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Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:32 am**

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.8

popsofctown

(6P, 16V):Severa(3), Farkran(3), Sujimichi(3), TemporalLich(3), Bitmap(2), Evenstar(2)

Kerset

(1P, 3V,): Alchemist21(3)

Farkran

(4P, 13V): Gamma Emerald(4), Salamence20(4), Venus and Mars(2), popsofctown(3)

Salamence20

(1P, 3V): , Kerset(3)

Not Voting (1P, 2V)

: Chemist1422(2)

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

Lemme know if the votecount is wrong or something

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:37 am**

In post 1867, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 1862, Farkran wrote:
In post 1858, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 1854, Farkran wrote:Yeah, salamence, i am scum and i omgus people for no reason.

I wonder why i didn't omgus you too, since you have voted me before pops did.

I'll try again: open your eyes, or you will feel bad after this game.
Pops was the lead wagon for a thousand, Alex?

In post 1859, Salamence20 wrote:
In post 1854, Farkran wrote:Yeah, salamence, i am scum and i omgus people for no reason.

You did. Remember the Venus vote too?

I wonder why i didn't omgus you too, since you have voted me before pops did.

Because you think/know Im town and havent wavered from that read despite saying things like “needs to be removed.”

I'll try again: open your eyes, or you will feel bad after this game.

Kerset open your eyes. Hopefully saying that gets him to vote you.

So, uh, V&M are now saying that i voted pops but not salamence because pops was the lead wagon. I assume this means i have been selective about who i omgussed, to maximize my chances to deflect the wagon on me onto someone who was being generally scumread.

Salamence instead accuses me that i am a compulsive omgusser because i voted V&M after they voted me.

Lol. If you haven't realized yet, that's how superficial you are being with your read on me. You are contradicting yourselves even without my intervention.

I strongly suggest that you drop your tunnel and go reread our exchanges with a cold mind
When you’re being sr by more than one person, do you entirely disagree that it looks opportunistic to vote the lead wagon or do you maintain, you’d still 100% be voting Pops, even if she weren’t?

It’s not a “tunnel”, I’m honestly trying to understand your motivations here.

Yes absolutely. Pops' push on me was bad and way off her town profile.

Salamence's push makes sense from his profile, but it's not such a huge towntell that i'd be wking him.

Wrt your push, i didn't know until i tested you, and i concluded that your push was emotional and therefore it makes sense. My read on you is stronger.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:39 am**

In post 1869, Venus and Mars wrote: This is obviously not how I scumcase a slot, so how either you or Fakran can view this as any kind of a tunnel, really blows my mind. When I scumcase a slot, I find a bunch of their quotes, which appear scummy to me and use them to convince others to sheep me. I am clearly not doing this.

For the record, you are clearly not tunneling today. You were yesterday.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:43 am**

In post 1870, Kerset wrote:Salamence i don't like your OMG responses. I am not saying that you can't disagree with everything but i would rather like you to have self-doubt reflections. If you approach allegation with assumption that you are virtuous, it won't be productive talk.

For example, i do agree with this but i'd still like kerset to answer to my [post]1830[/vote].

@kerset i'm not forcing you to vote pops now, i just want to know whether you trust severa or not, and if you're still scumreading her

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:43 am**

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:44 am**

And i fucked up bbcode again lol

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:45 am**

In post 1870, Kerset wrote:Salamence i don't like your OMG responses. I am not saying that you can't disagree with everything but i would rather like you to have self-doubt reflections. If you approach allegation with assumption that you are virtuous, it won't be productive talk.

If you read Farkran as town, who would you like to lynch right now besides me?

Im acting this way because every post Farkran made starting with a metadive of Bitmap has been really scummy to the point hes being obvious fmpov.

IF I AM WRONG AND FARKRAN IS TOWN, then I will probably give severa my vote tomorrow unless theres 2 kills without a vig claim, in which Im taking a serious look at *someone* or I start a TL wagon, idk.

While Im “tunneling,” Im game for TL (which wont happen) or Alch/Chem (which also wont happen).

I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:46 am**

Also Farkran is saying Shiro Drew is “reactionary and emotional” seems like a way to discredit them imo.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:50 am**

In post 1881, Salamence20 wrote: I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.

