In post 1895, Garruk Relentless wrote:Elle is still on our suspect lists, but, truthfully, Elle jumped into that whole Thor/Benmage/whatever mess and I lost track(if you missed the implications yesterday that we weren't really reading their posts, at the very least I wasn't). We did briefly talk about her in our discussion, but it was just a little blip(we actually went down the whole player list, but didn't have much to say for most) and I figured our stance was already established.
In a word, you can call our read on her decayed. I still find the wight slip suspect, but have decided to shelve it until further evidence exists. On a tangential note, I do like Elle's entrance today.
As a side-note, were going to be a bit more active today hopefully.
The whole Thor/Benmage/macmollie thing yesterday got me in a slump and both heads here agreed to lurk it out
. At this exact moment, I'm doing what I do best--parsing flavor and setup info. I skipped the miller conversation yesterday because I thought Thor was town and I attribute Faraday enough skill to try to WIFOM his setups, but now I have actual puzzle pieces to work with(and will have one more important one after the lynch).
A curious note: you phrased that post oddly, ooba...hmm...I need to relook at this game with a blank slate.
wat thor/benmage/macmollie thing? there as a thor /benmage thing but thor and I were practically writing lovenotes to each other compared to our normal squabbles and benmage and I had very little to no interaction at all. so could you plz clarify tia
also noting that you were not reading your top scumspect's posts yesterday and that is just so ewww
not surprised you don't have any reads since all you have really been doing is whining about our playstyle and saying...you don't have any reads. <----
tammy sd was not the only 1 not playing the game on d1 there were a few
@ desp
since the game has been open less than 24 hrs it should be pretty obvious that was using "skate" in the past tense but rather in the present and future tense. I don't want him to do a fade coasting on the info he provided.
@ naut
where were you yesterday in the last hours of the day round. why are you voting amrun? why are you not trusting messiah? can we plz discuss some of our reads and see where we are at?
kanye you wanna vote garruck I just know that you do I read your tea leaves and that is what it said
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:17 am
by PrideandJoy
Unvote
Vote: messiah
lets go big guy
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:30 am
by Eddard Stark
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:09 am
by Amrun
So, garruk, let me get this straight. You're voting me for "lurking," when it's CLEARLY not alignment indicative, while you yourself have zero reads and have consciously decided to "lurk it out?" You're relying on figuring out the setup and yet have too much respect for the mods to wifom the setup, and took a back seat in the largely setup-grounded argument about Thor yesterday?
No. No. Kill this. This is called scum non-committal disease.
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:24 am
by Tierce
Oh, please. What a remarkable effort you're going to to misunderstand what they actually said. Nice one about their reads, too!
macmollie, you're voting Town. Scum Garruk had no reason to push a pissed-off Tammy off me when they did.
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:11 am
by pirate mollie
tierce I just iso-ed them and I didn't see where they did that?
Every vote has a reason. Every switch in reads is also reasoned. Nothing is done "on a whim". ever.
I am glad that finally I see a game where Amrun is town (and won with town). she's been scum wherever I see her recently.
And unfortunately she is also scum this game.
( yeah, syry and I wrecked shit that game ) but, I was just referencing that for the lurking argument. Il have to look back at the last times I saw her as scum to see if she does that vote thing as scum. I was pretty convinced she was scum the first day of that game and she wasn't, so I'm not really confident in my ability to read her.
Bad, bad vibes. Most of his posts just look to me as though they're either trying to cast suspicion on or away from someone else.
His 1022, for example. Where it just feels as though he's pointing out things that look scummy to him without actually taking a stance on them while parking his vote from 300 posts before.
And his votes. Most of them are either blank or not really explained.
28 - Benmage - 'Obviously' (and only here to outline his original RVS)
62 - Kanye - 'Well this is actually easy.'
396 - Thor - 'Miller claim looks bogus.'
778 - Goat - 'Mainly because their interaction with Benmage which seemed like the were just trying to be antagonistic.'
1579 - Thor - Blank
1817 - Amrun - Blank
The recent 1848 gives me a
vibe
of some kind of fishing. It's a simple question though and may just be a case of 'looking to much into it' due to phrasing but that's what it felt like when I read it.
@Zdenek - What are your reads on ooba and Cephrir?
