In post 1667, northsidegal wrote:or i would just never so confidently declare that i'm playing my town game. furthermore, there have been games where i've made almost exactly the same comment as town: that i am unambiguously playing my towngame and that other people in the playerlist who know me should recognize this and would never vote for me.
Then i think your scumgame is just really low. As i’ve identified slots that are strong townplayers and confidently sure they would correctly townread me and done what i can to pocket them by saying: "this is obviously my towngame" when i am scum, and it’s worked like an charm. What makes JJ and i uncapable of something you cannot?
That is actually true, nsg practically has no scumgame because she absolutely hates playing it. I don’t know how that necessarily affects her reads though but I would find her argument far more persuasive if she had a viable scum resume.
In post 1667, northsidegal wrote:or i would just never so confidently declare that i'm playing my town game. furthermore, there have been games where i've made almost exactly the same comment as town: that i am unambiguously playing my towngame and that other people in the playerlist who know me should recognize this and would never vote for me.
Then i think your scumgame is just really low. As i’ve identified slots that are strong townplayers and confidently sure they would correctly townread me and done what i can to pocket them by saying: "this is obviously my towngame" when i am scum, and it’s worked like an charm. What makes JJ and i uncapable of something you cannot?
almost nothing in mafia is about whether or not something is capable of something, it's about the probabilities. the
probability
that
any
town player with somewhat distinct towngames and scumgames would make a comment like that is—in my estimation—low, for the reasons that i said there. thus, i consider it town-indicative. you aren't the same kind of player as jjh is or as i am, so i wouldn't apply the same analysis to you that i would to him. just the same way i said that moon shouldn't apply the same analysis she would to scum!RC to jjh.
Maybe yes, maybe no. For years Creature had a frozen or wooden scumgame and now it’s decent. It’s possible I could still be wrong on jjh but not for this reason.
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:12 pm
by Gamma Emerald
So it turns out my “lost” progress actually got saved all along so I’ll determine what parts I want to keep out of my first and second draft of part I covered twice (the re-do started from a previous save)
In post 1667, northsidegal wrote:or i would just never so confidently declare that i'm playing my town game. furthermore, there have been games where i've made almost exactly the same comment as town: that i am unambiguously playing my towngame and that other people in the playerlist who know me should recognize this and would never vote for me.
Then i think your scumgame is just really low. As i’ve identified slots that are strong townplayers and confidently sure they would correctly townread me and done what i can to pocket them by saying: "this is obviously my towngame" when i am scum, and it’s worked like an charm. What makes JJ and i uncapable of something you cannot?
almost nothing in mafia is about whether or not something is capable of something, it's about the probabilities. the
probability
that
any
town player with somewhat distinct towngames and scumgames would make a comment like that is—in my estimation—low, for the reasons that i said there. thus, i consider it town-indicative. you aren't the same kind of player as jjh is or as i am, so i wouldn't apply the same analysis to you that i would to him. just the same way i said that moon shouldn't apply the same analysis she would to scum!RC to jjh.
Maybe yes, maybe no. For years Creature had a frozen or wooden scumgame and now it’s decent. It’s possible I could still be wrong on jjh but not for this reason.
In post 1667, northsidegal wrote:or i would just never so confidently declare that i'm playing my town game. furthermore, there have been games where i've made almost exactly the same comment as town: that i am unambiguously playing my towngame and that other people in the playerlist who know me should recognize this and would never vote for me.
Then i think your scumgame is just really low. As i’ve identified slots that are strong townplayers and confidently sure they would correctly townread me and done what i can to pocket them by saying: "this is obviously my towngame" when i am scum, and it’s worked like an charm. What makes JJ and i uncapable of something you cannot?
almost nothing in mafia is about whether or not something is capable of something, it's about the probabilities. the
probability
that
any
town player with somewhat distinct towngames and scumgames would make a comment like that is—in my estimation—low, for the reasons that i said there. thus, i consider it town-indicative. you aren't the same kind of player as jjh is or as i am, so i wouldn't apply the same analysis to you that i would to him. just the same way i said that moon shouldn't apply the same analysis she would to scum!RC to jjh.
And this is exactly why scum would do so. Every good scumgame i've had i always try to do what i know people will think: "scum!Norwee would never do this".
I guess it makes sense for you to claim players are different, but in that case. Are you saying JJH has had the exact same playstyle in all his games up to now and never changed his strategies as scum?
Yeah nsg, that really isn’t a great argument. I am having more doubts but uh. I mean in uPick he was off the charts bleeding obvtown, so I would locktown him here if I saw that.
