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In post 1895, Aloratom wrote:WTF

UNVOTE:

In post 1893, word321 wrote:UNVOTE:
Lets do this like civilized ppl this time, shall we?
No need to do a real vote if we have a strategy

In post 1900, midwaybear wrote:

In post 1895, Aloratom wrote:WTF

UNVOTE:

How is this w/w

In post 1904, midwaybear wrote:i actually thought it was hammer. Anyways, idk what alor is, but I don't townread him anymore. My preferred lynch is madonna/word.
iirc nahdia defended madonna early game and albert was attacking. That might have been a scum tactic idk

In post 1897, votato wrote:the strategy is to lynch midway. if he flips town we vig word and if he flips scum we vig alora

In post 1791, Aloratom wrote:

In post 1750, Madonna wrote:I normally delete quotes within quotes to prevent walls, but if you need the post Aloratom responds to, this would be it.

What's the purpose of this post? To raise again the possibility of a second mafia? Why do that?

In post 1864, word321 wrote:We have this guy pinning on Aloratom:

Spoiler:

In post 1763, midwaybear wrote:L-1: you me norwee madonna
if alor flips scum, vig word. It seemed like he was trying to deflect

In post 1733, midwaybear wrote:

In post 1724, Aloratom wrote:today's lynch should be me or midway

this line never comes from town
VOTE: Aloratom

In post 1742, midwaybear wrote:pretty sure alor is scum because town doesn't just give up like that. That being said, I sorta get his attitude right now.
Still think he is the best hang.

In post 1768, midwaybear wrote:ok, I just don't want to die because I'm town(opposite of Alor)

Until alarotam became too townread to be lynched (I know this is an alteration of the timeline, but this does reflect the thought process midway may have had at the time):

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In post 1802, midwaybear wrote:stop
if alor flips town it's madonna+word
I don't like his resigned tone, but I feel it too

In post 1827, midwaybear wrote:Alor feels townie now, so we pivot to word
I am not the lynch todsy

Into a full blown stampede on the other townslots:

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In post 1763, midwaybear wrote:L-1: you me norwee madonna
if alor flips scum, vig word. It seemed like he was trying to deflect

In post 1765, midwaybear wrote:why am I being vigged over word?

In post 1786, midwaybear wrote:

In post 1781, votato wrote:every game you play a bit differently, but in no games do you do much scumhunting. and in 1997 i gave you a newbie pass and paid for it. i cant let you get away with that twice, so i feel like i have to be extra hard on you. notice that i havent hardpushed you or tunneled you this game. i just consistently call you out for not actually helping to gamesolve. i keep asking you to help out and ask you to give reads, thoughts and analysis. but you never do.

yes, fair enough
I think if alor flips town, vig/alien madonna/word
Upon scum flip, vig word and he should be the last scum
idk what PRs scum have, so hopefully they don't have a roleblocker
pedit: @norwee

In post 1825, midwaybear wrote:VOTE: word321
Lets do this

In post 1833, midwaybear wrote:Lets wait for ND. Pretty sure he is on the same page as you, but this is getting nowhere.
I can see where you’re coming from votato, but I already tried to pull interaction quotes and it didn’t work so there’s not much more I can do.
Idk who is scum. Nahdia defended word though, so keep it in mind.

In post 1836, midwaybear wrote:What about pox7

In post 1854, midwaybear wrote:

In post 1853, Aloratom wrote:

In post 1833, midwaybear wrote:Nahdia defended word though

Can you pull this up?

sorry, I meant manatee
I guess nahdia and abr did decide to bus

Note the emphasis on my slot over the other, coincidentally being the most scumread over {Madonna, 7po, word321}
Not only it has incorrect facts, as Abr and Nahdia coluded on my wagon on D1, she never defended me once (u can go check it out if u want); he retracted about that only after being called out on it.

