Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[NDMath]

I'm the only person openly entertaining NDMath-Blake town-town. Mmmmm....

{Insert quote about it being really hard to entertain an idea without accepting it.}

@Taly I put stock into convincing people I'm town when I'm being voted, otherwise I put in essentially none.

[NDMath]

Churros early posts look a lot better when I iso him with the assumption of Taly probably being scum.

As in his readlist and attitude towards taly early on make more sense to me when I look back realizing he's tunnelling taly from what he had read before replacing in.

[eyestott]

have you ever seen Sense8? That’s my favourite Netflix show.

[Churros]

Churros, does my read on you impact your read on me at all? Whether I scumread or townread you.

It's townier for you to revert on town reading me rather than flaking on me here, although I never expected scum!you to keep hard pushing me when I opened dialogue. I think you subconsciously would know it would look forced and you would flake a bit on your read on me and maybe return to it on a later day or try to make me TR you so you can NK me and look good.

Short answer: Not really.

Long asnwer: Kinda but still not really yet.

[Churros]

Eyesott can you be useful?

I believe you would have the potential to be useful if you're town.

[Churros]

V/LA through Weekend.

[nomnomnom]

VC 2.1

Blake Belladonna (3):

Churros, NDMath, Firebringer

NDMath (3):

Blake Belladonna, Paragon, Eyestott

Eyestott (1):

Taly

Not Voting:

Aloratom, Something_Smart

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-15 04:21:22)

[Aloratom]

congrats scum

I followed along somewhat and it took me a while to get either profii or BEF, although tbf I kinda did stop reading the game after d2 started loooool

oh

that's unfortunate

I will answer the rest later.

I don't understand how this "outed" Y'shtola. It certainly didn't connect her to you. I know when I saw that in the 2121 post-game and Y'shtola in this game I didn't think anything about it.

[Blake Belladonna]

I could see Math scum sure.

But I've trouble with his partners if Taly isn't exactly one. If Taly isn't scum who would be Math partners anyway.

I hard TR Paragon, it's my main read

I think Eyesott has terrible posts but I still town read how he approached pops

I mostly town read Ame, even though Fire presence so far has been a bit underwhelming even for him.

I don't get any bad pings from Allo and his interactions with Math doesn't look SvS.

Blake is...probably not a Math partner.

If Taly isn't scum with Math this game just doesn't make sense from a mathematical POV for me for scum!Math with a 3-man team. I don't feel as good about a Taly/Math solve though as I did before. I think one of them might be likely scum at this gamestate but their interactions are kinda "huh" for buddies the more I think about it.

Math/Something_Smart would be a more reasonable solve but what's the probability of only 2 scum or 2 scum + traitor anyway?

In the worst case scenario, we still gain information from a NDMath townflip, since it changes the course of what the scumteam are doing this game. It's better to have that information earlier rather than later if there isn't a strong reason why NDMath should not be the lynch today.

I don't think that looking directly for associatives is the strongest course of action at this stage, regardless. If we have confirmation that NDMath is indeed scum, then we can look into associatives more tomorrow.

[Blake Belladonna]

Mmm, that may change. Haven't felt anything overtly scum-indicative.

S_S

pings me more for lack of content,

NDMath

because of his lackluster D2 posting, and

Alo

also had net 0 to discuss when there was plenty of content to.

Part of my quick townreading of

Blake/Churros

is that I don't see why scum would still be in the limelight if town has been pretty much cannibalized each other this game so far.

And there's just so much opportunity for

Blake/Churros

to scumread, misrep, or dismiss the other people's POV but they're working cohesively last page.

So yeah, my reads are becoming PoE based, and it makes sense given the gamestate read where

Blake/Churros

are town since we're the most vocal.

Are you feeling okay, Taly?

This post doesn't feel like you at all.

[Blake Belladonna]

@Blake Convince me that I'm not playing quite similar to how you wish to play Rhul. (Minus the storytelling aspect obviously)

@Taly earlier you mentioned finding it weird that I care more about your read of me than other players' read of me. Here's an example:
Blake votes for me. "It's just one vote, I don't care."
Paragon votes for me. "Yep he's still scum."
eyestott votes for me. "I think I need that vote... I should be able to get it back later."
But now when I'm dropping out of your townreads and into your willing to hang pile I get concerned because I don't know what to do about it. I haven't managed to be townie this game -- I don't see how that will change. More importantly there is not a path for me to survive the day with your vote and voice against me instead of for me.

