https://forum.mafiascum-staging.net/
sometimes I think mafia posts can only be attack or defense, and any post that tries to be somewhere in the middle just looks scummy to most players. (though i'm sure if i had proclaimed mavs' claim good you would have called me scummy too)
i don't agree with this response, because it seems like it doesn't actually respond to anything i wrote. you could have said the same thing about votato no matter what was in my case. what are these 'unpopular votes' and 'good posts'?In post 1864, VP Baltar wrote:I mean, I can't argue that votato has had some very weird plays this game. That stuck out to me early on when I pushed for his lynch Day 1. I think I said this earlier, but votato feels reckless in a town way. He's taking chances and putting unpopular votes out there at times when it feels like he could coast more. He's also had some good posts along side some of the bad ones.In post 1720, CantHateAPuppy wrote:votato started with a very flimsy read on Atarashi/hellbooks, which he claimed was based on reading other games, but his read was inconsistent. (His read was in two parts, one was based on Atarashi's scum game, the other was based on the fact that he'd never actually seen Atarashi's scum game.) he was just trying to look like he put work inIn post 1703, VP Baltar wrote:@Puppy - if the mavs lynch doesn't happen today, what do you think is the best compromise? Can you sum up the votato case for me?
a lot of his other reads show the same trait, i think this case keeps getting better and better! (look at his midway vote in 1066, it's totally empty.)
i also don't like the way he sided with gamma against blair. i almost think he sided too strongly with gamma, but looking again I still don't like it. see 1110 where he complains about blair posting too much without content. For comparison, 1677 he talks about how high his postcount is, and tries to quiz quick about voting for midway. (Wasn't that one of votato's scumtells?)
I also think if Votato makes a lot of sense with Gamma, he makes a lot of sense with Mav. This is kind of arbitrary, not sure i want to put too much into building a team right now. but read each iso looking for mentions of the other and it looks like distancing
why does being a weird guy make me scummy?Yes, I agree with this. That suggestion still sticks with me as weird. It was very clear to almost everyone that we need to clear up the investigation.mavs to puppy wrote:By suggesting not lynching either, you were accepting Blair’s claim but refusing to vote Gamma. And the lack of a flip there wouldn’t give town any good information.
votato makes weird post: i sleepIn post 1750, votato wrote:also this quick system sounds a lot like the system I'm using this game: pretend to be a scummy townie so people ignore your scummy posts, wait for lylo, and then fake cry to get sympathy so the dumb townies lynch someone else. Muahaha
What about what I just posted is "black box thinking" And what does that even mean? I'm not even thinking you are Scummy for this, but please explain why when I make a very logical post that this is the time that you bring up that my thinking is weird, thanks.In post 1875, votato wrote:i mean quick always has black box thinking. and i have absolutely zero faith in his system/scumhunting. but i still think there are better lynch candidates. namely, puppy and midway. and probably hellbooks?
In post 625, Umlaut wrote:NoPowerOverMe, VP Baltar, mavsfan41,Gammagooey
votato(3):CantLynchAPuppy, iDanyboy,Nauci
VP Baltar(2): votato, ready2rock
(2): Atarashi Hajimari, QuickNoPowerOverMe
Quick(1):Blair
Not Voting(1): Peter Pan
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)
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- Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.
In post 700, Umlaut wrote:NoPowerOverMe[/b] (5): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick, mavsfan41,Blair, votato
votato(4):CantLynchAPuppy,iDanyboy,Nauci, NoPowerOverMe
ready2rock(2): VP Baltar,Gammagooey
Not Voting(2): ready2rock, Peter Pan
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)
Notes:[/area][/color]
- Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.
In post 800, Umlaut wrote:NoPowerOverMe[/b] (6): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick, mavsfan41,Blair, votato, ready2rock
ready2rock(3): VP Baltar,Gammagooey,CantLynchAPuppy
votato(3): iDanyboy,Nauci, NoPowerOverMe
Not Voting(1):Peter Pan
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)
Notes:[/color]
- Seeking a replacement for Peter Pan.
- Atarashi Hajimari and iDanyboy each have (expired on 2020-05-18 18:52:00) to pick up their prods.[/area]
here are some things to note about the wagon movements day 1:In post 858, Umlaut wrote:NoPowerOverMe[/b] (7): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick, mavsfan41,Blair, votato, ready2rock, Dunnstral
ready2rock(5): VP Baltar,Gammagooey,CantLynchAPuppy, Nauci, NoPowerOverMe
votato(1): iDanyboy
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.[/area][/color]
In post 625, Umlaut wrote:ready2rock[/b] (4):NoPowerOverMe, VP Baltar,mavsfan41,Gammagooey
votato(3):CantLynchAPuppy, iDanyboy,Nauci
VP Baltar(2): votato,ready2rock
(2): Atarashi Hajimari, QuickNoPowerOverMe
Quick(1):Blair
Not Voting(1): Peter Pan
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)
Notes:[/area][/color]
- Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.
