said he had a townread on me and wanted to share his rb target without announcing in thread.
we talked about the mastina kill,
then [after something_smart outed his results] had a long chat about gamma and something_smart.
i originally trusted it instantly because the numbers did add up.
he showed what he was thinking during the night;
scum wouldve bid more on hitman if they could (other scum mustve bid 499+), he was wary of something_smarts claim because of this. though he knew there was a chance something_smart was truthful.
then i started having second guesses about gamma.
talked about gamma possibly being framed, i tried to figure out how gamma couldve been framed. i mentioned susing you around this time.
at this point he had reads something like
-he could see you being possible scum, but liked ur posts.
-thought smoke had bad posts, but would prob be town is gamma was scum
-something_smart could be bussing, but thats risky. felt like watcher wouldve been killed instead of mastina (if watcher was town).
i mentioned i thought of the possibility of something_smart bussing but thought they wouldve just faked a guilty on you instead.
mentioned how smokes posts at this point eased my worries about gamma. this is where i said gamma would prob be scum
the numbers to him seemed a bit planned i think, he said it felt too easy.
he talked about scum lying about bids, he mentioned something_smart and smoke in this post.
i asked if smoke wouldve bussed so early into a game.
he said he could see it, talked about how if he was partners with pooky he would've just told pooky to not post so that they could play the meta to their advantage.
mentioned how ^ is an outside possibility, at this point he said its more likely something_smart and you, ssbm_kyouko > or if hes wrong about gamma, it would be you and gamma.
i mentioned how gamma as town would've prob voted something_smart alot quicker, and mentioned how u didnt seem town based on ur play (d5).
he mentioned how someone used the "voting alot quicker" argument on him before > so it isnt certain.
he asked if its common that scum cant see the bids they hid, he thought if it wasnt common knowledge that this couldve been a scumtell on you (that you knew)
i mentioned how you pushed him not voting cupcake instantly
i asked if gamma did anything to help town, mentioned how something_smart has done more.
i mentioned how you felt like you were keeping options open + trying to please easier to convinced people.
mentioned how im the worst person to ask about what the common knowledge is.
he agreed gamma hasnt done much, if it werent for the watcher result and the hitman bid he wouldve voted gamma based on content.
he mentioned if its gamma, he thought remaining scum would try to get a miselim on him. he thought it wouldve been a big red flag of whoever that person is.
i mentioned how itll be easier if he isnt killed,
mentioned possibilty of if the remaining scum had a hitman they might leave him alone.
[gamma flips around this time]
he wanted to see if a something_smart roleblock will work, didnt think he could have hitman (scum reversing bids seemed too risky).
he said theres no use for scum to no kill in this scenario since that would give us an extra miselim chance.
he said it was most likely something_smart would be cleared, and one of me/smoke dies.
i mentioned how i dont think something_smart has hitman as well,
mentioned how i think ur (ssbm_kyouko) scum, and how i think ull try to get imaginality miselimed.
we talked about how sure i was on this read on you.
hopefully this is allowed..? ill cry if not lol-
hopefully its understandable who said what..?
So if SS knew he was being rb’d from this post, his not townlocking looks even worse because I honestly can’t see why scum!you ever makes this post
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:15 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 1827, Something_Smart wrote:And I was also literally the only person to sus Distance there. If I'm scum looking for the path of least resistance why do I pick someone whom nobody else scumreads and who was on the scum wagon?
What would I have instead of watcher? 2 shot AD? Why wouldn't I just claim that? If I wanted to call Gamma guilty I could just say he drafted hitman directly, that would be so much simpler and there's no reason to lie if I don't have to.
Or do you think I just have nothing and spent no money for the first 3 days?
How could town!you possibly know if Gamma drafted hitman and since no hitman was apparently needed to kill Mastina, how is this even relevant?
@mod, what were the final bids on both 2 shot AD, 2 shot hitman and watcher?
450, 301, 500, respectively iirc
Kyouku can you tell me your bidding history again? I know you have one shot hitman, how much did that cost you?
Marci, you too please. How much did you spend on gravedigger.
Like the same person can only have one of these. Was Gamma’s 499 a midday or final bid and
@mod, why was the final bid on cop redacted?
