In post 1895, ofrhz wrote:Yeah basically what ruru just posted. I do think you’re tunneling hard but since it doesn’t mean much coming from me, maybe northsidegal can help.
I'm aware that I might be but I don't know how to break out of it beyond just doing a hard reset by like ignoring everything he says for a few IRL days and trying to re-evaluate then.
Like I don't really townread anyone enough to sheep them, or have much confidence that their read is better than mine.
In post 1905, Oxy wrote:I'm kind of confused why you're not voting, ofrhz.
Not really because I think not voting is scummy here
Just curious about your thought process
Wait, Oxy is right here. If you're town, shouldn't you be trying to build a counter wagon to survive? Or vote Scioness, whose wagon is already built and you have said that she's one of your top scumreads??
I thought my town flip would help people refocus their reads, which is why I didn't mind initially, but I have since realized this will probably not be the case.
Scioness is top scumread by PoE. I only have little things that ping to me, but they could also come from town. e.g.
- Scioness said one of ruru's posts pinged her "super hard" as town, but she didn't revise her read on ruru after that.
- Answering my question by asking another question -- I get that I didn't answer her earlier question, but this doesn't preclude her from both answering my question and asking for an answer to hers.
- She said she's scumreading me and then said she has to sort me -- I don't think this was necessarily scummy, but then she wanted to sort me by asking: "ofrhz why do you think you seem different to me d2?" This was just weird questioning, and I don't see town asking questions this way.
Like these things don't build up to a strong case against Scioness imo. I was lowkey waiting for ruru to keep interrogating Scioness until ruru built her case, so I could just sheep that. But I think the last line of interrogation died down when ruru cleared up the ambiguity with Scioness's posts from D1 (so I'm also not sure how confident ruru is on her Scioness read).
No, but a lot of what I'm reading sajj as scummy for in D2 is her interactions with skitter, both independent of, and in comparison to, her interactions with others.
And PoE is a big part of all of my reads at this point.
In post 1910, ofrhz wrote:Scioness is top scumread by PoE. I only have little things that ping to me, but they could also come from town. e.g.
- Scioness said one of ruru's posts pinged her "super hard" as town, but she didn't revise her read on ruru after that.
- Answering my question by asking another question -- I get that I didn't answer her earlier question, but this doesn't preclude her from both answering my question and asking for an answer to hers.
- She said she's scumreading me and then said she has to sort me -- I don't think this was necessarily scummy, but then she wanted to sort me by asking: "ofrhz why do you think you seem different to me d2?" This was just weird questioning, and I don't see town asking questions this way.
Like these things don't build up to a strong case against Scioness imo. I was lowkey waiting for ruru to keep interrogating Scioness until ruru built her case, so I could just sheep that. But I think the last line of interrogation died down when ruru cleared up the ambiguity with Scioness's posts from D1 (so I'm also not sure how confident ruru is on her Scioness read).
I think she's still fairly scummy. TLDR in no particular order of why I think so is like:
Her reasons for sussing me are really weird. When people (not just me) point out that her logic is weird, she doesn't really seem to consider much that she could be wrong. Example:
In post 1219, Scioness Sajj wrote:I feel like you even engaging on my case is proof of you being a scum.
(Maybe she thought I would be an easy mislynch today due to my playstyle and didn't expect me to go after her? It would make sense in a way.)
Often uncooperative when reasonable questions are brought up. Like if you're town and you think someone is sussing you for poor reasons, it doesn't make sense to be uncooperative. It makes sense to 1) give clear explanation so they can move on in case they are town 2) explore their lines of questioning to see if there's scummy logic behind it in case they are scum. Example: 1722
By the reasoning of her own posts she should be guilty, if it were actually applied to her. Town is certainly capable of hypocrisy too but I think it's more likely to come from scum. Example:
In post 468, Scioness Sajj wrote:Also 316 proves that he is able to analyze a game on deeper level. So why his first case on me was so weak? Weak to the point I had to explain to him why most of it is too weak to push a case. He didn't come up with anything stronger, he saw that 'his town reads' weren't buying, he didn't really try to reason with people (I don't remember him trying to convince you or get into a convo why you don't find those things suspicious were he had me as obvscum on me, I don't remember him discussing it with anybody), I think if it was town motivated tunnel he would argue more or actually reconsider if maybe what he thinks is wrong since everybody else disagreed with him.
About the premise, I strongly believe SS is able to analyze the game on a deeper level than her current play. c.f. first part of 284695
217 is weird in context. The second part of 284 is actually really weird since I don't think Drixx/pin ever suggested an ofrhz+ruru scumteam. I think she's also confirmed at this point that she did not understand their posts to be suggesting an ofrhz+ruru scumteam.
She didn't seriously consider no-lynching instead of hammering Drixx, even though Dino was in the thread at the time, nor did she wait for Drixx to claim
Dino was trying to lead town, had her first in his lynch order, and he got killed (Can be pretty WIFOMy but there is a clear motive. I think all WIFOM considered SS would be having a worse day today if he were here.)
I just don't like 1220. It's not necessarily that the post is super +EV for scum!SS - it probably isn't. It's also that I think a town player would have it on the front of their mind why they should not make that post. I actually read a game before where scum asked an even more obvious question. Sample size is 1 but it's definitely not too scummy to be scum.
She's aligning herself with skitter and skitter makes no sense either regardless of alignment, but somehow skitter makes the most sense to her?
I'm not like super sure that she's scum, but I do think she's quite significantly the scummiest player at this point.
My primary tool for trying to solve this game right now is PoE. Like I said earlier with the thought experiment, if you take those people I mentioned as town, we're left with a pool of three people. Out of those three I still think I feel the worst about lynching scioness.
So either the team is pintu/scioness, I'm making a bad assumption in thinking that scum aren't bussing, or I have scum in my thought experiment town group.