In post 700, Umlaut wrote:NoPowerOverMe[/b] (5): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick,mavsfan41,Blair, votato
votato(4):CantLynchAPuppy,iDanyboy,Nauci, NoPowerOverMe
(2): VP Baltar,ready2rockGammagooey
Not Voting(2):ready2rock, Peter Pan
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)
Notes:[/area][/color]
- Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.
In post 800, Umlaut wrote:NoPowerOverMe[/b] (6): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick,mavsfan41,Blair, votato,ready2rock
(3): VP Baltar,ready2rockGammagooey,CantLynchAPuppy
votato(3): iDanyboy,Nauci, NoPowerOverMe
Not Voting(1):Peter Pan
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)
Notes:[/color]
- Seeking a replacement for Peter Pan.
- Atarashi Hajimari and iDanyboy each have (expired on 2020-05-18 18:52:00) to pick up their prods.[/area]
looking at this convinces me that town r2r makes more sense. D1 did not feel like scum struggling to run up NPOM on a wagon to avoid their scumbuddy on the other wagon from getting lynched. (again i don't think Gamma would not have sat coolly on the r2r wagon.)In post 858, Umlaut wrote:NoPowerOverMe[/b] (7): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick,mavsfan41,Blair, votato,ready2rock, Dunnstral
(5): VP Baltar,ready2rockGammagooey,CantLynchAPuppy, Nauci, NoPowerOverMe
votato(1): iDanyboy
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In post 1237, votato wrote:yeah wtf. you can resolve that later. but today we lynch gamma. VOTE: gamma. thats L-1In post 1204, CantHateAPuppy wrote:959 is actually a good case on r2r from votato, makes me want to go back to my case on votato from d1 and figure out if i still agree with it. would be entirely happy at this point to resolve between votato/r2r from yesterday, still
just to be clear, it's highly unlikely votato didn't see VP's vote before him on gamma because of how MS notifies you when posts have been made between start post and end postIn post 1240, votato wrote:ok well thats actually a hammer
votato: what was scummy about r2r putting NPOM at L-1 when you did that yourself a few pages later?In post 785, votato wrote:and just a few pages ago i called you town...In post 781, ready2rock wrote:OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM
VOTE: NPOM
That's L-1.
Then why aren't you voting votato rn?In post 1884, CantHateAPuppy wrote:In post 1237, votato wrote:yeah wtf. you can resolve that later. but today we lynch gamma. VOTE: gamma. thats L-1In post 1204, CantHateAPuppy wrote:959 is actually a good case on r2r from votato, makes me want to go back to my case on votato from d1 and figure out if i still agree with it. would be entirely happy at this point to resolve between votato/r2r from yesterday, stilljust to be clear, it's highly unlikely votato didn't see VP's vote before him on gamma because of how MS notifies you when posts have been made between start post and end postIn post 1240, votato wrote:ok well thats actually a hammer
it's possible that he clicked through it or didn't realize, but i don't think votato has ever actually clarified how this happened. it's a little convenient if you ask me that he hammered scum on "accident" when he'd spent all day defending that scum
how was dunn allowed to get away with this?
In post 798, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Personally I think you should hold off of any hammers until the replacement is here.
In post 826, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Hi Dunnstral, hope you are adept in IdentifyingBadWagons TM.
even if he says "please lynch me", NPOM has to have known that he was a PR and probably assumed he wouldn't get lynched when he claimed (798 is really suggestive here, dude did not believe he would get lynched)In post 665, NoPowerOverMe wrote:No please, lynch me to prove there are scum on my wagon.
i was, and then as i was rereading the game i decided to back off to avoid tunneling.In post 1886, Quick wrote:Then why aren't you voting votato rn?
There have been many opportunities to bring this up and talk about it. I have talked about it earlier trying to facilitate discussion on this earlier. If you wanted to push this, you had your chance much earlier in the game.
You don't have to unvote to stop tunneling... Come on now.In post 1889, CantHateAPuppy wrote:i was, and then as i was rereading the game i decided to back off to avoid tunneling.In post 1886, Quick wrote:Then why aren't you voting votato rn?
as i reread my votato suspicions keep looking better and better. but let me finish first.
what makes you think that it was the L-1 that was the scummy part of that post?In post 1885, CantHateAPuppy wrote:votato: what was scummy about r2r putting NPOM at L-1 when you did that yourself a few pages later?In post 785, votato wrote:and just a few pages ago i called you town...In post 781, ready2rock wrote:OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM
VOTE: NPOM
That's L-1.
did the official conversation window expire? if you want to talk about this, why would you be annoyed that i now also want to talk about this?In post 1890, Quick wrote:
There have been many opportunities to bring this up and talk about it. I have talked about it earlier trying to facilitate discussion on this earlier. If you wanted to push this, you had your chance much earlier in the game.