I bought 1-shot Hitman for 426 on D1. I bid 52 & 22 on GD and 1-shot AD on D2, I don't remember which amount I put on which role, but it's irrelevant because I won neither role. D3 I didn't try to buy anything - I think all of the roles were already over 74 at mid-day. D4 I didn't try to buy anything. I might have tried to buy one of the neighborizers if I had remembered to bid before deadline, but I forgot to.
Reasoning for spending 426 on Hitman is I thought the player that spent 125 on all 4 roles at midday on D1 was scum posing as town, and if that was the case, they would only have 300 left to add to one of their bids. 300+125 = 425, so I bid 426 so I could outbid them, and then claimed my bid, because I knew that exposing I had spent a lot on a useless role would make me less likely to get NKed, and I wanted to live to be MO until I could figure out who was town better, and name a replacement I was confident in being town.
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:16 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
can we all VOTE: short night phase now because I think as of deadline we were on no elim?
dont wanna out how much yet and it probably doesnt matter anyway
Is this because I did a post link to 435 for mastina's cop bid claim? I have bad handwriting and mixed it up with Misty's post number when checking my notes if that's the case - Mastina did it on 487
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:19 am
by Smoke and Mirrors
In post 1878, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:can we all VOTE: short night phase now because I think as of deadline we were on no elim?
I am in so many games, I’ ve barely had time to eat.
oh and cop bid was redacted because scum have a factional ability that lets them redact the mid-day OR the final bid amount of 1 item, ONCE per day. So they used it to hide Cop so we wouldn't know it sold for less than 500 is my guess, because they would have wanted us to think Kitty bought it
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:23 am
by marcistar
huh so whats something_smarts other power then im confused
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:24 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
If they swapped, Gamma bought Watcher (500) and tried to buy JK (300) = total 800. S_S bought Godfather (499) and Hitman (301) = total 800
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:27 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
If they didn't swap and Gamma actually won hitman, then S&M is the partner that is meant to endgame. but I just don't buy that anymore after interacting with S_S and with S&M toDay in mlimlo. S&M is trying to solve I think, and S_S seems more like trying to deflect off themself rather than solve
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:28 am
by marcistar
In post 1886, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If they swapped, Gamma bought Watcher (500) and tried to buy JK (300) = total 800. S_S bought Godfather (499) and Hitman (301) = total 800
huh..? so then why didnt gamma try to take tracker on the last day then?
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:29 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
I also think Gamma would try to do something sneaky with the numbers to distract/deceive me once he realized how obsessive I was over them, and he may have even remembered I am a very numbers-oriented person from previous meta years ago.
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:29 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1887, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:S_S seems more like trying to deflect off themself rather than solve
When you leave for V/LA as a universal townread and come back and this shitfest happens, tell me you wouldn't also be trying to deflect off yourself.
In post 1886, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If they swapped, Gamma bought Watcher (500) and tried to buy JK (300) = total 800. S_S bought Godfather (499) and Hitman (301) = total 800
huh..? so then why didnt gamma try to take tracker on the last day then?
If he bought Tracker it would mean he couldn't have bought Hitman, and he wanted us to think he bought Hitman, which is why it was not redacted
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:36 am
by Gypyx
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:37 am
by Gypyx
fast night may take effect if everyone agrees on it, ssbm_Kyouko is considered as having accpted fast night
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:45 am
by Gypyx
Night 6 has ended...
Smoke and Mirrors have died ! they were a
Vanilla Townie
Day 7 starts now
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:46 am
by Gypyx
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:00 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
VOTE: S_S
quick end
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:02 am
by Something_Smart
VOTE: ssbm
I probably won't make a case, but I can definitely address any questions you have.
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:25 am
by marcistar
yall wtf
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:12 pm
by ssbm_Kyouko
Same, already made my case. If you want, I will quote it for you so you don't have to read through everything I posted about scum!S&M. I can answer any questions you have as well.
I do have one thing new to add though and that's that if I were scum I dont kill last night as S&M was voting S_S. I've been saying it for the last few Days as well but scum have coasted around 2 TvTs all game and that was mastina vs VFP and me vs. S&M. S_S hardly contributed and had some questionable usage of Watcher.
Misty also was obviously disappointed to have rolled scum and lost all motivation when Gamma bussed Kitty. VFP pointed out that Misty coming in saying "idk what the vote count is but let's do VFP today" at end of D1 was sus too. Also Misty directly addressed Gamma on replace-in asking how much he'd read to engage him in the thread and Alisae was under pressure on replace-out. So misty's engaging with Gamma is taking pressure off a buddy