Also, do you think Amrun is scum due to her low activity despite her explanation?
Well, if you are going to hold my RVS votes against me there's really not much I can say. As for the others, Goat's attack on Banmage was lame and they admitted as much, Thor was a scum read from the get go, Benmage made some good points about him, and he was a lynch that I was fine with at the end of the day. I'd already explained my Amrun vote, and I feel no need to repeat myself.
What do you think of the other Amrun votes?
I don't have a strong read on either Cephir or Ooba, but I don't want to lynch either of them today.
Amrun's giving us real-life excuses is between null and scummy, and I am still fine with lynching her.
...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:09 am
by Cephrir
I wanted to look back at who was lynching Thor almost entirely for being a Miller. Turns out that was just Benmage and SafetyDance. It occurs to me that I let someone talk me out of suspecting Benmage yesterday because of like one game of meta. That actually really isn't sufficient and I don't know why I let that sway me. Policy lynching millers on sight is preposterous, it doesn't even matter that much. There are a million and a half other possible cop targets. The whole refusal to be even slightly remorseful today thing rubs me the wrong way, though on the other hand it always does and I'm often wrong on that point. Still, he should still be in my lynchpool and I don't know why I let him escape it.
I need you to answer one question for me, who are you?
You know, I'd be madder about Thor's wagon because of the miller thing etc, except uhm. Did no one notice that he kind of.. lied about who he was? I'm not a Game of Thrones scolar but that didn't look like the King of the Seals did it? It was still a terrible wagon for other reasons but I don't think over the top posts about how dare a liar get lynched are going to find teh scums.
Amrun are you going to vote all the people voting you because you suck, because that's what your vote looks like and there's a long list if you want to catch them all.
Why did you vote Alfred and
then
ask him a seemingly innocuous question that likely isn't (as evidenced by the vote)?
The middle paragraph...putting aside the misunderstanding, what was your point here? Particularly the last sentence.
And the last paragraph is classic mudsling.
"Vote: Alfred, what's up with X?" is not okay, but "What's up with X? Vote: Alfred" is okay?
Trying to move things along isn't pointless, nor is continuing to not detect the whole sarcasm bit.
For a post that complains about mudslinging, that sure is exactly what you're doing.
In post 1881, macmollie wrote:I am not as comfy as the rest of you people are with goat people's claim. it could very easily be a fake claim and by all means I don't think he should be allowed to skate. their start of the day post "oh I need to fleeeeeeps" kind of sounded like a bit like reverse cheerleading but not quite. hhhmmm....
who was it that said that displaced did not look scummy was it alfred
sd, syrlacious was kidnapped/silenced/abducted by aliens or something I am leaning probably town
VOTE: garruck
I don't think Goat's information is alignment relevant. Who appears to be letting them skate by on their "claim?"
@ Nautilius: I would expect a scum JOAT to at least pretend to want to hold on to the fruit for a chance to confirm himself as town later in the game. Sending it N1 is like a giant middle finger with an "I'M TOWN, ASSHOLE" banner attached.
- Des
Rather than using it to "confirm himself as town" (which it does not do in any way) early in the game? I don't even understand what could possibly make you think the fruit is alignment indicative at all, never mind so strongly.
In post 1886, AGar wrote:Benmage, why are you not in here pontificating about how amazing you are right now owning that massive fuckup of a clear and obvious mislynch?
That lynch was a clear success. Get better.
This is what I was referring to above. You're allowed to be smarmy and even go for the "he deserved it" angle but this is really excessive.
In post 1895, Garruk Relentless wrote:Elle is still on our suspect lists, but, truthfully, Elle jumped into that whole Thor/Benmage/whatever mess and I lost track(if you missed the implications yesterday that we weren't really reading their posts, at the very least I wasn't). We did briefly talk about her in our discussion, but it was just a little blip(we actually went down the whole player list, but didn't have much to say for most) and I figured our stance was already established.
In a word, you can call our read on her decayed. I still find the wight slip suspect, but have decided to shelve it until further evidence exists. On a tangential note, I do like Elle's entrance today.