You're expecting me to be townie at a constant, as you're putting a lot of value into the *now* at any point in time, and that skews your reads away from me. I find myself as town having peaks of towniness which I struggle to maintain.

Why are you asking me to convince you of what you're thinking?

That's a very strange question to ask when your previous opinion of me is that I'm not genuine in the trajectories of my thought processes.

[Blake Belladonna]

The extra kill has to be from a form of vigilante. (1-shot, full, JOAT, etc.)

In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

'iInteresting' is a good word choice here.
VOTE: Blake

She was pretty much the only person who thought fuzzy's lynch would probably hit scum (maybe barring pops who fuzzy was tunnelling.) And I find it scummy how the flip against her reads almost makes her more confident in her reads.
I agree with Churros that her answers about Rhul don't quite hold up either.

I thought your read on Blake was Town. In fact, yesterday you said something about it not making any sense at all her being scum. Now she's hard scum? How does your read flip like that? It's essentially the obverse of what you just accused her of doing.

She wasn't hard scum, more emphasis on wanting something to come from Churro's push, as it was different from what I would expect from scum!Churros. I'm assuming by observe you meant reverse, to which most of reads haven't changed. I had to do some reconsidering since pops+fuzzy were dead and they were two main candidates to fill out a scum team with paragon and churros.

After seeing Blake's reaction I am scumreading Blake more and townreading churros more.

At some point I'll need to look back at Churros entrance and see if I still find it scummy or not.

Pedit: I agree I've followed your thoughts quite a bit. Because they are more similar to mine than most people and I've convinced myself you have to be town. Perhaps that's not towny, but I don't see what is scummy about it.

To everybody else still alive in the game, I'd like to point this out.

NDMath had just asked me to convince him that he's not doing the same thing that I did with Y'shtola Rhul, the account where I was purposely vague and trying to get my points across without directly shifting the game towards my own will. This is directly after he had gone out of his way to justify a scumread on me. To accentuate this further, there's no indication that Churros and I reconciling in a sense has created any shift in his thought process, or even that he realizes that it happened in the first place.

This entire thought process is fake. NDMath is scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

Churros, does my read on you impact your read on me at all? Whether I scumread or townread you.

Same question to Blake.

No.

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't like that

NDMath

puts a lot of stock into convincing others that he's town, but I like his reasoning to vote

Blake

since it feels odd that

Blake

is confident with her reads in the event that her only notable scumread D1 flipped town. 1791 I do find his

Paragon

progression weird as it did go from town to scum very quickly (as

Alo

noted very early in his ISO), I don't think

NDMath

has put much stock into explaining it, or trying to, so his desire in keeping my townread on him feels a bit like AtE. 519 565

I like that

Blake

has awareness of the gamestate and is working with slots she scumreads (

Churros

), but I don't like that she threw

Alo

into her same D1 lynchpool after voicing that he's a read that she'd defend D1 1365 1639. I think her

NDMath

vote is more defensive versus gamesolve-oriented because it's based around scumreading him off the gamestate versus any particular action. I know the points I make about

Blake

are specific to her abilities playstyle-wise, so it's hard to gauge what's AI.

I'm the only person openly entertaining

NDMath-Blake

town-town. Mmmmm....

Taly, are you scum?

[Blake Belladonna]

congrats scum

I followed along somewhat and it took me a while to get either profii or BEF, although tbf I kinda did stop reading the game after d2 started loooool

oh

that's unfortunate

I will answer the rest later.

I don't understand how this "outed" Y'shtola. It certainly didn't connect her to you. I know when I saw that in the 2121 post-game and Y'shtola in this game I didn't think anything about it.

It takes very little effort to determine who I am from those posts, since there was only one spectator of the game.

Importantly, it's very hard for me to determine if somebody does or is willing to do that work, and Y'shtola Rhul only works as a playstyle if my identity is hidden, so caution is the better option in this case to prevent future awkward interactions.

[Aloratom]

It takes very little effort to determine who I am from those posts, since there was only one spectator of the game.

Importantly, it's very hard for me to determine if somebody does or is willing to do that work, and Y'shtola Rhul only works as a playstyle if my identity is hidden, so caution is the better option in this case to prevent future awkward interactions.

Fair enough.

[Something_Smart]

Why not Churros or I getting BoP'd?

I'm trying very hard to phrase this in a way that doesn't sound like an insult lol. I guess the best way is to just be blunt? In my experience, Blake's reads have been better than yours, and it's not that yours are bad, just that hers are very good

As for Churros I don't know who that is so of course I wouldn't BoP them.

