The game of the year: town won!

[callforjudgement]

UNVOTE:

Normally when scum act like SpyreX has been acting, their subsequent play

doesn't

adequately explain all their play up to that point.

I still don't agree with SpyreX, but I can see the motivation behind his actions now.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• kondi2424 (5)
  : Zdenek Nobody Special Zajnet kondi2424 redFF
  
• Chevre (3)
  : TheTrollie PeregrineV UberNinja
  
• Amrun (2)
  : BBmolla SpyreX
  
• LowMan (2)
  : Amrun LowMan
  
• PeregrineV (2)
  : Hoopla zoraster
  
• SpyreX (2)
  : MattP Trevor
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• Nobody Special (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• YYR (1)
  : Staeg
  
• Not voting:
  callforjudgement Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu manho Mastermind of Sin Milk petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc TeChNoWC YYR

With 38 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[SpyreX]

cali can you help me out with my question so I can finish this up

[callforjudgement]

cali can you help me out with my question so I can finish this up

You'd probably better ask the mod, for reasons I don't really want to go into.

[SpyreX]

The hell?

I dont want SECRET information I just figured you, lord of the helpers, would be able to give me a quick list of replacements / slot changes.

But sure

@Mod: Help me

[mykonian]

halfway the game muffin wednesday went to play as kondi. Further I intend to have no replacements in this game, for the simple reason that a game of this size can cope with V/LA's

[MattP]

If you lynch me, will you guys do me the favor of at least trying to get a group and forge through some of these lynches that need to happen?

Lawl you just are trying to appear to be a martyr with this

[UberNinja]

the votes on kondi are stupid

move them to chevre

[MattP]

the votes on kondi are stupid

move them to chevre

Nope, SpyreX thx

[UberNinja]

a) spyrex has promised content
b) spyrex is much better of a player than chevre
c) if spyrex doesn't come through, we lynch him
d) DID YOU SEE how chevre freaked out w/2 votes
e) i like you and all, don't make me get out my sword

[MattP]

a) spyrex has promised content
b) spyrex is much better of a player than chevre
c) if spyrex doesn't come through, we lynch him
d) DID YOU SEE how chevre freaked out w/2 votes
e) i like you and all, don't make me get out my sword

a) that doesnt mean the content he's given isn't scummy
b) that means he is a bigger threat
c) nope, he knows he's gonna be gone soon, everything he gives now is going to be WIFOM galore
d) yea, spyrex goes first
e) bite me
f) I very much see spyrex being so pro-tbone-town because he knew tbone was town because he was scum.

[callforjudgement]

VOTE: chevre

Just read the ISO, and ouch.

[callforjudgement]

(In short; his recent play hasn't been great, and checking the ISO showed me a whole lot of posts I didn't remember he made that are even worse. And it looks sort-of like he was trying to excuse them by pretending they didn't exist and hoping nobody would check; I honestly thought his first post here was just a few days ago.)

[redFF]

uberninja is obv scum, as is kondi.

callforjudgement is also very obv scum for hiding behind the votecounts to provide no content, and look how much un is arguing against the kondi wagon with no actual reasoning.

LYNCH KONDI FOR SCUM LYNCH.

[callforjudgement]

uberninja is obv scum, as is kondi.

callforjudgement is also very obv scum for hiding behind the votecounts to provide no content, and look how much un is arguing against the kondi wagon with no actual reasoning.

LYNCH KONDI FOR SCUM LYNCH.

How much of this post is and isn't sarcastic?

If it's all meant to be serious, I advise a reread, and ISOs of the players in question.

[UberNinja]

It's not sarcastic, he's just a moron.

[redFF]

ok scum, looks like your buddy is probably getting lynched today so keep laughing I guess?

[MattP]

callforjudgement is also very obv scum for hiding behind the votecounts to provide no content

He's not "hiding behind the votecounts," he agreed to doing the votecounts before the thread even began so it's obvious that the votecounts are a complete null. Him posting the votecounts has nothing to do with the game...

[redFF]

He has 80 posts, at least 30 of which are votecounts. The rest are shitty non-contributory 1 liners. Plus UN's last post suggests a familiarity with him beyond a town player with another player who could/could not be town. That and they're both fat too cocky for a game without a single scum lynch.

[UberNinja]

yes, me and callforjudgement are scum together, and you figured everything out, redFF.

please do me a favor and shut up and let the grown ups talk for a while

[TeChNoWC]

why is there so many people self-voting. it is almost always against your win con. you shouldn't be able to gain town-cred by self-voting.

but the sad truth is that scums are much less likely to self-vote than town, so i think both kondi and lowman is town.

