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@FA
Why am I scum with mastina?
-Rubella

In post 1876, MMR wrote:@FA
Why am I scum with mastina?
-Rubella

well I scum read you for other reasons

"with mastina" part is not what I'm comfortable saying

but that post gave extremely distancing vibes. math unvotes "you agree but you want her to meta case me but you have doubts but you cant read her well but you still scumread her" just doesn't feel genuine to me. its more like you want to have options based on how things go there

In post 1877, Frozen Angel wrote:

In post 1876, MMR wrote:@FA
Why am I scum with mastina?
-Rubella

well I scum read you for other reasons

"with mastina" part is not what I'm comfortable saying

but that post gave extremely distancing vibes. math unvotes "you agree but you want her to meta case me but you have doubts but you cant read her well but you still scumread her" just doesn't feel genuine to me. its more like you want to have options based on how things go there

I said that I'm leaning towards town!mastina, which is intended to be interpreted as nulltown.
I genuinely can't read mastina well.
I've literally TRed scum!mastina and SRed town!mastina before.
So you're half-right that I'm adapting. As I read more, my reads change.
-Rubella

In post 1858, mastina wrote:

In post 1850, MathBlade wrote:Please take the weekend of quiet and town tell if you’re town.

Okay, MathBlade's town.

Ambivalence gone.

I realize that,

technically speaking

, by talking about my read on MathBlade I basically handed a scuMathBlade a guide into faking exactly this as town and adjusting his scumplay from being something only working temporary into something working longterm.
Technically speaking, that's theoretically possible.

But like.

To be honest: I don't think a scum MathBlade actually does.

In post 1860, MathBlade wrote:Please I hope no one gets mad at me but I don’t think Mastina is lock scum anymore

I don’t know if it’s sleepy me or angry me from shitty work or what.

To be clear I am resetting on her. This isn’t a she’s not scum. This isn’t a she’s not town. It’s something pinged me and I want to reset.

These are both correct

DDS, what is your opinion of prof's 1742?
-Rubella

I have taken , , , out of the PoE for various reasons. But they all generally boil down to the fact that I have varying degrees of townreads on all of them. Aisa doesn't share my townread of , but upon the re-reading of 's ISO, I decided that I am confident enough to leave her be.

I actually supported the vote. I feel like 1727 is 100% fakeable. It's also a really conveniently fakeable post for a scum to make. It does not antagonise anyone. It provides content without providing content, as the content is very generic and referring to general concepts. I don't think they have contributed much to the game in general either. Another thing I don't like about this slot is 1716. Generating activity in games is a game mod job. From the perspective of town, the volume of posts matters less than the quality of them and the general ability to town sort people from those posts. So yeah, just generating content makes more sense from a scum point of view rather than a town point of view.

~Greeting

In post 1870, Frozen Angel wrote:scum have to just vote another slot that is not their team, and make a compelling case against them. easier for a case to be compelling when its true right?

Easier but not necessary

first you cant get from the "there are no counter wagons" to "she is voted by both scum teams" .

This is kind of the less interesting and important point and I don't want to discuss it further it's a distraction.

your second conclusion is way worse. you saying mastina is town cause both scum teams are voting her makes no sense.

Misrepresentation of what I'm arguing: I am saying both scum teams want mastina dead and thats why she's town, not that they are both specifically voting mastina (though I do also believe that, it's irrelevant to this point)

Mastina is town because both scum teams were perfectly happy to let her die without an attempted counterwagon. There was a period where there was no sense of cohesion behind any vote that wasn't mastina. Both teams were fine with mastina dying. Which means town shouldn't be fine with that.

In post 1880, MMR wrote:DDS, what is your opinion of prof's 1742?
-Rubella

In post 1742, professotic wrote:So
Mastina/Bunny/PPF

And

Dingle/Radja/FA

Makes sense

I mean, he's wrong. I think Drapion is wrong on quite a few things.
I find Drapion to be a very untraditional player and thus very hard for me to read. He goes in and he goes in hard, and I think that's probably true regardless of alignment.

I think tictac is probably the more readable member for me and I find him to be very similar to how he was in NQM2 (where he was scum).

