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#434: Communiqu├® Mafia - Done. No -- seriously.
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1) I've begun to see more people on the site saying things that I used to think were very unlikely comments for scums to make. Even earlier in this game, some of Simenon's actions and words had him marked as almost-certainly-protown for quite some time in my book. But reviewing the thread and seeing evidence from the other side, I realized that a "this doesn't seem right for a scum to say" attitude is no longer accurate in today's average Mafia Game. It is just as much about what a playerEyceking wrote:I want to know these reasons.Glork wrote:I also ended up throwing out the protown tell I had from Eyce's "I'm testing your honesty" Communique to me for various reasons.
does
as it is what they say. And your voting/behavioral records were just terrible, with one fairly insignificant comment being the main barrier to your scummiliciousness.2) I had attributed my trust in that comment to a percieved newbiness on your part. As it turns out, you were only new to this site, not new to Mafia in general. I often find that people new to Mafia as a whole need some time and exposure before they can behve on an intermediate-level. When I found out that you were imported from another site, the "Eyce is too much of a newb to be this savvy" factor was suddenly invalid.
3) There was a chance that you honestly believed, even as scum, that there would be another scumbag out there. At the time, we had limited enough information that you could've been actually testing me. That possibiltiy would lend towards you making the comment even as the dirty scumbaggo that you are. I'm not sure why I never considered this, especially once talk of a Cult sprung up, but at some point I realized that no matter how sincere your communique to me was, I couldn't assume that it came from a
protown
Eyceking.Alright Eyceking. It is now over a week since Glork voted you and I became confirmed innocent. During that time you have posted:
So to give you some extra motivation, I'll set you a little 48 hour deadline to get something up that's worth reading. If you don't post something, I'll drop the hammer on you, simple as that. This isn't to say I will definitely end the game in 48 hours, but if you haven't posted by then, I definitely will.
Eyceking wrote:Didn't get a prod yet - don't give me one. Working on it. Honestly. *crosses heart, hopes to die*
In other words, you've posted nothing.Eyceking wrote:I want to know these reasons.
Still going.
So to give you some extra motivation, I'll set you a little 48 hour deadline to get something up that's worth reading. If you don't post something, I'll drop the hammer on you, simple as that. This isn't to say I will definitely end the game in 48 hours, but if you haven't posted by then, I definitely will.
Primpod 11:13 pm
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Well Patrick, you spoiled how I planned to open my grand post by asking why I hadn't voted for Glork. *sigh* Not quite so emphatic now, but,
OK, so I've been looking at finished games where Glork was scum (which in itself was a task... he seems to be Town so so often) to see his interactions with his teammates, and here's what I have.
In Mini393 he was partnered with SailorJerry and AndrewS. In his very first post of substance, he opens by accusing his scum partner (Jerry, in this instance). He harasses Jerry again, and makes comments that suggest he would be willing to lynch his partner. Some quotes:
I'm not sure if Glork can answer my points, but this is more an effort to convince Patrick that Glork's general play is consistent with his past scum play more than anything else. On the whole this game has just been freaking weird with the communiques and extra powers and all that jazz...
That's all I have
Vote: Glork
.OK, so I've been looking at finished games where Glork was scum (which in itself was a task... he seems to be Town so so often) to see his interactions with his teammates, and here's what I have.
In Mini393 he was partnered with SailorJerry and AndrewS. In his very first post of substance, he opens by accusing his scum partner (Jerry, in this instance). He harasses Jerry again, and makes comments that suggest he would be willing to lynch his partner. Some quotes:
Glork wrote:I don't like Jerry. I don't like the way he put a 4th vote on Timmy for Timmy's wagoning. It seems ill-placed; the first outstanding wagon-vote that actually bears some weight. I also see the "go ahead and lynch me!" comment as fairly scummy. I've seen scumbags "dare" another player to lynch them. I'm not sure why people seem to think this works, but it seems to happen more often than I would expect. Jerry replies by asking to look at the context... so I did. Evilandy was the only person voting Jerry. Yet Jerry says "go ahead and lynch me," as if he's bound to be lynched. Overreaction, much?
Glork wrote:Yes... that's very scummy. Like I said, you were "daring" (okay, "challenging") him to vote for or to lynch you.
Also, you never answered my question:
Glork wrote:That said, SJ, I'm curious to know... could you provide some detailed thoughts on the pressure against you? MeMe does make a valid point. The thread was pretty much dead for about ten days, and your failure to properly address the attacks against you seems to be contributing to that dead air.