What do you think about SpyreX's continual acceptance and desire for his lynch? Same category?

It can definitely be scum WIFOM, but Spyrex does, to some degree, seem genuinely uncaring about his lynch, and not very defensive about it. He just seems hungry for blood. Not sure how to read it.

What do you think about Chevre?

Hoopla, same question.

He seems town to me.

Could be wrong, but I don't see any scummy reasoning behind his posts.

I understand the case on him about his big post on Luffy, it seemed unnecessary to post so excessively one's reasoning when there was already a large bandwagon and reasons for him being scum, and scum often do that to avoid suspicion, but two things spring to mind:
1. Most of the reasons given for Luffy's scuminess were from me (and one given by Spyrex) from memory. He may have felt the need to solidify the case.
2. Chevre always posts walls from what I can see, so it was nothing out of the ordinary for his behaviour.

My gut says Chevre is town.

[TheTrollie]

the reasons were "from me from memory" what do you mean?

[TeChNoWC]

From memory, I couldn't remember any other reasons given, but with the splurge of posts I could be wrong. So me, Spyrex and Chevre were the only ones who gave reasons that weren't just splurges of what other people said.

[TeChNoWC]

Used splurge twice. Amazing sentence structure, tech -_-

[Chevre]

@Chevre- Then, think about getting a scum role in a 50 player game. How much do you post to get by?

If you signed up for the game

and got a VT role

and really didn't want to play anyway

, how much do you post?
I think we should lynch from those areas.

MoS may be a good candidate, but what do you think of any of the current wagons?

The deal-making is not real, and it's between all of 3 people, and they are still accountable for any votes they make.

It's hard to ask questions about 50-player games when this is the first one. We have no idea how mafia are playing because one hasn't died yet.
As for the second part...well the bolded part is problem isn't it? People signed up who didn't want to play? Of course they are going to post very little, if any at all; people who don't want to play should be replaced.

AAAAND

Chevre comes out of hiding to post RIGHT AFTER there are two votes on him

WOOSH

Vote: Chevre

@ Spyrex: Come with me if you want to live

A) how was I hiding?
B) Can I not defend myself against votes I don't feel I deserve?

yep...and now my vote on chevre feels very good. note the descriptive nature of that last post which is unlikely to help us find scum. Total defense mode after a second vote is dropped on him.

So...being descriptive is bad? Sounds more like it's more words than you wanted to read. I feel that I addressed the points I wanted to address in a good way, and I'm not sure how this could be scummy. As I said above with UberNinja, am I not allowed to defend myself? Plus, I promised content today which I am about to provide.

halfway the game muffin wednesday went to play as kondi. Further

I intend to have no replacements in this game, for the simple reason that a game of this size can cope with V/LA's

...
Excuse me for disagreeing with the moderator, but I think the bolded part is ludicrous. People aren't saying, "Oh, I won't have access for a week! V/LA!" It's "Oh, prod dodge, not reading lol." I hope the balance of this game is skewed towards town, because if inactive people cannot be replaced in any way at all we have an uphill battle.

(In short; his recent play hasn't been great, and checking the ISO showed me a whole lot of posts I didn't remember he made that are even worse. And it looks sort-of like he was trying to excuse them by pretending they didn't exist and hoping nobody would check; I honestly thought his first post here was just a few days ago.)

I agree that I probably did not deal with my case on Luffy in the correct way, but otherwise I see no problems with my recent play. Additionally, I think its sketchy to vote me simply because you do not remember my posts, especially when this game has had fifty players. In what ways am I trying to hide my pasts posts? I don't know why I would hide them when all of the reasons I have been voted have come recently.

I've decided to look at one of the most reliable voices we have: the vanilla townies who have been lynched. More specifically, their suspicions, because we know they are coming from a vanilla-townie perspective.

THE MINI-LIBRARIAN:
He provided no suspicions on anyone, except for when he thought IceGuy was a Mime, but that suspicion is moot.

MONEYBAGS:
In 183, he sheeps BBmolla and votes Milk. Not saying it's a good thing to sheep, but he saw merit in voting Milk.
In 218, he shows intentions of voting UberNinja at some point.
In 220, he urges people to vote Milk.
In 740, he states that his sheeping of BBMolla was just joking, but given 220 I think he was still happy with a Milk lynch. Additionally, he asks people to lynch redFF.
In 759, he notes that Hoopla looks like she is scum in this game, assuming based on interactions between the two in other games.
In 763, he further insinuates Hoopla is scum.

