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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:54 am
by Frogsterking
In post 1535, Nosferatu wrote:LMFAO U DIDNT EVEN TRY TO MAKE AN EXCUSE
In post 1537, Nosferatu wrote:SHE CLAIMED ON THE POST RIGHT BEFORE U
In post 1575, Nosferatu wrote:VOTE: gamma
Why the change here from D2 - D3?

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:55 am
by Frogsterking
Did tayl0r's death somehow make you less suspicious of RCE?

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:07 am
by Titus
In post 1895, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1894, Titus wrote:
In post 1889, Frogsterking wrote:My FoS is Titus.
I am literally conftown.
Not literally
Yes. Unless you feel there were 4 scum, cfd cleared me by blocking me.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:52 am
by callforjudgement
A summary of what's non-public that we know, and why we know it:
  • Walter is a Friendly Neighbour, therefore Town. Multiple living players have received his messages, so this is effectively a modconfirmation and impossible to fake.
  • Titus was blocked from performing the nightkill last night, yet the kill went through anyway. Unless Titus is a Strongman, Roleblocker or Ascetic (all unlikely given other claims), she didn't perform the kill last night. Someone did, so someone other than Titus is scum (meaning that if this is 10:3, Titus is town).
  • It's been confirmed that someone is roleblocking. I have claimed to be doing the blocking, and nobody has counterclaimed. Thus, if it's 10:3, I must be doing the blocking (in a 9:4 setup I could hypothetically be covering for a buddy, but there would be no reason to do so).
  • I have claimed Alien (Combined Roleblocker+Rolestopper). I was able to deduce that Walter had targeted Titus before he told me, because I knew my roleblock on Titus would rolestop her as a side effect. This is evidence that I'm an Alien rather than some other type of blocking role, but it isn't completely conclusive because (if I were hypothetically a scum Roleblocker) I could have blocked Walter and then made a lucky guess about who he targeted. Even if I am an Alien, that fact doesn't directly prove my alignment.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:56 am
by callforjudgement
(There's also a fairly easy way to test for Titus being Ascetic: toNight, have Walter randomize between targeting Titus and targeting someone else, 50:50 each way. Then have Titus claim first on the subsequent Day. If she isn't Ascetic, she'll be able to tell whether she was targeted or not and will be able to determine whether the other player received Walter's message or not. If she is, she won't be able to tell and will have to guess. Walter's night action is no longer needed to confirm him, so this is probably the best use for it.)

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:02 am
by callforjudgement
@
Frogsterking
: I don't understand what two points you're trying to compare in #. I've looked at the two posts you've quoted and are trying to figure out what they have in common.

Is it the mention of Among Us? It's a Mafia dervative that has received a huge surge in popularity lately, so it isn't surprising that it might end up sucking away the time of a Mafia player or two.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:57 am
by Nosferatu
In post 1900, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1535, Nosferatu wrote:LMFAO U DIDNT EVEN TRY TO MAKE AN EXCUSE
In post 1537, Nosferatu wrote:SHE CLAIMED ON THE POST RIGHT BEFORE U
In post 1575, Nosferatu wrote:VOTE: gamma
Why the change here from D2 - D3?
gamma was even scummier

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:03 am
by Nosferatu
In post 1903, callforjudgement wrote:Unless Titus is a Strongman
, Roleblocker or Ascetic
(all unlikely given other claims)
what makes this unlikely?

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:19 am
by callforjudgement
It'd make my role almost entirely negative utility, up until the point where the Strongman died. So it would mean I would hurt town while town were losing, and help town while town were winning. That's not the sort of role interaction you typically want in a setup.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:34 am
by Nosferatu
so what does scum have as compensation for the town prs

just a tracker?

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:58 am
by Titus
In post 1909, Nosferatu wrote:so what does scum have as compensation for the town prs

just a tracker?
I think cfd is actually just scum. The Friendly Neighbors are designed to be innocent children, especially when neighbored with each other. There was likely meant to be some paranoia about the friendly neighbors due to them both having the same role and the PT cop. CFD's role would exist to make one of the Friendly Neighbor claims look fake.

Otherwise, I can't see what purpose an Alien has in the game. There's no vig. A jailkeeper would function almost similarly here.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:24 am
by Titus
It's either him or geratim. The VCs don't make sense otherwise.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:34 am
by callforjudgement
I'm assuming I'm an Alien, not a Jailkeeper, to make the setup a bit less townsided. There's a chance of randomly rolestopping the Role Cop or a Friendly Neighbour by mistake, thus toning down the power of the other town power roles. A Jailkeeper wouldn't do that.