So this shows that Glork is not afraid to put pressure on his scumpals if he thinks that they are playing with inconsistencies - and the same thing happened in this game when Stoofer was revealed to have a huge inconsistency in that he claimed he had sent his communique to a dead player. I think it is worth taking under consideration that just because Glork led the charge against Stoofer, it is no indication they are not partners. Glork hounded his partner to the point of a fake claim and then voted against him in this very game. I see many similarities in the two games with Glork's actions.Glork wrote:I'm willing to let Sailor Jerry hang.
I'm not sure if Glork can answer my points, but this is more an effort to convince Patrick that Glork's general play is consistent with his past scum play more than anything else. On the whole this game has just been freaking weird with the communiques and extra powers and all that jazz...
That's all I have
for now
. Something to chew on. I'm freaking wrecked tired. I'll pool all my Communique Mafia specific points soon. Good night.What are you pressing select for? You don't got time to make a profile!
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Hey Patrick, according to Eyce, I'm willing to bus my scumbuddies. Ever heard that around the forums before?
Seriously, though... I could argue that there are some subtle differences (but I don't think they'd really make much of a difference), but I want to know if you think my play prior to Stoof getting caught with a missing communique -- riding him all day, goading him into a cop claim, etc etc -- is consistent as well?
You stated that my play is consistent with busing
Hey Patrick, according to Eyce, I'm willing to bus my scumbuddies. Ever heard that around the forums before?
Seriously, though... I could argue that there are some subtle differences (but I don't think they'd really make much of a difference), but I want to know if you think my play prior to Stoof getting caught with a missing communique -- riding him all day, goading him into a cop claim, etc etc -- is consistent as well?
You stated that my play is consistent with busing
after Stoof got caught with his hand in the cookie jar
, but you never say anything about all of my play before that ever happened
.Glork wrote:Hey Patrick, according to Eyce, I'm willing to bus my scumbuddies. Ever heard that around the forums before?
Heh. I've heard a few rumours.
Glork, some of my doubts about you come from day 3, most from day 4. On day 3, I feel like you posted quite alot of volume but didn't do all that much to help us find scum, aside from a really weak attack on Mert. Your scumlists when they came weren't impressive, though I'm willing to say that your, "Simenon is very likely protown, like 95%" stuff is null, since it wouldn't be really necessary from a scumbuddy. You critisised people for attacking you via process of elimination and "Other people look more protown than you", then proceeded to do exactly that to Mert, and me later on. At least, that's how it looked to me, you can try and explain to me why that was ok if you want. All you said against me was that my play hadn't impressed you and that I didn't have much going for me in the behavioural sense, despite the fact that on day 2 you decided I was likely town for entirely behavioural reasons.
I also think you're asking for a massclaim on day 3 was a bit off. Especially when just 24 hours before you said this:
Glork wrote:Now... as far as the no-death goes. Here's what I would suggest. Any Doctor should just keep their mouths shut. It's likely that they would have protected one of Glork, Eteocles, Simenon, or the like -- and nobody really believes any of them to be scum at this moment in time. However, if there's a Roleblocker who targeted somebody suspect, they might want to send a Communique to a trusted source with their target.
Well... I'd agree with the first suggestion. Any doc obviously needed to stay hidden, so they could hopefully stop another kill, and get us that vital extra lynch. I think a massclaim is what scum would have wanted on day 3. They knew one of Mert/Patrick was a doctor, or guy who'd stopped the kill, and they would have wanted to find out which. That said, I remember in the endgame of newbie 254 that PJ also critisised you for suggesting a premature massclaim, and you were town then, so maybe it's just some quirk of yours.
Now that you've brought it up, can you point to any/all of the comments/posts by Simenon that made you think he was almost certainly protown?
Day 4. Ugh. I'll be honest, I really hate your play on day 4. Your early argument with Simenon seems so silly I have to wonder if it was all distancing. But i'll spare the rant and try and pick out things that might need answering. Why was it so interesting to you that the players you'd fingered as cultists were rejecting your theory? Especially in my case, your theory practically relied on me being cult scum. And it strongly relied on Eteocles being cult too. What other reaction were you expecting? Also, did you take a close look at Stoofer's play and decide it fitted well for an SK? I think I asked you that at the time and didn't get an answer. I don't particularly think claiming cop when one cop has already claimed would be brilliant play from StoofSK, nor could I see any reason why an SK would have tried to get Eteocles modkilled when he'd been busted. See, I can deal with someone bringing up the idea of a cult and thinking about it a bit, but it seemed to me like you were doing anything possible to keep the cult idea around, and not really thinking clearly about whether it was practical. And that's where it gets scummy. You were actively confusing the town. And I think it was the previous day that scum sent Mert a communique asking him if he'd been recruited, which means scum were already thinking about the idea then. Is it a coincidence that the following day you come out the gates accusing half the players of being cultists?