CAPTAIN CORPORAL:
Nothing of note, really. He first votes chesskid3, but this is one of the first votes in the game and is baseless. He switches to T-Bone, but we know T-Bone's alignment now.

T-BONE:
In 139, he votes The Mini-Librarian and is suspicious of izakthegoomba. Both are dead, so these are of little use.
In 443, T-Bone has his first list. In this one, the "die by lynch" group is UberNinja, izak, and petapan. Additionally, he says IceGuy needs to die by other means.
In 454, T-Bone quotes hs "die by lynch" group.
In 460, T-Bone reasons izak is scummy because of his approval of policy lynches. He also reasons that UberNinja is scummy because he is not scumhunting, and lists some examples. Finally, he reasons that petapan is scummy because his response to a vote on him was "don't post."
In 482, T-Bone tells MattP that he is a player who is not scumhunting. He also calls for a izakthegoomba lynch, followed by lynches of UberNinja and petapan.
In 518, he once again calls for a lynch of UberNinja, petapan, and izak.
In 541, he updates his lists. MattP is added to the "lynch" list (which formerly consisted of UN, peta, and izak). IceGuy is still in the vig pool for mimes, but another vig pool for so-called "useless" players has been formed. This list includes MattP, petapan, theamatuer, Moneybags, and SleepyKrew.
In 579, he takes izak off the lynch list since Kairyuu saved him, and says there are more immediate issues than UberNinja. He also appears to rationalize putting MattP and theamatuer in the uselessness list: theamatuer for spamming and MattP for spamming and blindly defending petapan.
In 661, he approves the Moneybags lynch, but given this post and 664 it appears to be more like advocacy for lurker lynches.
In 669, he points out players which have only made 1 posts (to review, that would have been Captain Corporal, Robotnick2, funkybike1, Ellibereth, and sykedoc). He also notes dramonic's two posts. After that, he notes players which he says are spamming or offering nothing: SleepyKrew, Moneybags, and MattP. He finishes with a vote on Moneybags.
In 678, he declares that Moneybags and Uberninja are posting little content and once again states that MattP is spamming.
In 723, he once again advocates a UberNinja lynch.
In 784, he votes UberNinja, but states that he would rather lynch Matt or peta.
In 788, he quotes UN's admitting to trolling and insinuates that this is scummy.
In 792, which is in reference to BBmolla's 790, he notes that he is voting UberNinja not because of policy but instead because he believes UN is scummy.
In 861, he once again advocates a UN lynch.
In 1175 and 1176, he switches his vote to Luffy, because he is not scumhunting and bandwagon-hopping.
In 1180, after an ISO of TheTrollie, he says that there is nothing redeeming about him and states that he is probably one of the scum on his wagon.
In 1183, he presents a full case on UN.
In 1234, he adds a new suspect; he thinks that Amrun should be lynched at some point.

LUFFY:
In 263, he finds TML's 165 scummy.
In 270, he votes TML.
In 363, he questions Johhog's 347.
In 370, he votes for UN and advocates their lynch.
In 571, he jumps on the T-Bone bandwagon, but still wants UberNinja lynched.
In 771, he wants Techno's thoughts on Milk, a player he has not yet mentioned.
In 787, he is still interested in interesting UberNinja...
In 805, he votes UberNinja.
In 940, he analyzes the Moneybags lynchwagon, and finds the votes of Techno, T-Bone, BBmolla, and Fritzler to be most suspect.
In 1022, he contemplates joining the CC wagon, but prefers a UN or T-bone lynch.
In 1025, he points out T-bones "opportunistic votes."
In 1045, he calls out Staeg for sheeping.
In 1070, he agrees with Chronopie's analysis of Elmo's ISO.
In 1444, he produces the results of his ISOs of random people. Fritz, Trollie, Zdenek, Milk, and Chronopie are all suspicious to him.
In 1553, he votes YYR, but he states he could be convinced to vote for SpyreX or PeregrineV.
In 1616, he states that 2/3 (I don't know if that's 2 out of 3 or "2 or 3") of YYR, SpyreX, and LowMan should be lynched, whereas Trevor, Trollie, and PergrineV should be dayvigged.
In 1617, he switches his vote to LowMan.

I understand that a heck of a lot of this is parroting, and that's the point; I just wanted to have a definite list out there for reference. I'm not saying I agree with them 100%, either. In fact, while 3 out of 4 of them would lynch UberNinja, I would not vote UN at this point because of something he said today. If you read him I'm sure you'll see it too.

However, 2 out of 4 suspected Milk (Moneybags, Luffy) and TheTrollie (T-Bone, Luffy) at one point, so they are good places to start.