There is also flawed logic; his first attitude was "If alarotam is scum, vig word instead of block, as he was deflective". U know, in the plan I was to be blocked; if u rly though I was the most likely partner, the best course of action would be to block, cause that would have easily shown a no kill on the day; this is for pragmatic reasons, as scum can actually not kill that night, so blocking on this scenario is faulty (unless, again, we r talking about the most possible partner)***. If bear is rly town, then even if he dies we win the game under that hypothesis. On the other hand, if Im not the most likely partner to Aloratom, then only if I was the most suspect would it be better to vig at night my slot, EXACTLY if im, again, not the most likely partner; the association does not amount to anything.
What does it amount, though? Bear survives the night, cause he is not vigged. Furthermore, Aloratom dstn even

need

to be scum; the current convention is that we will vig

regardless of a flip

and only block

upon a flip

.
This is faulty logic in so many ways, and favors bear so much it is not even funny.

I thought to actually also post his "spectacular" defense on his (lack of) assosiation with albert, but u can all go iso him for that. Its funny considering one of the things that killed the most momentum of his wagon after nahdias lynch was alberts gambit, wich monopolized the day.

Overall, I RLY think at this point midwaybear is scum. How can a player pray so much for his own survival? Thats the only thing that makes me think that makes him town, cause no scum would be so blatantly obvious. But he isnt even trying to rly solve the game; again, the above argument is

factually wrong

meaning he didnt even bother to check how things rly went. I cant even associate it with newbieness; I saw him on 1997, he wasnt a bad player.
I just think he is playing every card to stay alive here.

And again I must repeat myself:

We have so many little real information we r judgin ppl directly based upon comparatives, and not "hard" data

. From the lynch list, the only one Im truly confident could be scum is midwaybear; our current process of choosing the lynch is naturally orbiting to leaving the most experient players alive, and not the most likely towns; proof of that is aloratoms current shift to block instead of lynch, midways bear drift towards the most scummy player and 7pos practical immunity. I feel this is highly faulty, specially considering (again, repeating myself) that the most likely scums to survive r the most experient ones; thats completely contradictory with bear. I have made every single call wrong this game, so I may be biased; but I RLY think the dices on this particular ocasion r better (upon a prearranged list, oc).

Upon the current arrangement of things, its pretty clear bear and me cant be partners; so under that hypothesis, considering Ill be in the trio of players to be lynched, it IS indeed more effective to lynch bear, then vig me and then block aloratom (excluding Madonna and 7po); but due to his recent attitude to aloratom, I think there should be another 3rd player instead of aloratom on the block in case bear effectlively flips scum. Notice Im currently proposing to ditch that particular bit of the current strategy though.

***This is why I dnt like NDMaths, plan. There r 2 main reasons:
1. Keep things deadsimple, if they r as effective; no need to put a lot of conditionals on this.
2. Confirming who u r blocking is a TERRIBLE idea on every single scenario; even if we do lynch scum, lets say we r wrong on the block, and scum dsnt kill that night. What would happen? Thats a free ticket to defeat. On the other hand, not disclosing the block actually has investigative values, cause scum dsnt know who will be blocked

In post 1876, votato wrote:

In post 1756, NDMath wrote:There are three votes on Tom right now. (Norwee, madonna, midway)

Hang Tom
vig midway
If Tom is mafia alien word
If Tom is town don't say who you're going to alien.

I'm ready for hammer if votato is.

In post 1907, midwaybear wrote:ok, I'm actually going to defend myself but give me some time
no hurry

In post 1911, Madonna wrote:

In post 1791, Aloratom wrote:

In post 1750, Madonna wrote:I normally delete quotes within quotes to prevent walls, but if you need the post Aloratom responds to, this would be it.

What's the purpose of this post? To raise again the possibility of a second mafia? Why do that?

Did you read the quoted post? I was sharing my work with someone who was suggesting I was not doing anything. My post explains I considered it at length and eventually dismissed the idea. In a later post, Aloratom, you again push the idea that I believe the game is multiball, and again, that would be wrong.

Why is everyone so outraged by their scumread? Lynch midwaybear or get over here.