In post 1818, mastina wrote:That said, that does raise the question--why haven't you interacted much with a lot of people???

The Radical Rat I know does. Like, REALLY does. Like, really REALLY does. Like, does basically exclusively precisely that. Interacting with most, or even all, of the players in extensive detail.

So like--admitting that you haven't? Basically a scumclaim.

Well, for most of the game I hadn't been reading, which does put a bit of a damper on interactions. And that's just because I've been busy/low-energy, which happens sometimes regardless of alignment, especially in Larges.

That aside, I don't actually think this is true? I will generally interact when a post catches my interest, or when I am engaged with first. Sometimes that's a lot of people, sometimes it's not. I also have a known tunneling problem, and tend to let lurkers lurk longer than I should. And that all happens regardless of alignment.

All of that combined with me having a very limited time to read/post with a few hours in between each when there's another batch of pages that cropped up in the meantime... Yeah, I'm not interacting with people as much. If anything I might feel more obligated to at least pretend to as scum...

In post 1882, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:

In post 1870, Frozen Angel wrote:scum have to just vote another slot that is not their team, and make a compelling case against them. easier for a case to be compelling when its true right?

Easier but not necessary

first you cant get from the "there are no counter wagons" to "she is voted by both scum teams" .

This is kind of the less interesting and important point and I don't want to discuss it further it's a distraction.

your second conclusion is way worse. you saying mastina is town cause both scum teams are voting her makes no sense.

Misrepresentation of what I'm arguing: I am saying both scum teams want mastina dead and thats why she's town, not that they are both specifically voting mastina (though I do also believe that, it's irrelevant to this point)

Mastina is town because both scum teams were perfectly happy to let her die without an attempted counterwagon. There was a period where there was no sense of cohesion behind any vote that wasn't mastina. Both teams were fine with mastina dying. Which means town shouldn't be fine with that.

You fail to consider that scums are not "forced" to create counter wagons to support their team mates. Its something they can do or they can just so hopefully their team mate to rescue themself

we don't even know how many team mates a scum!mastina would have possibly. it can be zero (the game is bastard and multiball with mod hinting at possibility of recruits existing) it can be 2 so they would have enough force to push a counterwagon or it can be 1, a solo team mate who thinks distancing from a falling member might be best?

The whole thing is just wifom. without clear information about whats mastinas alignment or more information about the people who voted or refused to vote you cant do proper/clean wagon analysis

In post 1878, MMR wrote:

In post 1877, Frozen Angel wrote:

In post 1876, MMR wrote:@FA
Why am I scum with mastina?
-Rubella

well I scum read you for other reasons

"with mastina" part is not what I'm comfortable saying

but that post gave extremely distancing vibes. math unvotes "you agree but you want her to meta case me but you have doubts but you cant read her well but you still scumread her" just doesn't feel genuine to me. its more like you want to have options based on how things go there

I said that I'm leaning towards town!mastina, which is intended to be interpreted as nulltown.
I genuinely can't read mastina well.
I've literally TRed scum!mastina and SRed town!mastina before.
So you're half-right that I'm adapting. As I read more, my reads change.
-Rubella

I just got interpretations that you're maintaining such a wishy washy stance over this and each wind is blowing you to a different direction on it.

whats your main scum read right now?

Bunny has now overtaken MMR in person I want to vote the most. More news at 11

Alright I am mostly caught up now.

Mastina's posting has improved exponentially, to the point where if the rest of the game hadn't happened, I'd probably be townreading her now. But the rest of the game did happen, and I already explained how the whole thing with MathBlade's role crumbs appears to be from a scum mindset (which isn't bullshit meta, just saying), and I still just can't reconcile that. Let alone whatever Yume's deal is.

FA is absolutely correct about all the multiball theory stuff, and it has felt a lot like people are forgetting this game is multiball, in particular with how that means meta tells don't mean shit when you're ideally just playing a towngame even as scum.

I will start looking at compromise wagons, there's not enough time left in the day to be stubborn about that, but I would still strongly urge those leaving mastina to come back.

I'll try to do a proper readslist after work, for my own benefit if no one else's, since right now my reads are pretty much all tangled around mastina in my head

In post 1887, Maid Cafe wrote:Bunny has now overtaken MMR in person I want to vote the most. More news at 11

I don't agree with these reads, and Maid Cafe is sus for this.