[Aloratom]

I’m willing to contribute to this wagon, but I won’t let the hammer happen before Ame is back.
VOTE: NDMath
I don’t believe the reads are genuine

Also fml with the new lockdown stuff for Australia today my plans to finally get some may be postponed for another few months

Sorry for the recent inactivity y'all, its been a mix of hectic life brought on by lockdown procedures in victoria (now you can be fined $1600 for a public gathering of more than 2 people not of the same household!) and utter confusion. I'm willing to be the hammer vote for fuzzy if his claim doesn't change circumstances.

Good morning.

I think there's very low odds I don't support an NDMath lynch today, but I will still do my due diligence and look into the game further regardless.

ur scum aren't u

Are you reading NDMath Town?

[Aloratom]

Good morning.

I think there's very low odds I don't support an NDMath lynch today, but I will still do my due diligence and look into the game further regardless.

ur scum aren't u

Are you reading NDMath Town?

[Aloratom]

I’m willing to contribute to this wagon, but I won’t let the hammer happen before Ame is back.
VOTE: NDMath
I don’t believe the reads are genuine

Also fml with the new lockdown stuff for Australia today my plans to finally get some may be postponed for another few months

oof, I'm going to be doing people's work for them...

Alo/NDMath/Luca

are actually next ISOs.

Luca

, I'm having a lot of trouble fathoming the votepark wagon on

NDMath

.

For 50+ pages of content, a replace-in getting the lynch for a

"bad readslist"

that's no worse than most other readslist in this game - AND has expressed that they haven't provided a full train of thought... it's just doesn't feel lynch-worthy, or overtly scum-indicative.

With this stagnant voting near EoD1, I'm starting to think most of scum have casted their votes and have consistently bloc'ed onto one of the day's major wagons, potentially even the current ones

Fuzzy/NDMath

.

I believe town is on that wagon, but I don't think it's scum-pushed... If the problem people have with

NDMath

is

"their reasoning being faked"

then why don't they put effort in themselves to read them?

Regardless of

NDMath's

alignment, I don't think this wagon is getting anywhere other than one of the stalest ass lynches that we could pull right now.

I'm thoroughly unconvinced and I'm even more vexed that people aren't trying to convince me. It's sketchy as hell considering the gamestate.

Very good point, Taly. Specifically that last line. UNVOTE:
If you had some voting power; who would you have lynched today?

Sorry for the recent inactivity y'all, its been a mix of hectic life brought on by lockdown procedures in victoria (now you can be fined $1600 for a public gathering of more than 2 people not of the same household!) and utter confusion. I'm willing to be the hammer vote for fuzzy if his claim doesn't change circumstances.

Oh I thought he was at L-1. VOTE: Fuzzy
Now he is.

You unvoted NDMath Day 1 because it was a stale wagon. Then you ended up voting for Fuzzy, but you didn't give a reason for voting for him. And today you're voting NDMath out of the gate. Did you have a scum read on NDMath yesterday and just give up on it?

[Paragon]

Honestly I think it's reasonable.

I'm overgamed not in terms of time but in terms of brainpower, and I haven't been putting enough effort into this game. My apologies.

Me too. I'm in a really terrible mindset to play mafia right now. Sorry.

Thoughts from last few pages:

I agree with Blake, still want NDMath to be the lynch today.
When I'm feeling more up for this, I want to reread eyestott, I may have been townreading him based off personality which is NAI. He hasn't done enough this game for me.
Aloratom is still town.

[Taly]

I'm the only person openly entertaining NDMath-Blake town-town. Mmmmm....

{Insert quote about it being really hard to entertain an idea without accepting it.}

I don't vibe with this statement. I'm evaluating the wagons.

@Taly I put stock into convincing people I'm town when I'm being voted, otherwise I put in essentially none.

My issue is that I don't see much stock placed elsewhere, you went quickly from townreading

Blake

to scumreading her, but haven't really pushed beyond that.

Churros, does my read on you impact your read on me at all? Whether I scumread or townread you.

It's townier for you to revert on town reading me rather than flaking on me here, although I never expected scum!you to keep hard pushing me when I opened dialogue.

I think you subconsciously would know it would look forced and you would flake a bit on your read on me and maybe return to it on a later day or try to make me TR you so you can NK me and look good.

Short answer: Not really.

Long asnwer: Kinda but still not really yet.

I'm trying to find people to work with, not have people towncase me.

I could see Math scum sure.

But I've trouble with his partners if Taly isn't exactly one. If Taly isn't scum who would be Math partners anyway.