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:19 pm
by Mia and Maya Fey
In post 1697, Moongrass wrote:I think there's clearly a split in the game with jjh mastina on one side and Fey nm on the other. If both groups are town then the game gets tricky.
You mean on jjh? I think Mastina’s probably town irrespective of jjh’s alignment.
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:23 pm
by Mia and Maya Fey
In post 1704, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Also, nothing makes me less wanting of listening to anyone's arguments than: "I won an paragon".
Sheesh.
RC misvigged my hydra AFTER winning one and wrongly sr me in another game. Paragon means that they’re reads are better than average not fooproof. I’m more persuaded by arguments like I have a reliable BoP on player X but RC got Alch miselimed based off of that, so eh.
In post 1674, Moongrass wrote:If I had rolled scum here I'd be playing to make sure nsg and mastina townread me.
Very good point actually.
moon why Mastina? Wouldn’t you say nsg, norwee and dgb?
Those are the players I'd be afraid of if I were scum and they were not. Confirmed town just means you can't lim them, it doesn't mean they're more likely to catch you.
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:33 pm
by cyrus62
We need a vote count before any more votes are cast
In post 1652, northsidegal wrote:think you can try to explain this one? pretty sure you're just wrong here
I skim read everyone and kept making readlists that made no sense based on potential teams. I kept putting jjh up top and when I shifted him down, the team of FMFT/mastina/jjh didn't look as bad as the others.
Jjh is playing a great game here, but it's too great, almost clinical minus his hiccup at the start defending me.
Nom I think is town based on her interactions that aren't her pushing into me. Her response to you in particular, shifted my read there.
There are plenty of players here that know mastina well enough to not be scumreading her in the dark, and her shift on the hydra was just gross.
If mastina and jjh are not partnered I don't think that nullifies jjh being scum if mastina is just unengaged.
My head is literally spinning reading moon’s posts. They change their mind from one post to the next.
I thought so but I only have one vote. If he is scum then I think Fey is more likely scum too which I don't mind.
???
Are you planning to explain this? @moon
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:47 pm
by Mia and Maya Fey
In post 1719, Moongrass wrote:Nsg that's where you ignore the other person. We all know you're great, can you please redirect onto if my wagon was a counter and what nom scum means for NK?
Norwee was over the top and should definitely apologize to nsg for that but you’re being unfairly dismissive of him. He is actually one of the nicest people on MS.
In post 1642, cyrus62 wrote:is no one else seeing how hard it is to get a nk hammer . think we need 7 votes if there is 3 scum here and nither of them are voting nk15 then thats why its takeing so long.
Based on this you seem to be thinking scum would hammer here if NK15 was town? My question is, why do you think they'd respond to obvious bait like what you're doing?
+1
This is true, I don’t put too much stock into these kind of wifom type of arguments.
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:56 pm
by Mia and Maya Fey
In post 1765, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'd consider Nomnom!scum, but it's hard when all i feel like i'm seeing is an dogpile, and Moon yet again switching his reads like an sleazy politician always turning wherever the conditions are favourable.
Well first she says that a nom team doesn’t make sense then she says we’re buddies? And exactly how does NK15 fit into that at all?
Playerlist:
Prods Indicated with *
Bold = Confirmed
Players
Titus
mastina
cyrus62, replacing
KorVex
jjh927
Mia and Maya Fey (NancyDrew/DKKoba Hydra)
Not_Mafia
DrippingGoofball
northsidegal
Free Money Free Tea
House
NorwegianboyEE
Moongrass
Gamma Emerald
nomnomnom
Not Known 15
Spoiler: The Stumped
northsidegal,
TREESTUMP
, is aligned with the town. She may not be targeted by any actions and has no vote.
NorwegianboyEE,
TREESTUMP
, is aligned with the town. He may not be targeted by any actions and has no vote.
Spoiler: The Living
Titus
mastina
cyrus62
jjh927
Mia and Maya Fey
Not_Mafia
DrippingGoofball
Free Money Free Tea
House
Moongrass
Gamma Emerald
nomnomnom
Not Known 15
Spoiler: The Dead
Spoiler: We Dare Not Speak Their Names (The Modkilled)
In post 1784, Gamma Emerald wrote:I checked the activity overview and it seems like the Feys' activity has fallen off a little. Not sure what to make of that yet.
I’ve been sleeping most of the day. :/. As someone who I believe threatened to “end” a player in a past game for what you correctly read as a bs activity read (my words), I’m surprised you’d even bring something like that up.