In post 1888, Radical Rat wrote:FA is absolutely correct about all the multiball theory stuff, and it has felt a lot like people are forgetting this game is multiball, in particular with how that means meta tells don't mean shit when you're ideally just playing a towngame even as scum.

I'm not sure who this is directed toward, but if it's me, I'm definitely taking multiball into consideration with my reads

I don't care about multiball, let's kill atleast someone

In post 1889, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 1887, Maid Cafe wrote:Bunny has now overtaken MMR in person I want to vote the most. More news at 11

I don't agree with these reads, and Maid Cafe is sus for this.

Then vote us-oh wait.

Also having disagreeing reads isn't sus but go on.

*waves*

In post 1761, Bunnyonce wrote:

In post 1755, professotic wrote:Bunny does this sum up your readslist?
Mastina - PPF (Lock Towns)

I'd like to know why you thought this was a worthwhile post.

In post 1756, professotic wrote:Wolves hard defending each other.

Assuming this is directed at us, how exactly does your theory fit into my latest unvote?

-Aisa

, do you not find it worthwhile to engage with our slot at all?

In post 1773, professotic wrote:The one CW I would not oppose to is a Bunny CW.
I think they are aligned with Mastina and this last post from them feels like something where I feel is more likely to come from a wolf then town.
“Oh you know pings”

Cause man trust me when I’m a wolf I’ll do stuff like “I’m conflicted”
“If I had to guess probably them” or make like random solves or theories.

That post gives me a wolf making fake reads feel.

If you think we are scum with mastina then what's the point of making a counterwagon to mastina by voting us?

In post 1779, Past Present Future wrote:[...]
What about Greeting? Does he have anyone he’s suss on?

Think I'm gonna talk about this in my next post.

In post 1780, professotic wrote:Actually my comment about the Math/Mastina read thing might not completely hold.
Since Greeting’s was the one who said they TR Mastina higher and not Aisa.

However, even so I think they should have had a similar read in that regard or have talked about it?

We've talked about it a bit both before and after the post. As others have pointed out, we both TR Math and mastina to some degree, both now and before you made that post.

-Aisa

Greeting and I had a longer catch up and we both agree that we want to vote here.
VOTE: professotic

We're obviously biased by knowing our own alignment, but we don't like Prof's push on us. As far as I can tell, it almost entirely comes down to us being scum with mastina. professotic make the following points:


I asked furtive to explain with mastina is Town, which makes my slot partners with mastina.


We pushed RR to defend mastina.


Greeting says he doesn't support voting out mastina, prof takes this as more evidence that we are trying to save a teammate.


I made a hedgy post which feels like I'm making up reads.


1. Your read on us seems conditional on mastina being scum, but you seem really sure of our alignment. What makes you so confident?
2. What makes any of your points more likely to come from scum defending their partner rather than town?
3. What do you think of mastina's treatment of our slot?

In post 1893, Bunnyonce wrote:

In post 1773, professotic wrote:The one CW I would not oppose to is a Bunny CW.
I think they are aligned with Mastina and this last post from them feels like something where I feel is more likely to come from a wolf then town.
“Oh you know pings”

Cause man trust me when I’m a wolf I’ll do stuff like “I’m conflicted”
“If I had to guess probably them” or make like random solves or theories.

That post gives me a wolf making fake reads feel.

If you think we are scum with mastina then what's the point of making a counterwagon to mastina by voting us?

Also, sorry, I noticed you explained this when you placed your vote.

In post 1886, Frozen Angel wrote:whats your main scum read right now?

I thought that you could tell from my vote.
It's prof. I explained it in 1791, 1794, 1811, 1813 and 1843.
-Rubella

VOTE: professotic

I'm wiling to try it. I haven't liked their weird confidence, plus someone else said they were mafia based on the meta of which heads were posting.

Someone(MMR?) said earlier that we don't know if there are two scumteams or if it is just flavor. Judging by the rules post, which says that the scumteams (plural) win condition requires the other team to be dead and that mod given information is true I'm thinking there are 2 teams.