I hard TR Paragon, it's my main read

I think Eyesott has terrible posts but I still town read how he approached pops

I mostly town read Ame, even though Fire presence so far has been a bit underwhelming even for him.

I don't get any bad pings from Allo and his interactions with Math doesn't look SvS.

Blake is...probably not a Math partner.

If Taly isn't scum with Math this game just doesn't make sense from a mathematical POV for me for scum!Math with a 3-man team. I don't feel as good about a Taly/Math solve though as I did before. I think one of them might be likely scum at this gamestate but their interactions are kinda "huh" for buddies the more I think about it.

Math/Something_Smart would be a more reasonable solve but what's the probability of only 2 scum or 2 scum + traitor anyway?

In the worst case scenario, we still gain information from a NDMath townflip, since it changes the course of what the scumteam are doing this game. It's better to have that information earlier rather than later if there isn't a strong reason why NDMath should not be the lynch today.

I don't think that looking directly for associatives is the strongest course of action at this stage, regardless. If we have confirmation that NDMath is indeed scum, then we can look into associatives more tomorrow.

I don't think we can afford a mislynch, so I'm having trouble vibing with the idea of

"if

NDMath

is town, we have information"

I'm really trying to follow what you believe the scumteam is doing this game but I get the idea that it's problematic if you voice that, so I need a more elaborate breakdown of the gamestate or more sound reasons to scumread and lynch

NDMath

.

Mmm, that may change. Haven't felt anything overtly scum-indicative.

S_S

pings me more for lack of content,

NDMath

because of his lackluster D2 posting, and

Alo

also had net 0 to discuss when there was plenty of content to.

Part of my quick townreading of

Blake/Churros

is that I don't see why scum would still be in the limelight if town has been pretty much cannibalized each other this game so far.

And there's just so much opportunity for

Blake/Churros

to scumread, misrep, or dismiss the other people's POV but they're working cohesively last page.

So yeah, my reads are becoming PoE based, and it makes sense given the gamestate read where

Blake/Churros

are town since we're the most vocal.

Are you feeling okay, Taly?

This post doesn't feel like you at all.

No.

I don't like that

NDMath

puts a lot of stock into convincing others that he's town, but I like his reasoning to vote

Blake

since it feels odd that

Blake

is confident with her reads in the event that her only notable scumread D1 flipped town. 1791 I do find his

Paragon

progression weird as it did go from town to scum very quickly (as

Alo

noted very early in his ISO), I don't think

NDMath

has put much stock into explaining it, or trying to, so his desire in keeping my townread on him feels a bit like AtE. 519 565

I like that

Blake

has awareness of the gamestate and is working with slots she scumreads (

Churros

), but I don't like that she threw

Alo

into her same D1 lynchpool after voicing that he's a read that she'd defend D1 1365 1639. I think her

NDMath

vote is more defensive versus gamesolve-oriented because it's based around scumreading him off the gamestate versus any particular action. I know the points I make about

Blake

are specific to her abilities playstyle-wise, so it's hard to gauge what's AI.

I'm the only person openly entertaining

NDMath-Blake

town-town. Mmmmm....

Taly, are you scum?

Problem:

I'm having a horrible time following anyone's judgment here, nor have people understood mine.

Solution:

Voice my thought process unfiltered and see how people respond.

[Taly]

I don't know how to be clearer if I tried.

I'm townhunting so I can build a solve with town, not just because I'm having trouble with any clear solves on the game right now, but also to promote town cohesion.

[Firebringer]

Good morning.

I think there's very low odds I don't support an NDMath lynch today, but I will still do my due diligence and look into the game further regardless.

ur scum aren't u

Are you reading NDMath Town?

I am gonna go with null, because I barely remember his posts

[Taly]

I think I need a meta rework after this game, I depend too much on people's willingness to initiate and approach me... and people to form reads similarly to me, through cases and details.

It doesn't help that my content does change tonally like

Blake

said - and IRL has been... not the greatest. I miss January... I'm also doing hydra-withdrawals, so I can't second-guess my thinking so much this game and yield a constructive response since nobody is my sounding board.

Might do what

Blake

does and use alts to help develop different playstyles.



I don't see the wagons changing so regardless of alignment, everyone feels set about this.

Blake

, that was why I was sorting both you and

NDMath

1888 the way I was. I think your response of suspecting me notes more that you're still actively solving other than listing people to lynch. I didn't get as much of a favorable response as

NDMath

.

I'll probably L-1 soon. I wished to have more thoughts from

Paragon/Eyestott/S_S

but pulling teeth hasn't given me much read clarity this game.