Eyceking, you're at the exact other end of the spectrum from Glork, it seems. The most noticeable thing about you in this game has been your absences, and general lack of doing anything much. I've gotten bored of waiting for you, so I've laid out some thoughts here to get both of you answering questions. But if you just make your case against Glork based entirely on stuff I've said against him, you can be sure I'm taking that into account.
I think as opposed to specifics, it's more the manner in which you've played the entire game that makes me distrust you. I agree with most of the case Glork presented against you on the last page, and I'm sort of tempted to just quote the case Simenon made against you on day 2 and say,"I think this still largely applies".
I don't like your vote on muse on day 3. The logic on that seemed really tortured to me. You even left your vote there when the logic you gave had been disproven. And reading on, your logic to go after Mert looks similarly bad. I think the main outstanding question for you is the one I asked a little earlier today. I want you to talk me through what you were thinking yesterday whilst the muse lynch went down. And I'd like to know why you didn't really comment on it at all. It seems like you were just sliding by, rather than being particularly bothered about who was lynched.
I think that's about it for now. I've just got bored of waiting, and I think this needs to end pretty soon.
Primpod 11:13 pm
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Regarding the massclaim thing: Remember, Patrick, that there were nearly 100 more posts between the post I made about a Doc not coming out and the one in which I said I was considering asking for one. A lot happened there, and as I said, there was a ton of potential for serious misinformation.
Secondly: If you'll rememeber, I said that everyone had said/done something to make me believe they were protown. A big part of the reason I settled on Mert is because he seemed to be skating by well under the radar. That seemed completely different from, say... Newbie 254, where Mert was active and really stepped into the ring with people without hesitation. I certainly felt that some pressure was warranted, but I wouldn't say that I had decided on MertScum by any means. When I voted him, I clearly labeled it as a placeholder. In fact, looking over my posts really quickly, I don't think I ever made any serious insinuation that Mert was likely scum. What casued you to arrive at that conclusion, Patrick?
D4, my play looks pretty bad in retrospect. I maintain that, at the time, it was not the least bit unreasonable. No, I never went back and looked over Stoof's play to see if it was consistent with an SK. I've already explained several times why I felt at the time that a Limited Cult was feasable. Before the massclaim especially, there was reason to believe it -- Limited Cult + possible Vig seems quite reasonable. After the claim, a Cult could only have existed so long as it was limited.
I realize that my cult theory relied on you and Eteocles being scum, and that's why I pushed you two so hard. At the time when you guys were shooting back at me, I proposed a probable LyLo situation. I don't know if you read Famous CATS, a mini by Bertrand, but in an essential "Do or Die" situation, Pooky and DGb clearly aligned themselves and threw everything they had at me, even though I was semiconfirmed and had a guilty on Pooky. I was convinced that if you could just manage a mislynch elsewhere, you'd win the game outright with a successful recruit. In fact, I think I ran the numbers and even concluded that, if a Cult Recruit were lynched, you'd win with a successful recruiting. I agree that it's natural for you to oppose me regardless of whether you were town or Cult, but for some reason the behavior struck me as being scummy.
I can't and won't argue that sending the Cult-Communique then me trying to wrangle a cult lynch is possible. But I think that if you take a step back and consider a position other than your own, you'd find the existence of a Cult quite possible.
Secondly: If you'll rememeber, I said that everyone had said/done something to make me believe they were protown. A big part of the reason I settled on Mert is because he seemed to be skating by well under the radar. That seemed completely different from, say... Newbie 254, where Mert was active and really stepped into the ring with people without hesitation. I certainly felt that some pressure was warranted, but I wouldn't say that I had decided on MertScum by any means. When I voted him, I clearly labeled it as a placeholder. In fact, looking over my posts really quickly, I don't think I ever made any serious insinuation that Mert was likely scum. What casued you to arrive at that conclusion, Patrick?
D4, my play looks pretty bad in retrospect. I maintain that, at the time, it was not the least bit unreasonable. No, I never went back and looked over Stoof's play to see if it was consistent with an SK. I've already explained several times why I felt at the time that a Limited Cult was feasable. Before the massclaim especially, there was reason to believe it -- Limited Cult + possible Vig seems quite reasonable. After the claim, a Cult could only have existed so long as it was limited.