yeah, so what? do you really want to argue with me about why i unvoted while im rereading the game? out of everything i've had to say in the last three pages, this is really what strikes you? this is what you want to talk about?In post 1891, Quick wrote:You don't have to unvote to stop tunneling... Come on now.In post 1889, CantHateAPuppy wrote:i was, and then as i was rereading the game i decided to back off to avoid tunneling.In post 1886, Quick wrote:Then why aren't you voting votato rn?
as i reread my votato suspicions keep looking better and better. but let me finish first.
i'm not sure, you kind of left it ambiguous. if i'm wrong please correct me!In post 1892, votato wrote:what makes you think that it was the L-1 that was the scummy part of that post?In post 1885, CantHateAPuppy wrote:votato: what was scummy about r2r putting NPOM at L-1 when you did that yourself a few pages later?In post 785, votato wrote:and just a few pages ago i called you town...In post 781, ready2rock wrote:OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM
VOTE: NPOM
That's L-1.
youre wrongIn post 1894, CantHateAPuppy wrote:i'm not sure, you kind of left it ambiguous. if i'm wrong please correct me!In post 1892, votato wrote:what makes you think that it was the L-1 that was the scummy part of that post?In post 1885, CantHateAPuppy wrote:votato: what was scummy about r2r putting NPOM at L-1 when you did that yourself a few pages later?In post 785, votato wrote:and just a few pages ago i called you town...In post 781, ready2rock wrote:OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM
VOTE: NPOM
That's L-1.
You're only putting in this work at this point in the game because people are calling for your lynch. Right?In post 1893, CantHateAPuppy wrote:did the official conversation window expire? if you want to talk about this, why would you be annoyed that i now also want to talk about this?In post 1890, Quick wrote:
There have been many opportunities to bring this up and talk about it. I have talked about it earlier trying to facilitate discussion on this earlier. If you wanted to push this, you had your chance much earlier in the game.
yeah, so what? do you really want to argue with me about why i unvoted while im rereading the game? out of everything i've had to say in the last three pages, this is really what strikes you? this is what you want to talk about?In post 1891, Quick wrote:You don't have to unvote to stop tunneling... Come on now.In post 1889, CantHateAPuppy wrote:i was, and then as i was rereading the game i decided to back off to avoid tunneling.In post 1886, Quick wrote:Then why aren't you voting votato rn?
as i reread my votato suspicions keep looking better and better. but let me finish first.
its unlikely, yet thats what happened. there are three scenarios i think are possible, but i have no idea which is true, since i didnt see a preview pane.In post 1884, CantHateAPuppy wrote:In post 1237, votato wrote:yeah wtf. you can resolve that later. but today we lynch gamma. VOTE: gamma. thats L-1In post 1204, CantHateAPuppy wrote:959 is actually a good case on r2r from votato, makes me want to go back to my case on votato from d1 and figure out if i still agree with it. would be entirely happy at this point to resolve between votato/r2r from yesterday, stilljust to be clear, it's highly unlikely votato didn't see VP's vote before him on gamma because of how MS notifies you when posts have been made between start post and end postIn post 1240, votato wrote:ok well thats actually a hammer
it's possible that he clicked through it or didn't realize, but i don't think votato has ever actually clarified how this happened. it's a little convenient if you ask me that he hammered scum on "accident" when he'd spent all day defending that scum
In post 975, Umlaut wrote:ready2rock(2):Gammagooey, mavsfan41
(1): votatoCantLynchAPuppy
(1):GammagooeyBlair
votato(1): Quick
Not Voting(6): ready2rock,CantLynchAPuppy, VP Baltar, midwaybear, Atarashi Hajimari, Dunnstral
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline:(expired on 2020-05-30 13:06:00)
Notes:[/area]
- Atarashi Hajimari has (expired on 2020-05-21 13:06:00) to pick up their prod from yesterday.
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In post 1068, Umlaut wrote:(3):GammagooeyBlair, Dunnstral, ready2rock
ready2rock(2):Gammagooey, mavsfan41
midwaybear(2): votato, Quick
Not Voting(4):CantLynchAPuppy, Atarashi Hajimari, VP Baltar, midwaybear
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline:(expired on 2020-05-30 13:06:00)
Notes:[/area]
- Atarashi Hajimari has (expired on 2020-05-21 13:06:00) to pick up their prod from yesterday.
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In post 1129, Umlaut wrote:ready2rock(3):Gammagooey, mavsfan41, Quick
(3):GammagooeyBlair, Dunnstral, ready2rock
(2): VP Baltar, votatoBlair
Not Voting(3):CantLynchAPuppy, hellbooks, midwaybear
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline:(expired on 2020-05-30 13:06:00)[/area]
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day 2 isn't as interesting, especially because of the claim shorting the normal wagon development.In post 1267, Umlaut wrote:(6):GammagooeyBlair, Dunnstral, ready2rock, midwaybear, VP Baltar, votato
ready2rock(2): mavsfan41, Quick
Blair(1):Gammagooey
Not Voting(2):CantLynchAPuppy, hellbooks
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