As a side-note, were going to be a bit more active today hopefully. The whole Thor/Benmage/macmollie thing yesterday got me in a slump and both heads here agreed to lurk it out. At this exact moment, I'm doing what I do best--parsing flavor and setup info. I skipped the miller conversation yesterday because I thought Thor was town and I attribute Faraday enough skill to try to WIFOM his setups, but now I have actual puzzle pieces to work with(and will have one more important one after the lynch).
A curious note: you phrased that post oddly, ooba...hmm...I need to relook at this game with a blank slate.
This entire post is garbage. You're still scumreading elle even though you haven't read, you know, 60% of her posts? Because that makes sense. Are you really going on about the wight bullshit still? It's not basically-RVS anymore. Last sentence here is awkward as hell, and this is coming from the king of awkward phrasing.
In post 1882, Garruk Relentless wrote:
And yes the flashwagon against us yesterday was largely unsubstantiated, but we've already addressed that yesterday.
Just because the reasons don't come along with the vote doesn't mean they don't exist. Did you think we were voting you for fun?
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:16 am
by quadz08
had a really busy/shitty day
I may or may not get to this before tomorrow
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:18 am
by Cephrir
I am becoming increasingly paranoid about P&J. They just don't look like town Chesskid to me.
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:38 am
by AGar
I see there are posts that I need to respond to in this thread.
But I have job #3 tonight and tomorrow, plus babysitting plus car maintenance.
They told me at the start of day that they had a pretty good reason to think that Tierce was town.
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:13 pm
by Tammy
In post 1900, macmollie wrote:
wat thor/benmage/macmollie thing? there as a thor /benmage thing but thor and I were practically writing lovenotes to each other compared to our normal squabbles and benmage and I had very little to no interaction at all. so could you plz clarify tia
also noting that you were not reading your top scumspect's posts yesterday and that is just so ewww
not surprised you don't have any reads since all you have really been doing is whining about our playstyle and saying...you don't have any reads. <----
tammy sd was not the only 1 not playing the game on d1 there were a few
amrun is the only one that I can think of that was not playing the game, and that was a site wide issue and I don't remember any questions addressed to her that weren't answered. SD said he was catching up and didn't actually do anything, but seemed like he was actually caught up with the thread.
You're referring to Garruk here right (I've had some wine while unpacking so I migth be a little off). I've recently finished a game with one of the heads as scum and the head that I think's been posting a lot (Nat) doesn't feel as calculated as he did in that game. And besides, Tierce is right, if they were scum, they could have totally just let me go off on a tierce-full-tilt rampage and derail the beginning of day two and they didn't. they immediately tried to stop that, so unless you want to argue theyr're scum together, he's probs town.
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:19 pm
by Garruk Relentless
So, a fun fact about when i joined this game. I asked a certain player why they weren't /inning. They told me "Pirate Mollie and Amrun". Fate has a strange way of cursing oneself sometimes.
Anyways, I'm mostly ignoring Amrun's post--she hasn't had an independent thought all game(her entire post is a proxy of Mollie's) and is doing her usual "everyone who votes for me is wrong about everything while I blatantly misrepresent people the same way" crusade. i find it especially curious that she thinks were voting her when we are doing nothing of the short.
First, Cephrir, since of the three people who responded, he's the one I actually have some amount of respect for. While I am suspicious of elleheathen at the moment, I'm not scum reading her per say. As I said, the read has decayed.
Now, Mollie. First, by Thor/be mage/macmollie clusterfuck I mean all that discussion and boring posting. Second, to categorize elleheathen as our "strongest scum read" by the end of the day is ridiculous--i think we stated we were fully behind the Ooba wagon numerous times and I distinctly said that our read on Elle had decayed. Third, to say we have no reads is patently false. Both yesterday and today I have outlined what wagons we liked and disliked, and if you think trying to reread the thread with an open mind is somehow scummy, then you are truly a fool and I no longer wish to discourse with you.
On PnJ, I expect some amount of content from them today. I had a fairly strong town read on them mid-yesterday, but the complete falling off the map is worrisome, although understandable considering we did the same thing.
(If this post seems angry, its because it is--this is the edited version no less)
(And so were clear, with the exception of the one post SSKsigned, its been all me today)
) but, I was just referencing that for the lurking argument. Il have to look back at the last times I saw her as scum to see if she does that vote thing as scum. I was pretty convinced she was scum the first day of that game and she wasn't, so I'm not really confident in my ability to read her.
