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Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:41 am**

but I don't want to do a back and forth.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:47 am**

I saw creature resistance to ofhrz lynch day 1. I saw creature wanting to sheep tims reads which was lynch menalque and ofhrz but when the ofhrz wagon actually had a chance, creature went missing. Creature also pushed away from ofhrz to chemist on day2 and I found that suspicious. Creature has deep wolf playstyle so best way for him to win is to set up mislynches and set up his buddy to win because deep wolves lose all town cred they build late game.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:49 am**

And I see a gamma connection because not only am i scumreading gamma but It makes sense as to why creature has to protect ofhrz because from his pov menalque and me were going to to lynch gamma no matter what.

Even if gamma flips town, I still find the creature and ofhrz slot interaction really suspicious.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:20 am**

In post 1899, Gamma Emerald wrote:You can quote your post if you live

This post concerns me more than pretty much any other Gamma has posted.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:39 am**

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:47 am**

I’m VT

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:48 am**

Collector Hector is my flavor

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:49 am**

In post 1896, EspressoPatronum wrote:Time for ofrhz to claim.

What did you like in gamma’s case on me?

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:53 am**

In post 1856, Gamma Emerald wrote:-people are human and make mistakes
-oh look I changed my opinion I mist be scum now

I don’t think changing your opinion makes you scum

But you changed your opinion at a time when I was looking like the most likely alternative to your own lynch so it looks opportunistic

And I don’t follow the reasoning behind it?

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:06 am**

I changed my opinion because your read confidence when you first townread me made no sense and that made you walking it back look way worse.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:52 am**

In post 1895, Gamma Emerald wrote:Er what is your read on me Elements? In fact a full read list would be nice from you rn

Menalque
DP

RP

Pine
PB
EP

Chemist
Creature

Gamma
ofrhz

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:07 am**

Why's Creature below Chemist?

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:16 am**

RP's analysis of their voting swayed me

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:47 am**

Let's lynch Gamma boys. Even if we're wrong, we lynch ofrhz tomorrow. This VC seems to be that we have a scum wagon and a counterwagon, so let's do it

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:49 am**

@micc could we get a votecount please?

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:53 am**

4 votes on Gamma, 4 votes on ofrhz

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:59 am**

Votecount 2.11

Gamma Emerald (4) -

Menalque, ofrhz, Detective Pikachu, Pink Ball

ofrhz (4) -

RedPanda, Chemist1422, Gamma Emerald, Creature

Not Voting (3) -

Pine, EspressoPatronum, Elements

With 11 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-07-19 09:05:00).

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:26 am**

@Ofrhz see below

my annotations

on Gamma's case against. TL;DR: Gamma points out your hedy reads and bandwagoning.

Note - At the time of Gamma's posting (and mine, shortly thereafter), my scumread read on Gamma had softened. I honestly think part of that is an activity bias on my part, but I think he brought up some good points on you. With Gamma's recent posting, however, I'm back to being more on the fence.

I'm still leaning toward you, Ofrhz. I feel uneasy about Creature, and others (RP specifically) are saying we gain information on hip with your flip. Seems good to me.

Spoiler:

In post 1718, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can feel my attention span slipping so I'll just post what I have so far on offers thought wise
In post 481, ofrhz wrote:My name is written in invisible ink at the top of my own readslist
Why post this at all?
In post 531, ofrhz wrote:
In post 524, Tim Goodman wrote:Ofhrz posting is rly bad.
Why? Do you townread Panda?

In post 533, ofrhz wrote:Just assume it's coming from town and answer it then

In post 535, ofrhz wrote:@_@
This whole interaction still has me dazed and confused a little but after working on it I have a small grasp, it also helps I was able to look at later posts and get some perspective
In post 540, ofrhz wrote:
In post 539, Chemist1422 wrote:I think ofrhz is worse, their reaction to pressure felt kinda off like they didn’t really care but were acting like they did.
what
I have stuff yo say here but it probably fits better in the future Chemist ISO
In post 577, ofrhz wrote:
In post 571, Menalque wrote:Detective Pika is scum and so is gamma calling it now
uh why is gamma scum?
Tbh I get a distinct feeling offers was white knighting me to and through this post, I feel they just seem super convinced I'm town which kinda concerns me, and on top of that I recall offers voting me this day phase which makes it weirder.

