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also i dont care about saving my ass, im dead anyway because i believe that u really did play that bad and were forced to vig claim (PL on day3 to be safe) - i care that i get my reads out before i die

In post 1872, rb wrote:

In post 1867, MortFeld wrote:Is "don't lynch power roles regardless of how unreasonable the claim is" like a hard rule on MS? I am not seeing Chaos telling the truth.

Pedit: HS/buffet/drone doesn't include Chaos.

i could lynch chaos based on ISO, i hated it. i'm just wary of it because i think arc could be scum here - which would be even worse than letting mort live because we would lynch Cop and then our vig is gonna shoot me (town) and get NK'd. so that's 2 town PR + VT dead in 1 phase.

yer i know the claim is weird af (L-3) but the reasoning kinda makes sense and I'm first to admit that i get my reads via interaction and re-reading isn't aomething i'm good at getting reads from

ISO + the fact that Chaos isn't even scumreading Arc, when I suggested that Chaos town means Arc scum Chaos said 'why are you linking us like that huh!?' Like why would a townie react this way.

Lynch Chaos today. If he's town we lynch Arc tomorrow.

No. I made a case on copper and it was a great case. He got replaced and his replacement intentionally lied about me not once, not twice, but 3 times.

You replacing in doesn't wipe the slate clean. So there is no conf bias. There is a legit scum read based on legitimately scummy behavior.

Try to discredit it all you want. You replaced into a scum slot, do what you got to do but follow the fucking rules. When somebody asks you to not insult them, be respectful and listen.

Uzi is town...i think. I srsly cant keep track of these replacements while doing ISOs either

I wanna get opinions of uzi in 1 word:

I say town.

Everyone else?

In post 1876, MortFeld wrote:Lynch Chaos today.

We aren't lynching chaos today

Almost hope you're town so when I flip it can be proven how confbiased and VI you really are being right now.

Ignored for rest of day, regardless of your alignment you're worthless.

Mort: how sure are you that Chaos is scum and arc is town? I need to just sheep some townread here because these replaces make catchup more like a chore than parsing a mafia game

I think it's important that the arc townread is there as well as the chaos scumread because arc and chaos will not be scumbuddies here

TF it is annoying for you to say we're not lynching Chaos and to have your replacement be rb.

Uzi: town.

TF your case on Copper was this:

In post 690, TwoFace wrote:1. I felt like his reaction to creepy being L-2 didn't make sense. If he was genuinely concerned he would have unvoted, not say he is keeping his vote but will unvote at L-1
2. He attempted to misrep me by saying my posts about him said 2 different things when they clearly didn't. Even when I point them out and show they say the exact same thing, he refuses to admit his mistake. I may be naive but I am of the belief that scum is less likely to admit their mistakes, town should have no problems admitting theirs.
3. The fact that he jumped on TB after TB voted him and went and lied about his activity. There is no evidence that supports Copper's claim and evidence that proves his claim was not true.

1. Is reasonable but was explained.
2. Is semantic. You had one thing in mind not conveyed clearly by your words, he read your words.
3. Is this just because Copper said TB was game avoiding? I don't think this misconception is scummy. TB barely added anything to the game and did appear to directly avoid questions.

So forgive me for not being completely on your side regarding rb. Wobbu was awful and scummy but so was HS and HS is probably town.

Did someone say that Wobbu was active elsewhere on the site before getting replaced? Isn't this against site rules?

oh my god TF's other top scumread is HS

I'm not comfortable with lynching Omega honestly.

I feel like Drone might be the correct play for today. If he flips scum, we can lynch one of Arc/HS/TF tomorrow. If he flips town, it won't necessarily clear HS but I think we will all feel a lot better about his alignment.

Mort wrote:Did someone say that Wobbu was active elsewhere on the site before getting replaced? Isn't this against site rules?

It pretty much directly violates it.

Tbh I've had Drone's exact reaction to someone 'rolefishing' before. I actually like Drone

I have like no fucking scumreads actually LOL

In post 1881, rb wrote:Mort: how sure are you that Chaos is scum and arc is town? I need to just sheep some townread here because these replaces make catchup more like a chore than parsing a mafia game

Not incredibly sure, I just think it makes no sense for Chaos to try to cast suspicion on me for saying Chaos town -> Arc scum. This is something only scum!Chaos would do since town!Chaos would be scumreading the heck out of Arc.

For anyone confused here's what I'm referencing

In post 1796, ChaosOmega wrote:And now you're trying to set up lynches to push into Arc D2, Mort. Why are mine and Arc's reads connected in that way?

If I claimed cop and someone was yelling about how in 50 games of mafia they were always right and I had to be scum, I'd be the first to say that's scummy. Why would town!Chaos find these associations objectionable:
Chaos town -> Arc scum
Chaos scum -> Arc town

Maybe it's my inexperience but that seems like the only way to look at it.

If you don't want to lynch Chaos today then we should lynch Arc today, but I think Arc town + Chaos scum is more likely.

i actually am agreeing as before that the Arc/Chaos shenanigans need to get sorted out asap, and yeah i see nothing wrong with seeing them as being opposite alignments. I can't see a way in which they're on the same team right now and even if they are it'll give them towncred for like 1 more day at most. they still need to produce content going forward

In post 1883, MortFeld wrote:TF it is annoying for you to say we're not lynching Chaos and to have your replacement be rb.

Well we aren't lynching a cop claim day 1, so who do you suggest we lynch?

either way it's likely one of them is scum, but i really don't trust my ability to ISO-read people and find scum. it's just not my strong suiT

In post 1883, MortFeld wrote:Did someone say that Wobbu was active elsewhere on the site before getting replaced? Isn't this against site rules?

Chaos and I both pointed this out and while some people think it is, I had a game recently confirm it's not. It should be though.

In post 1890, TwoFace wrote:

In post 1883, MortFeld wrote:TF it is annoying for you to say we're not lynching Chaos and to have your replacement be rb.

Well we aren't lynching a cop claim day 1, so who do you suggest we lynch?

In post 1888, MortFeld wrote: If you don't want to lynch Chaos today then we should lynch Arc today, but I think Arc town + Chaos scum is more likely.

RB slot is way worse than anything arc has done.

actually nah it's not against rules im wrong

In post 1894, TwoFace wrote:RB slot is way worse than anything arc has done.

"I'm not confbiasing guys, i'm playing good!"

In post 1883, MortFeld wrote:Is semantic. You had one thing in mind not conveyed clearly by your words, he read your words.

You're joking right?

tbh if Mort is scum he deserves to win