Going the other way, if I were hypothetically scum, Alien would make the setup somewhat more scumsided, for exactly the same reason.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:47 am
by Titus
The point is rather moot anyway as town should not execute you until Elo plus one day.

We should just lynch geratim.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:39 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 1905, callforjudgement wrote:@
Frogsterking
: I don't understand what two points you're trying to compare in #. I've looked at the two posts you've quoted and are trying to figure out what they have in common.

Is it the mention of Among Us? It's a Mafia dervative that has received a huge surge in popularity lately, so it isn't surprising that it might end up sucking away the time of a Mafia player or two.
Yes you are correct in your assumption here and I respect your opinion.

I believe it means something that Gamma brought the same thing up later.

I think a scum might out an excuse for their in-game behavior that's similar to one another townie has used rather than their partner who is also under suspicion.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:40 pm
by Frogsterking
I'm less inclined to lynch Looker today for this reason.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:45 pm
by Frogsterking
@Nos

@Looker

Do you believe Gamma was the deep scum?

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:48 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 1916, Frogsterking wrote:@Nos

@Looker

Do you believe Gamma was the deep scum?
+ Do you think he was intending to die or win lylo?

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:57 pm
by Looker
So, tomorrow morning, I'm going to go through and re-evaluate possibilities with our confirmed town. Right now I can't remember which of you are in this game and which are in the other, but I'll prioritize this one more.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:58 pm
by Looker
UNVOTE:

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:14 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 460, Gamma Emerald wrote:ItalianoVD
callforjudgement
Gamma Emerald
BananaCucho
SJReaver

Not_Mafia
geraintm
Raya36
Frogsterking
Nosferatu

RCEnigma
sordros
WaltertheDunce10


also
VOTE: geraintm
it's not strong but the thing I called out earlier is the first thing in a while that's actively pinged me
In post 1289, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1279, ItalianoVD wrote:Anyone come to a similar conclusion about callforjudgment in ? Or am I off in this?
That’s not really part of my read on him at all

My heart and my gut say to townread cfj, but my head is telling me the few bits of potentially scummy behavior from him are worth pursuing
So I’d vote him around deadline but I’d rather listen to my gut vs. my head
In post 1733, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1719, callforjudgement wrote:Why would a townie even need to know Italiano's schedule? Either he's confirmed or he isn't (in this case, he's confirmed). So at this point, any further Friendly Neighbour actions he has are effectively Fruit Vendor actions (i.e. they're visible to the recipient but no additional information is gained); and seeing as he's confirmed, he can use them as he likes.

Knowing Italiano's schedule would only be useful to eliminate possibilities in which Italiano were scum, but those possibilities have been eliminated anyway.
I was mostly trying to get a sense of whether my thoughts were on track without asking the person I felt would have had the least motive to tell the truth (Walter, if he was scum).
In post 1754, Gamma Emerald wrote:I recall SRing Walter d1 but d2 he wasn't really a focal point for me at all
In post 1814, Gamma Emerald wrote:I've already claimed tracker, maybe trying reading the actual game instead of hopping immediately to VCA? I know you did this same thing of in Arbiter's Takeover so this doesn't look good on you.
I'm scumleaning walter, not sure on geraint, cfj I am thinking is scum rn
In post 1816, Gamma Emerald wrote:Walter is scum via setup spec, call is scum because I don't like how he's reacted to my questioning. Geraint I mostly have lost my handle on, I had a read on him earlier but don't feel as strongly about it now and have lost focus on that reasoning

And that doesn't change the fact this is the exact play you had in AT, and RCE wasn't exactly a towny slot to start with. You should be able to read at least a few things, rather than just being a total stick in the mud and forcing everyone else to walk you through the game. There's inherent scum advantage to that as well, as it let's you figure out the gamestate without having to put your mindset out there while doing so. In fact:
VOTE: Titus
This doesn't move until there's a good reason to vote someone else or you read at least enough of today to figure out what's going on.
Gamma acts more confused around reads on certain players and I believe those players are town.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:15 pm
by Frogsterking
Confused and conflicted I should say.

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:41 pm
by Frogsterking
A final question I have for everyone: Do you believe Gamma was really on tilt when he died?

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:54 pm
by Frogsterking
I'll wait for everyone to respond to my recent series of questions before outting my new FoS in ~24 hours

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:08 pm
by WaltertheDunce10
In post 1922, Frogsterking wrote:A final question I have for everyone: Do you believe Gamma was really on tilt when he died?
Possibly prob had realized outing as tracker was not the right move.