This is a good catch by Gamma. It shows your posting behaviour =/= your voting behaviour.

In post 743, ofrhz wrote:idk I don't have that many thoughts on him

The only thing that looks interesting in his iso is that he toneread ceejay and Pink Ball town, and I'm actually not tone townreading Pink ball here, which I think I tend to do when PB is town

In post 744, ofrhz wrote:actually I think FB could be scum based on uhhhh gut lol

I could join you guys on Menalque

In post 745, ofrhz wrote:If I voted, it'd be L-1 right
This looks like a hastily planned bandwagoning attempt tbh
In post 748, ofrhz wrote:I don't have thoughts on that....?

In post 749, ofrhz wrote:Oh I think Gamma is town :3
This feels like a cop out on actually reading Cinnamon

See above re white knighting

In post 1742, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1018, ofrhz wrote:I believe you!
This opening feels very awkward to me

Agreed

In post 1077, ofrhz wrote:I feel better about menalque town and am cooling on gamma

Still prefer this though

VOTE: pink
Begins flipping his read on me, but votes PB. Honestly I think with how he votes me later this indicates not just offers but PB too
In post 1330, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1199, Pink Ball wrote:I've been paranoid about them since the game started but I think he's not top priority.

If we agree that lynches should be in {ofrhz, Chemist, Menalque, RedPanda} I think we're into something. And by lynches I mean not only today. Of course we revaluate if we are wrong but I think that's a solid lynch pool, because of the townbloc that is implied with that. If we lynch Chemist and he flips scum I would trade ofrhz for another player, but more into that later.
This is pretty good but let’s not lynch me first
This post seems like he wants to be under the radar but is failing, and honestly he seems to respond like this to pressure consistently.
In post 1368, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1352, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1305, Klick wrote:
In post 1303, RedPanda wrote:It's like people don't understand that replacements catchup posts should not be over analyzed as scum or town. They have an advantage of no interactions and they can pick and choose what to talk about and be somewhat honest about old posts.
I both agree with this and think there was merit to pushing a narrative that Gamma was towny to encourage that level of contribution from others yesterday. Regardless of actual alignment I think Gamma's early posts were pro-town.
But now that I'm finished reading into Gamma's ISO I'm left feeling almost entirely null about him, which surprises me.
Okay no this looks like scum trying to find an excuse to walk back their town read on me

Yeah. Super hedgy.

VOTE: Klick
I also recently came around to scumreading your slot, but you didn’t mention that in your catchup. Can you talk about why you treated my slot differently from Klick’s?
What's interesting is at this point I'd say offers' read flip on me makes less sense than Klick's
In post 1450, ofrhz wrote:VOTE: gamma
I agree with PB's 1652 that this vote comes at a time that makes it rather scummy

Agreed. Looks like you hopped on the bandwagon. Your read transition from town!gamma to null!gamma to scum!gamma aligns with this.

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:32 am**

I was waiting for some discussion and the Ofrhz claim before voting.
VOTE: Ofrhz

L-1

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:44 am**

Vote Gamma fools

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:45 am**

Can I get a promise from all the ofrhz voters to vote Gamma tomorrow if ofrhz flips town?

ofrhz will you hate me if I hammer you?

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:46 am**

Now, I know that this posts will look awful if ofrhz flips scum, but whatever

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:50 am**

In post 1877, Creature wrote:Did Gamma claim?

In post 1886, Creature wrote:Ugh

The ofrhz wagon is pretty tempting too though

In post 1887, Creature wrote:ofrhz also dodged claiming I assume?

In post 1896, EspressoPatronum wrote:Time for ofrhz to claim.

This is objectively anti-town

Shouldn’t be pushing for a claim before L-1

I’m willing to give EP benefit of the doubt because I’m mostly TRing him

But creature definitely knows this and did it anyway

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:51 am**

Yeah the Creature Gamma associations are getting awfully obvious, but it's Gamma first

Posted: **Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:52 am**

I won't lynch ofrhz yet 'cause maybe Pine and Elements join us and Gamma gets lynched

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