I realize that my cult theory relied on you and Eteocles being scum, and that's why I pushed you two so hard. At the time when you guys were shooting back at me, I proposed a probable LyLo situation. I don't know if you read Famous CATS, a mini by Bertrand, but in an essential "Do or Die" situation, Pooky and DGb clearly aligned themselves and threw everything they had at me, even though I was semiconfirmed and had a guilty on Pooky. I was convinced that if you could just manage a mislynch elsewhere, you'd win the game outright with a successful recruit. In fact, I think I ran the numbers and even concluded that, if a Cult Recruit were lynched, you'd win with a successful recruiting. I agree that it's natural for you to oppose me regardless of whether you were town or Cult, but for some reason the behavior struck me as being scummy.
I can't and won't argue that sending the Cult-Communique then me trying to wrangle a cult lynch is possible. But I think that if you take a step back and consider a position other than your own, you'd find the existence of a Cult quite possible.
I don't have much time right now either. Although you never went after him with much gusto, your position seemed to be that he was your top suspect. You voted him at the end of the day because that was where you were most comfortable putting your vote, and you also stated suspicion of him at the start of day 4. But I'll give you this, I disliked Eyceking's position on Mert even more. Maybe more later when I have the time.Glork wrote:In fact, looking over my posts really quickly, I don't think I ever made any serious insinuation that Mert was likely scum. What casued you to arrive at that conclusion, Patrick?
Primpod 11:13 pm
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Glork, please point me to some comments by Simenon that made you think he was likely protown. Eyceking, please get your post up asap, and answer the question I asked about your play yesterday with regards to muse. I want to finish the game this weekend.
Primpod 11:13 pm
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OK, well, right now I'm finding Glork's attitude towards the communique I sent him on D2 as
The reasoning he gives for now abandoning it is... weak. Point 2. I don't know when Glork found out I was "an import", but this game has been going on since April, and I sent the communique on June 8, and he has backed it as a pro-town tell all the way until now - nearly 5 months later. I'm sure he knew I was an import before then. Sounds like a convenient excuse, to me.
Point 1, part one, is an application of Simenon's play to me, which is not something I can deal with, and is just filler. Part two is vague. Which part of my voting record has been terrible? The reasoning behind the votes, the placing of the votes, the lack of votes, the plethora of votes?
Point 3 is completely hypothetical with me as scum, and I'm not. So I don't know what to say about it, really, except that it's more filler from a scum player that has no basis.
Patrick, in answer to your question on yesterday's play with regards to muse, I fail to see what you're getting at? If I wasn't bothered about who got lynched, then I would have simply jumped on the first train going and been all "whatever" about it. But instead I was asking questions about what muse was saying, waiting to see what Glork's theory was, and then the final 2 votes came before I came back again. Sorry, I guess?
extremely
odd. I acknowledge he could have sunk me then quite easily, but perhaps he saw a better advantage in keeping me around as I clearly trusted him following him admitting the communique (following me barraging him for a while) was sent to him. I mean, I was suspected by most, if not all, of the players, and that could serve him well in the long run, and even here in endgame.The reasoning he gives for now abandoning it is... weak. Point 2. I don't know when Glork found out I was "an import", but this game has been going on since April, and I sent the communique on June 8, and he has backed it as a pro-town tell all the way until now - nearly 5 months later. I'm sure he knew I was an import before then. Sounds like a convenient excuse, to me.
Point 1, part one, is an application of Simenon's play to me, which is not something I can deal with, and is just filler. Part two is vague. Which part of my voting record has been terrible? The reasoning behind the votes, the placing of the votes, the lack of votes, the plethora of votes?
Point 3 is completely hypothetical with me as scum, and I'm not. So I don't know what to say about it, really, except that it's more filler from a scum player that has no basis.
Patrick, in answer to your question on yesterday's play with regards to muse, I fail to see what you're getting at? If I wasn't bothered about who got lynched, then I would have simply jumped on the first train going and been all "whatever" about it. But instead I was asking questions about what muse was saying, waiting to see what Glork's theory was, and then the final 2 votes came before I came back again. Sorry, I guess?
What are you pressing select for? You don't got time to make a profile!
But that's what I'm saying. You did pretty much jump on the first train and you were kind of "whatever" about it. The first train was me, and you shrugged off my defence to your main point as WIFOM. Then when the tide shifted to muse, you didn't seem especially bothered or interested. You made one comment about muse that day, which was a question/critisism. The muse lynch happened without any statement from you as to whether you were happy with it or not. I'd class that as unusual. You appeared to be suspicious of me, so weren't you worried that I might slip through to an endgame win?Eyceking wrote:Patrick, in answer to your question on yesterday's play with regards to muse, I fail to see what you're getting at? If I wasn't bothered about who got lynched, then I would have simply jumped on the first train going and been all "whatever" about it.
