer is you are really a survivor, if you value the long term benefit. If you are really a survivor and just want to win then vote me so the other scum can vote me and the game can end and we can all move on.

[Drixx]

Wow ... this clumsy frame attempt may have helped me solve the game. Everything seems to fit.

At this point I'm asking myself why the game is even still going, but whatever...


I was trying to figure out why scum would kill Tere when I was so adamant that Tere's bad logic wasn't legitimate bad but instead scum pretending not to understand the threat McMenno posed to town, even if his claim were 100% accurate. So Tere alive today with me would have been a good bet for getting a town vote onto someone, and yet Tere was killed. This makes no sense, except if I was the only other kill choice, and then killing me takes away the near guaranteed vote to get scum's chosen lynch.

Enter the super obvious really bad frame job.

I kind of am wondering why the game is still going. I think that the only thing that makes sense is if McMenno is the 3rd party scum and there is only 1 scum left, so there's a chance for one to kill the other or something.

The players alive are: Drixx, Wanderer, McMenno, MadCitrus ... and the only way that makes sense with the game still going is if it's 2:1:1 because me alone with a neutral McMenno and 2 scum would have endgamed me and resulted in survivor!McMenno plus scum winning.

It makes no sense that there's even a day phase right now.

VOTE: McMenno

I think this is completely pointless, and it's also ridiculous that the first post isn't updated. There are like 3 dead people on the still alive list at the moment ... at least.

[Drixx]

Special rules

Everyone has a fucked up role
They are not alignment indicative, this game is smalltown
There are exactly 4 scums (3p team and one 3rd party)
There may be other 3rd parties

Okay so 2 groupscum are dead, which means 1 groupscum alive and 1 3P scum. I posit McMenno is the 3P scum, and responsible for the dayvig kills. Amusingly, both went against groupscum.

In any case, with four of us alive and two being scum, I see no way for a town victory to occur, short of a posited day killing 3p scum killing the last groupscum and then getting lynched.

Other shenanigans in play could be a neutral lyncher with a hidden lynchee, but I think that's bastard.

Meh ... I kind of don't give a shit at this point. I'm town but in a situation where town almost certainly can't win, and the only other player talking is scum.

[McMenno]

okay so this is really weird

1 of you is town

1 of you is scum

1 of you is 3p scum

who to vote?

[Drixx]

okay so this is really weird

1 of you is town

1 of you is scum

1 of you is 3p scum

who to vote?

If that's the case then join me on Wanderer. I'm OTAF and have been all game. Wanderer's bullshit is a flimsy frame job, at best.

[Wanderer-nl]

I'm town. I'm a tracker and I tracked Drixx last night. I know exactly how my role works. I'm a plain tracker, nothing more nothing less, I just have a weird flavour when I track.
I asked the mod if hypothetically it was possible for 1 scum to perform both the factional kill and their own role, and mod confirmed that's possible.

[MadCitrus]

VOTE: Drixx

Wanderer is indeed town.

Mcmeno, hammer and end the game whenever you're ready

[Drixx]

I'm town. I'm a tracker and I tracked Drixx last night. I know exactly how my role works. I'm a plain tracker, nothing more nothing less, I just have a weird flavour when I track.
I asked the mod if hypothetically it was possible for 1 scum to perform both the factional kill and their own role, and mod confirmed that's possible.

You might be a tracker. You're still scum.

Hopefully McMenno is the person who was doing the day vig and he just shoots you, and sees that you are scum, and then joins me in voting for your partner who so nicely outed himself.

VOTE: MadCitrus

Flimsy frame job and really bad attempt at obfuscation.

[Drixx]

Yeah I'm a tracker vigilante doctor, which means that when I track I also shoot and heal my target, and this doesn't interfere with any other nightactions my target can make.

Why did you leave out the healing part anyway?

I'm town. I'm a tracker and I tracked Drixx last night. I know exactly how my role works. I'm a plain tracker, nothing more nothing less, I just have a weird flavour when I track.
I asked the mod if hypothetically it was possible for 1 scum to perform both the factional kill and their own role, and mod confirmed that's possible.

Oh hey:

"I'm a tracker vigilante doctor" in one post and then "I'm a plain tracker, nothing more nothing less" in another post. I wonder who is lying? Hrm... let me think about it.