• I post that we are waiting
• votato calls it bereft of analysis and look at me, i am so town, shading me on one post instead of doing anything better
• I share a whole bunch of stuff that did not make the cut because I am putting work into this game while saying votato only has a role claim that saved him
• popopopopopopo asks if this means NDMath is confirmed or not, he asks this right after my posts so I assume that is what made him ask, so the yes and no is the long and short of it, yes being the simple answer, no being welllllll technically there is a possibility
• Summary: I brought up a dead theory of mine to tell votato to buzz off, said it was dead, popopopopopopo asked if it was a live theory, and I said no

In post 1748, Madonna wrote:I think we are still waiting on popopopopopopo to vote or maybe intent to L-1 if we are hammer wary, but we really need to pick targets for the alien and vigilante so whatever the night results, we know where we stand. Or is it better to trust the power roles and do it quietly so scum cannot trust their own actions?

In post 1749, votato wrote:i mean it would be cool if a neighborizer were to show up right about now. dont like that LAMIST post. thats pure IIoA.

In post 1750, Madonna wrote:You have my reads prior to the mass claim and you have seen my opinions on the path we have to take. Other than discussing what is the best use the power roles, I have little else to say because lynching the VTs is my plan. You know, the one that puts me at risk so that town may win, so you can comfortably sit there and lob acronyms at me while you stress that you do not want to work with town.

Here, let me lob a bomb your way, if you want analysis:

there are no confirmed town in this game

. Everything is a matter of trust. There is no proof for any of this. We treat the power claims as givens because we trust in both the players and in likelihoods. All of these claims could be argued against. The vigilante is an excuse for a second mafia, the tracker claim handily fell out when someone claimed to have misread rolestopper as roleblocker and it is odd because we know the alien was, and the rolestopper may have stopped the second night nightkill but someone realize they could take credit by claiming to be a universal backup. This is all strictly possible. These are all things we could consider.

But we do not, because paranoia destroys a game, because we learn to trust some players, some more than others, and some

over

others. We make a choice when we say NDMath's claim is valid and Nahdia's is not. We decide that our votes matter, that we can tell when someone votes sincerely or maliciously, that a mislynch can come from a good place, that a player's general performance says that one play does not make him scum. So because of all that, we individually decide and agree that our town, as a group, must be right when we claim we have confirmed town, and I choose to believe that NDMath, NorwegianboyEE, and you, votato, are confirmed town, even though I have explained why that is not a thing. So I have been making a lot of decisions to trust in this game, to analyze that which I have been presented, and there has been good and bad, and when I need to decide what is right or what I need to assume is true, do not come to me and accuse me of shitty scumtells when I do not bring shit to your door when you imagine you are above scrutiny and do not need to be pro-town. You cannot tell us who you abducted when you are dead, you horned ass.

In post 1752, popopopopopopo wrote:feel like ndmath is confirmed 100% no?

In post 1753, Madonna wrote:

In post 1751, votato wrote:oooh spiceyyyy

Devoid of content, scumtell.

In post 1752, popopopopopopo wrote:feel like ndmath is confirmed 100% no?

Yes and no. Two deaths happen every night. NDMath claiming to be vigilante explains it. There could be two mafia. That too would explain two deaths every night. There is no proof a second mafia exists, and no scum is going to come forward to helpfully explain that yes, there are two factions in the shadows. So then you would ask, why would NDMath claim vig if there are two scum, and you would say because NDMath is scum, and he is claiming vigilante to be town, and we are all fucked if this is true. So it is not true. Because it is 1) complicated and 2) relies on an amazing scumclaim and 3) that is not generally how the game works. So it is easier to say NDMath is confirmed town. Apply it with NorwegianboyEE, and nothing mechanical supports his claim, but we love him anyways (tm), confirmed town. Again with votato, I already explained this, it is acceptably true, so confirmed town. I wanted to explain I have weighed a lot of options, discarded things not deemed worthwhile, versus serving them up as a scum and insisting any of it a case. So to be called out on one agreeably non-essential post in a lull, not thrilled.

I have already voted, I have already shared my scumpool picks, still waiting on others to catch up, still waiting on votato to play his best town.

In post 835, popopopopopopo wrote:scumteam of Nahdia, midway, ABR, ?????


could it be that easy?