Primpod 11:13 pm
chamber can you please come to ukmeet
i would love to finally touch your face
chamber can you please come to ukmeet
i would love to finally touch your face
Ok. I said I'd end it this weekend. I know I haven't waited for every last answer to come in, but I don't think I'll change my mind at this point.
Apologies to all if I'm wrong. Either way, I'm really looking forward to finding out how all the stuff works in this game.
Vote: Eyceking
Apologies to all if I'm wrong. Either way, I'm really looking forward to finding out how all the stuff works in this game.
Primpod 11:13 pm
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Pro-town roles all contain the phrase “you win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.”
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You are a Mafia Goon. You may communicate during game nights only with your Godfather, Simenon, and your partner, Mr Stoofer. If you wish to communicate with them during game days, you’ll have to do so via communiqué. You win when all pro-town roles have been eliminated. Each night, you can attempt to kill. The Godfather is responsible for getting your choice in before the night deadline. If he dies, night choices become your responsibility.
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You are a Mafia Goon. You may communicate during game nights only with your Godfather, Simenon, and your partner, Eyceking. If you wish to communicate with them during game days, you’ll have to do so via communiqué. You win when all pro-town roles have been eliminated. Each night, you can attempt to kill. The Godfather is responsible for getting your choice in before the night deadline. If both he and Eyceking die, night choices become your responsibility.
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You are the town doctor. Each game night you may target a player, protecting them against a possible night kill. You may choose to protect yourself once during the game. You win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.
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Roles
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Simenon
You are in charge. You may communicate during game nights only with your partners, Eyceking and Mr Stoofer. If you want to communicate with them during the game days, you'll have to do so via communiqué. If investigated, you have a good chance of muddying any evidence against you. You win when all pro-town roles have been eliminated. Each night, you can attempt to kill. You are responsible for sending in your group’s kill choice and who will carry it out before each night’s deadline.
Pro-town roles all contain the phrase “you win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.”
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Mod note: Comes up innocent unless he’s the one performing the kill
Mafia Goon
Eyceking
You are a Mafia Goon. You may communicate during game nights only with your Godfather, Simenon, and your partner, Mr Stoofer. If you wish to communicate with them during game days, you’ll have to do so via communiqué. You win when all pro-town roles have been eliminated. Each night, you can attempt to kill. The Godfather is responsible for getting your choice in before the night deadline. If he dies, night choices become your responsibility.
Pro-town roles all contain the phrase “you win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.”
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Mafia Goon
Mr Stoofer
You are a Mafia Goon. You may communicate during game nights only with your Godfather, Simenon, and your partner, Eyceking. If you wish to communicate with them during game days, you’ll have to do so via communiqué. You win when all pro-town roles have been eliminated. Each night, you can attempt to kill. The Godfather is responsible for getting your choice in before the night deadline. If both he and Eyceking die, night choices become your responsibility.
Pro-town roles all contain the phrase “you win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.”
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Doctor
Mert
You are the town doctor. Each game night you may target a player, protecting them against a possible night kill. You may choose to protect yourself once during the game. You win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.
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Mod note: if claims to be doctor in-thread, loses abilities altogether (message sent at the beginning of the next night will be: “It was too easy for the mafia network to spot you. Your powers have been rendered useless.”)
Back-up Doctor
Patrick
You are the town’s back-up doctor. You will be notified if your services become necessary. You win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.
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Mod note: 50% effective, can’t protect self
Cop
Eteocles
You are the town’s cop. Each night you can investigate a player. You win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.
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Mod note: sane; if claims to be cop in-thread, loses abilities altogether (message sent at the beginning of the next night will be: “It was too easy for the mafia network to spot you. Your powers have been rendered useless.”)
Back-up Cop
Phoebus
You are the town’s back-up cop. You will be notified if your services become necessary. You win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.
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Mod note: sane, 50% effective
Townie
LoudmouthLee
Go get ‘em, tiger. You win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.
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Townie
Miztef
You have the power of your vote! You win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.
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Townsperson
Glork (replacing blahgo)
You win when all anti-town roles have been eliminated.
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Townsperson
Adel (replacing itsallnines who replaced ChannelDelibird)
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Villager
muse
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Extra Message
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Death Message
: Mod note stating dead player’s role. Extra notes
: --Dead players get to send one final secret message to the player of their choice.
--Communiqués are simply cut, pasted, and forwarded on -- cut off if exceeding 20 words (I will PM a warning that’s what I’m doing & wait 12 hours for a response before sending the cut-off message).
--Communiqués are sent as soon as I receive them -- in the order they appear in my inbox.
Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza
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Choices
:Night 1
:- Eyceking (Mafia goon) targets LoudmouthLee (Townie), who dies
- Mert (Doctor), protects ChannelDelibird (Townsperson)
- Eteocles (Cop) investigates Simenon (Godfather), receives “seems innocent” result
- Patrick (Back-up Doc) is given the ability to send an extra message.
- blahgo (Townsperson), though given the ability to shadow tonight, did not send in a choice before deadline.
Day 1
:- muse (Villager) gets the message “LoudmouthLee was Townie”
- Eteocles (Cop) claims his role, so will lose power tonight
- Mr Stoofer (Mafia Goon) shadows Eteocles (Cop), gets the message that 1 message was received
- ChannelDelibird (Townsperson) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Night 2
:- Mert (Doctor) gets the message “Miztef was Townie”
- Eteocles (Cop) receives message that his power has been rendered useless
- Phoebus (Back-up Cop) receives activation message
- Eyceking (Goon) targets Phoebus (Back-up Cop), who dies
- Mert (Doctor), protects Eteocles (Former Cop)
- Phoebus (Back-up Cop) investigates Patrick (Back-up Doctor), gets result “innocent”
- blahgo (Townsperson), though given the ability to shadow tonight, did not send in a choice before deadline.
- Eyceking (Goon) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Day 2
:- Simenon (Godfather) gets the death message “Phoebus was back-up cop”
- itsallnines (Townsperson) shadows muse (Villager), gets the message that 0 messages were received
- Eteocles (Cop) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Night 3
:- Patrick (Back-up Doctor) gets the death message “Mr Stoofer was Mafia Goon”
- Simenon (Godfather) targets Eteocles (Former Cop), who survives due to doc protection
- Mert (Doctor), protects Eteocles (Cop)
- Mert (Doctor) shadows Adel/itsallnines (Townsperson), gets the message that 0 messages were received
- Simenon (Godfather) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Day 3
:- muse (Villager) shadows Glork (Townsperson), gets the message that 1 message was received
- Patrick (Back-up Doctor) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Night 4
:- Simenon (Godfather) gets the death message “Adel was Townsperson”
- Simenon (Godfather) targets Mert (Doctor), who survives due to protection
- Mert (Doctor), protects himself
- Mert (Doctor) shadows Eyceking (Goon), gets the message that 0 messages were received
- Glork (Townsperson) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Day 4
:- Glork (Townsperson) is given the ability to shadow, but doesn’t submit a choice in time.
- Simenon (Godfather) is given the ability to send an extra message.
- Mert (Doctor) claims his role, so will lose power tonight
Night 5
:- Eteocles (Former Cop) gets the death message “Simenon was Godfather”
- Eyceking (Goon) targets Mert (Former Doctor), who dies despite weak doc protection
- Patrick (Back-up Doctor), protects Mert (Former Doctor) – I flip “tails,” so protection’s ineffective
- Mert (Former Doctor) is given the ability to shadow, but doesn’t submit a choice in time.
- Glork (Townsperson) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Day 5
:- Eyceking (Goon) gets the death message “Mert was Doctor”
- muse (Villager) shadows Eteocles (Former Cop), gets the message that 6 messages were received
- Glork (Townsperson) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Night 6
:- Eteocles (Former Cop) gets the death message “muse was Villager”
- Eyceking (Goon) targets Eteocles (Former Cop), who dies
- Patrick (Back-up Doctor), protects Glork (Townsperson) – I flip “heads,” so protection’s effective
- Eyeking (Goon) shadows Glork (Townsperson), gets the message that 1 messages were received
- Eyceking (Goon) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Day 6
:- Glork (Townsperson) gets the death message “Eteocles was Cop”
- Patrick (Back-up Doctor) receives the ability to shadow a player, but does not choose to do so.
- Patrick (Back-up Doctor) is given the ability to send an extra message.
Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza
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Communiqués (in order received/sent):
Night 1
:- Phoebus to LoudmouthLeeWelcome back Lee! About time you got back!
How is the family doing?
Hi to your folks from me! - LoudmouthLee to Mr StooferI am Traitor. To be recruited, need to guess mafia member right. If you're mafia, say “Hello Everyone” first post.
- Patrick to Mr StooferHi Stoof. You also able to send messages like this? 20 words only. – Patrick
- Patrick to MertHi Mert. You also able to send messages like this? 20 words only. – Patrick
- Mert to PatrickHi Patrick, I certainly can send these messages. I think maybe everyone can, but not sure – Mert.
- muse to PatrickI'm not really sure what to say right now.Hopefully things will be more clear by daybreak.
