Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[RCEnigma]

My hangup with RC/Morality was that if they both rolled scum together I was fully expecting them to buss each other day 1. I was waiting for it actually, and what do you know we have a 1v1 that fizzles out pretty quickly.

I'll ping out some of the posts that prefaced this but I mostly expected it based on Moralitys setup of the situation, it doesn't necessarily mean it's S/S but it was premeditated at least on Moralitys end.

also this

setting me up to be scum when morality flips scum

etc

This actually sets us up to be a double mislynch if one of us went down, which is what I’m assuming would happen.

Scum are letting you power town this because I feel they feel you can get a couple mislynches then be potentially lynched.

This doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Naturally if you flipped and it was town there is no basis for S/S between you.

RC's point makes sense since a scum flip on you wouldn't clear him as it normally would. He can argue that as a scum narrative that makes sense.

You're completely skipping over the whole part where you flip. How does it end up a double mislynch?

[RCEnigma]

Actually, you took some time to get RCE going there, huh?

Reading kind of in reverse, bare with me.

Not voting CoA because I want to. I don't even think she's scum and this is probably a mislynch. It's just not a tragic one like a shoshin lynch would be.

[Morality]

My hangup with RC/Morality was that if they both rolled scum together I was fully expecting them to buss each other day 1. I was waiting for it actually, and what do you know we have a 1v1 that fizzles out pretty quickly.

I'll ping out some of the posts that prefaced this but I mostly expected it based on Moralitys setup of the situation, it doesn't necessarily mean it's S/S but it was premeditated at least on Moralitys end.

also this

setting me up to be scum when morality flips scum

etc

This actually sets us up to be a double mislynch if one of us went down, which is what I’m assuming would happen.

Scum are letting you power town this because I feel they feel you can get a couple mislynches then be potentially lynched.

This doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Naturally if you flipped and it was town there is no basis for S/S between you.

RC's point makes sense since a scum flip on you wouldn't clear him as it normally would. He can argue that as a scum narrative that makes sense.

You're completely skipping over the whole part where you flip. How does it end up a double mislynch?

You misread it completely. I know I can’t flip red, so to me, RC and I can’t be S/S, on top of that, I think RC is likely town, so from my perspective me getting flipped, makes me feel RC would be setup after a me flip.

RC thinks I’d flip red, then after I get flipped, RC gets flipped.

I just know I can’t flip red, so i skipped the middle man.

[Morality]

Also, how did I “skip over” me getting lynched? I said double mislynch and the two subjects of that were myself an RCE. The whole premise of the concept is about me getting flipped.

I don’t feel like you just blatantly misrepped me rather than just got confused somewhere...

[Morality]

There’s no basis for S/S, sure, but that can easily be pivoted to “1 scum within them”, which is what I was referring towards. I understand where the confusion came from now.

That’s just a classic double mislynch scenario.

[Morality]

And you don’t necessarily have to be the one to pivot, you just did the setup.

[Morality]

You also set a mislynch trap path for me with the “Morality should scum read me as town”.

I don’t even understand the basis of that comment. Have I ever even scum read you before as town? I can’t remember too many games with us, tbh.

I believe we just finished a newbie game together as T/T, and we pub stomped it.

And before that, we had OK2, and I believe I did push you as scum there, but I was Third Party there.

I don’t believe I have EVER pushed you as scum when I was a town before, which seems like another trap in itself.

[Morality]

I think I’m still on RC.

VOTE: RCEnigma

RCE, Shoshin, Boats. They’re going for the COA lynch, which is evident in a Boats last post saying “if RC is town, Morality/COA probably scum team”

RCE going on board “reluctantly” with COA, then Shoshin taking the stance making sure to specify they are against COA without even considering RC’s point of view.

[Morality]

Also, how did I “skip over” me getting lynched? I said double mislynch and the two subjects of that were myself an RCE. The whole premise of the concept is about me getting flipped.

I don’t feel like you just blatantly misrepped me rather than just got confused somewhere...

RC* not RCE

[Morality]

In theory, I could be wrong about Shoshin and RCE is just attempting a pocket, but Shoshin going against RC seems like scum trying to play the political game.

[Aurathebirb]

I don't actually scum read CoA (kind of 50/50) but the reaction to this particular lynch looks weird to me. Nothing that suggests this is a mislynch.

Considering RC is basically staking his reputation in this game I'd expect scum to be interested in capitalizing on that. Taking down two strong players at once would be a juicy treat.

If this is wrong then I think it'll be pretty easy to figure out at least one scum.

VOTE: unvote
VOTE: CultofAthena

[Aurathebirb]

Incidentally I'm also changing my read on Tarkus to town

[RCEnigma]

My point is more that there isn't anything tying your slots if you flipped town. It's probably more likely that RC is town in that case.

In this case you're biased as it directly involves you but objectively two slots sharing each other, actively seeking a 1v1 and then both parties disengaging without a change in reads is suspicious. Especially since you both acknowledged it could be the other scum game and RC is still scumreading you without willingness to vote there.

[Yachting n Socializing]

Day 1 will end in 1 day, 23 hours, 6 minutes or when a lynch has been achieved.

ok there's only a two days left so i'm going to stop being cryptic

I am considering lynching RC today. I believe town!him can read CoA well, but out of the games we've played I don't think I've ever misread her either and yes I'm out of touch but the level of analysis in her iso is her town game I think. RC says there's none, but there clearly is - and if he can link a scum game she's played to this caliber, I will look at it. So this would mean RC's scum pool has at least 2 town in it. Considering the level of confidence he's professing (among other things), he could easily be scum.

I town read his iso in isolation still, and there's stuff that is sus but I don't want to full case him now because I'm not sure and thats my problem, never mind the fact I don't have the time to get into a big 1v1 with RC even if I wanted to rn. Because @CoA does lurk as town too but she does it more as scum. I think the thing that pings me most about her is what RC pointed out, that she didn't recognize my alt when he has played with me far less and picked it up right away. That is not a make or break point, so I've been waiting for her to show up after I told her this was my alt and solve with me, but she hasn't. I was very busy yesterday, but I was mainly popping in to see if CoA showed up.

RCE town spewed himself with some pretty awful AtE, I don't think I ever lynch that slot. I don't think Shoshin is scum with or without RC. If RC is scum, Morality > Snow > Tarkus > Creature (if he doesn't obv town again) are the partner pool I'm looking at. If he's town, I think he's right and CoA / Morality are two scum, and if we lynch both of them I can accept the mislynch - most likely third is Tarkus / Vedith.

[RCEnigma]

Shading*

The recent newbie game is the only one we have played that you didn't scumread me in. We have a newbie together before that and an NK normal. You were IC but still.

[RadiantCowbells]

Please drill into your heads the fact that Morality was going on shore leave when the viable wagons were all on town but now that CoA is at risk he comes back and tries to push another mislynch

[RadiantCowbells]

Boats n hoes / morality never stopped being obviously scum vs scum btw

[RadiantCowbells]

RcE towntold really hard and morality is still pushing there

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh morality is back

VOTE: MORALITY

this Lynch is still a gamesolve on a silver platter
I'll case it again with associatives and just general scum stuff

[Shoshin]

I prefer lynching Morality over CoA. His claim that I didn't consider RC's view on CoA is absurdly untrue to the point of being a straight-up scum claim.

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Morality

[RadiantCowbells]

There's a lot for CoA to respond to if she's town I'd like to give her that safety net now that another person I can confidently say is scum is on the table

I'm now at least somewhat wary that my nsg scumread came from a bad place, I would appreciate the chance for her to come back and confirm herself one way or the other.

[Shoshin]

I think there's good reasons to be paranoid of NSG. And if she's scum, don't worry, she'll get lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I did my reread this morning and it became more hey bnh Morality is locked in and theres a wide pool of people {Tarkus, ddl, CoA, probs not Shoshin unless she's trying to bus both her partners} who could be the third

Now unfortunately I don't know what the reaction tells me about CoA because I could see both of them in either universe, either trying to keep scum her alive but hedging on the flip or just trying to get town cred for her getting hilariously mislynched

I don't rly deserve to say she's 100% scum right now. I'm not there yet I lied because I got tilted and it didn't seem like anyone was listening w

[RadiantCowbells]

But actually

I think there's a better lynch here than even morality

VOTE: boats n hoes