This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:53 am**

In post 1883, Farkran wrote:
In post 1881, Salamence20 wrote: I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.
This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

In post 1831, Venus and Mars wrote:Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:54 am**

In post 1830, Farkran wrote:
In post 1821, Kerset wrote:I change this read because he a lot of things happened. Do you think that my new read on Sal is based on events that happened before my previous read? I won't force view on pops just of sake of giving it. They might be SvS but it's mostly based on Sal swing, rather then pops actions.
Sorry if i insist but does this mean that you're still scumreading severa, however salamence is now your highest sr? Why? Do you think his swing and his death tunnel on me are scum-motivated?

More like I am scumleaning severa instead of SR, because i have proper SR over there. You shall not simplify my reads to single reaction to swing.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:56 am**

In post 1883, Farkran wrote:
In post 1881, Salamence20 wrote: I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.
This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

I think there is only one BG. Severa isnt “hardpushing” based on the claim, otherwise we would have a hammer by now

I dont think I should comment on anything else at this time.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:57 am**

In post 1884, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 1883, Farkran wrote:
In post 1881, Salamence20 wrote: I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.
This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

In post 1831, Venus and Mars wrote:Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.

Was that game a mini?

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:58 am**

In post 1882, Salamence20 wrote:Also Farkran is saying Shiro Drew is “reactionary and emotional” seems like a way to discredit them imo.

Yea

In post 1881, Salamence20 wrote: If you read Farkran as town, who would you like to lynch right now besides me?

Alchemist. Farkran is only one player, who can be wrong. I don't need to stop myself just because he disagree with me.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:59 am**

In post 1885, Kerset wrote:
In post 1830, Farkran wrote:
In post 1821, Kerset wrote:I change this read because he a lot of things happened. Do you think that my new read on Sal is based on events that happened before my previous read? I won't force view on pops just of sake of giving it. They might be SvS but it's mostly based on Sal swing, rather then pops actions.
Sorry if i insist but does this mean that you're still scumreading severa, however salamence is now your highest sr? Why? Do you think his swing and his death tunnel on me are scum-motivated?
More like I am scumleaning severa instead of SR, because i have proper SR over there. You shall not simplify my reads to single reaction to swing.

Ok, i think i got your stance on the gamestate. I kinda disagree with it, but i interpret it as "i don't care about the whole severa/pops/fark situation and i want to vote my highest sr regardless". It makes sense at this point in time. Thanks.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:00 am**

In post 1887, Salamence20 wrote:
In post 1884, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 1883, Farkran wrote:
In post 1881, Salamence20 wrote: I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.
This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

In post 1831, Venus and Mars wrote:Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.
Was that game a mini?

I don’t believe so but like I said there were 3 or 4 of the same thing. Under the Sea was a mini and there were 5 millers in that. And in Boundaries of Reality, also a mini, there were like 7 desperados in that.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:01 am**

I gave quite solid explanation about your case fark, so i care about you.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:03 am**

#1813 Is it not sufficient for you?

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:03 am**

In post 1831, Venus and Mars wrote:Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.

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What role had so many duplicates? Because bg is a pretty strong role to have more than one of. Nothing like a miller, for instance. Also, that desperado thing seems it was built around that specific mechanic rather than having many of the same role by coincidence.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:05 am**

In post 1891, Kerset wrote:I gave quite solid explanation about your case fark, so i care about you.

I wasn't being sarcastic, i'm ok with your answer for the time being

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:05 am**

In post 1892, Kerset wrote:#1813 Is it not sufficient for you?

I don’t recognize a single name on that list.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:06 am**

Despite TK saying “lolbalance” there still has to be a semblance of balance.

Unless scum are loaded I doubt theres duplicates. There could be another protective ability though.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:07 am**

In post 1893, Farkran wrote:
In post 1831, Venus and Mars wrote:Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.

What role had so many duplicates? Because bg is a pretty strong role to have more than one of. Nothing like a miller, for instance. Also, that desperado thing seems it was built around that specific mechanic rather than having many of the same role by coincidence.[/quote]

There was also one with multiple gunsmiths. This is my first TK game, have they had more than one of the same kind of role in their previous games? Anyone know?

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:09 am**

In post 1896, Salamence20 wrote:Despite TK saying “lolbalance” there still has to be a semblance of balance.

Unless scum are loaded I doubt theres duplicates. There could be another protective ability though.

TK is Alisae?

What is “loaded”?

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:11 am**

Meaning scum have stupidly op abilities

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