Day 1
:- Early in Day 1, Mr Stoofer sent a message to LoudmouthLee which basically identified himself as scum and LmL as too good a scum-catcher to let live. Although Lee alerted me to the problem and offered to forgo his post-death communiqué, I didn’t think it was fair to punish Lee when it was Stoof who’d spoken out of turn. It was at this point I reminded everyone of the “no talking outside the thread” rule (post 25).
- ChannelDelibird (later itsallnines) to MertOnly a townie will say “antidisestablishmentarianism”.
- LoudmouthLee to PhoebusAdi -
Stoofer seems VERY scummy! I was townie, but think Stoofer scum. I hope we be friends again.
-Lee - Eteocles to SimenonThis is Eteocles. I am the cop, I investigated you last night, the results said innocent.
- Simenon to PatrickYo Patsy
You scum?
love,
Simenon - Mr. Stoofer to EteoclesI’m a cop. If you’re a cop: one of us has sanity issues. I suggest: investigate Simenon or Patrick.
- Mert to PhoebusYour “Lee” message - Mine was unsigned, saying only a townie will say "antidisestablishmentarianism". Does this relate to yours? Mert
- muse to PhoebusI did not sign my communique. I am a townie villager with no abilities.
Night 2
:- Miztef to SimenonI'm townie. I get 1 final message. This may be what loudmounthlee was given. Suspicion - Stoofer, muse, itsallnines. From: Miztef
- Mert to EteoclesDid you get the communiqué labelled "extra" or was it just me? – Mert
Day 2
:- Mr Stoofer to SimenonYour argument against me is stupid. Drop it and unvote me. muse is the play for today. Stoofer
- Mert to GlorkJelly thought I was town because we play similarly. Miztef reveal labelled "communiqué extra" and not in quote box. - Mert
- muse to Glork”Extra”
I'm pressed for time right now. More later. - Eteocles to Mr StooferJust Re-Read. I assume you sent me the cop communique day one. Simenon innocent according my investigation. Communique back? Eteocles.
- Simenon to GlorkYou were Mafia Godfather in Clan Mafia on mtgsalvation.com. I got "extra" from Meme saying Phoebus was back up-cop.
Simenon - Phoebus to PatrickPost 269
muse lying?
only one message from him. no keywords used by me.
dead guy = backup cop.
miztef cop? - itsallnines to Mr Stooferas antidisestablishmentarianism goes, i am curious re. the source of your information, as it is valid.
nines - Glork to MertIf Miztef Townie, include "bizarre" in next post.
If Miztef power: "confusing."
If unspecified: "crystal clear."
Glork says "Bananas" afterwards. - Eyceking to GlorkI'm banking on you being a townie. I'm using this as a test of your honesty also.
Signed: Eyceking - Patrick to GlorkPatrick here. Remember chatting about how long is took dahen to make a decision in mini 358?
Night 3
:- Patrick to EteoclesI got communique "extra". Stoofer mafia goon. I backup doctor, activated when doc dies. Doc alive currently. Patrick.
- Mr Stoofer to MertNeed to know if you have been recruited. Post "good" in first post if yes.
- Mert to PatrickMy communiqué to the dead failed. You got cross at my absence in Open Four. Brits rule scumchat! Mert
- muse to MertIt seems that all non player to player information is extra. I'm a villager with no abilities. LoudmouthLee was townie.
- Glork to SimenonIt seems that all non player to player information is extra. I'm a villager with no abilities. LoudmouthLee was townie.
- Simenon to GlorkGot similar response as Patrick from meme over dead communique issue. HI GLROK!!
Simenon - Eteocles to SimenonPatrick sent me a communique. He says he recieved Communique "Extra" Says stoofer was scum.
- Adel to PatrickGoogle "javascript encryption Decryption"
first hit
Encryption Key
Alpha Anagram
Bravo Generator
Charlie EXPLANATION
Delta Unfortunately
Echo maximum
Foxtrot processing
Day 3
:- Adel to GlorkGoogle "javascript encryption decryption"
first hit
Encryption Key
Golf animal
Hotel elephant
India lion
Juliet tiger
Kilo snake
Lima frog - Simenon to EteoclesI are a townie! No special abilities.
Simenon - Eteocles to MertI think you're doctor? If yes, make post with word "unicyclist". Next sentance has person protected. If not, "dumplings". Eteocles.
- Mert to PatrickI'm Doc. Eteocles knows. In scumchat, you said you're at Sheffield Uni.
I'll say "crikey" to confirm from me. Mert - muse to MertI am Glork's shadow today. I might see something. Hopefully the key to the code. Villager that contacted you previously.
- Patrick to MertI backup doc, know you legit. Who you protected? Put their name first word of your next post. Patrick.
Night 4
:- Simenon to GlorkAdel was a townsperson. Sent to you because I trust you.
Simenon - muse to SimenonGlork recieved one message day three. No further information was gained from the shadow ability.
The villager - Patrick to EteoclesWhat makes you think muse and Simenon definitely town? Opinion or something concrete? Patrick. (Who helped review your setup)
- Eteocles to MertI have not recieved any Communique extras Yet. Patrick is learning to unicycle. Eteocles.
- Mert to EteoclesI didn't receive Adel's role, but did get the Shadow ability. Shadowing Eyceking. First word tomorrow is person protected. Mert
- Glork to SimenonIf you sent me the message that I just recieved, make the first word of your first post "Welp"
-Glork - Glork to EteoclesSimenon says Adel was a townsperson; assuming he lives, he can confirm this come daytime.
-Glork - Adel to musePasscodes Alpha Anagram Bravo Generator Lima frog I was town. I hope you are too. Signed, Adel.
Day 4
:- Simenon to MertWant to be culted tonight? Quote shakespeare in your next post. Help us mislynch. We have this one.
- muse to MertMy favorite pizza toppings are sausage and mushrooms. What are yours?
muse - Eteocles to MertI was in the Cyber Nations Darwin alliance with you. My name was calormen. Yours was mertotania. Sorry for disappearing.
- Patrick to EteoclesThis is Patrick. My favourite dessert is banoffee pie. I'll confirm by posting my favourite dessert.
- Glork to MertGlork here -- mentioned rabbit in Mario 64 being rather douchy. I will post "Incognito" on your request.
- Eyceking to MertI would die for Arsenal FC, and Chelsea can kiss my ass. Tottenham, too.
Signed: Eyceking - Simenon to MertSimSim. Here confirming my second communique.
Night 5
:- Eteocles to MertGot Communique Extra. Sim was the godfather. I suggest you save yourself tonight if you can. Dog in banana suit.
- Patrick to MertWeird. I became doctor. Protect tonight. Protect you? Problem: If no kill, cult theories still around? You choose. Patrick.
- Mert to PatrickAbilities stolen like Eteo described; you're doc. Consider Eteo confirmed. Also, cult extremely unlikely. I'll say "holy confirmation, Batman" - Mert
- Eyceking to MertHey Mert. This is part of my plan to disprove muse's theory on me sending dead player communiques.
Signed: Eyceking - muse to PatrickHi scum.
I can hardly wait to lynch you tommorrow. - Glork to MertGot Extra Message (sent to Eyce). Will post "very intriguing" in first post tomorrow. Nothing else to report.
-Glork - Glork to EycekingGot Extra Message (sent to Mert). Will post "very intriguing" in first post tomorrow. Nothing else to report.
-Glork
Day 5
:- Mert to EteoclesCommuniqués from the dead are real! Remember Ultimate Jeopardy? I was ahead of you briefly. Claim this, help town! Mert
- muse to EteoclesI like oreo icecream.
muse - Patrick to EteoclesYou towns cop. Stoofers attempt to get you modkilled failed, was sure he was scum at that point. Patrick.
- Glork to EteoclesThis is Message 1 from Glork. Will say "Banana" in next post and "MONKEYZ" in postmortem post if allowed.
-Glork - Glork to EteoclesThis is Message 2 from Glork. Will follow "Banana" with "hammock" in next post.
-Glork - Eyceking to EteoclesCommunique, communique, communique. Communiques communique communique, communique communique. Communique communique! Communique!! Communique... Communique communique? Lol.
Signed: Eyceking
Night 6
:- Eyceking to PatrickBond, James Bond. This is my communique, and I have the Extra and I'm sending it to Eteocles.
Signed: Eyceking - Eyceking to EteoclesI have the Extra and I've sent the other one to Patrick.
Signed: Eyceking - muse to GlorkThe dead really do speak. Eteocles recieved six communiques yesterday. Pass it on.
Oreo icecream is delicious. - Glork to EycekingMuse spoke; Eteo got six communiques yesterday.
I wish to remain anonymous; expect "I am prepared" in a post tomorrow. - Patrick to EteoclesSending my communique though it probably isn't really necessary. Suspect Eyceking is scum. From Patrick.
Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza
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...And a quick personal note. This group of players was a true pleasure (once blahgo was chucked). I was so impressed by the dedication and participation and the very low level of replacements -- remarkable in such a long-running game. It would've been horrible to forward tons of messages/choices to a new player so I'm grateful it wasn't necessary, especially late in the game.
Thanks a ton!
Thanks a ton!
Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza