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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:15 am
by TheGoldenParadox
In post 1898, Menalque wrote: In post 1896, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
so convenient! a player who is guaranteed to be a power role claimed jailkeeper on a slot that is incredibly unlikely to be nightkilled, and no nightkills occured.
why am I so unlikely to be a NK, TGP
you've played with me
am I not a threat to scum?
you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:16 am
by petapan
In post 1899, TheGoldenParadox wrote:but i do think that i can look at someone's play and look at their position in the draft and what they have said to arrive at a reasonable conclusion
but you mostly seem to be not actually trying to sort people in the top part of the draft
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:16 am
by Something_Smart
Looking through your arguments the only thing that resonates with me is pointing out how incongruous
1369 is with the rest of TGP's trajectory.
It's a really awful post, and it reads like a bad excuse to jump on a mis-exe wagon. But I'm not convinced that scum-TGP would feel the need to jump on that wagon? DGB was self-destructing.
So I think it looks bad, but it feels mostly just bad and not scummy, unless TGP's scumgame is so incompetent that he wouldn't realize jumping on a mis-exe that you were previously defending looks bad (and I doubt it is).
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:18 am
by Menalque
In post 1900, TheGoldenParadox wrote:you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on
none of those people hardclaimed cop tho
and also, why is it implausible that either (1) scum!infinity freaked out and wanted me dead after D1 or (2) that the doc got a save on uncrowned/skitt on the same night I was JK'd?
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:18 am
by Menalque
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:19 am
by TheGoldenParadox
i mean, weird times and all.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:19 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1848, Menalque wrote:I mean, it doesn't have to be this way if y'all choose not for it to be
Well, obviously. My point was just that I think it's highly unlikely that enough people would come around to townreading you strongly enough to drop pressure on you entirely.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:19 am
by TheGoldenParadox
yes absolutely
those two scum are pp and hoopla
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:20 am
by Menalque
so scum... intentionally nuke their chances of having good PRs... allowing them to be caught or eliminated by town having a BOUNTY of PRs... for some WIFOM... that evaporates in usefulness the second one of them gets caught/tracked/whatever, or they just get PoE'd? that's what you're saying you think scum did in the draft phase?
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:21 am
by TheGoldenParadox
In post 1903, Menalque wrote: In post 1900, TheGoldenParadox wrote:you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on
none of those people hardclaimed cop tho
and also, why is it implausible that either (1) scum!infinity freaked out and wanted me dead after D1 or (2) that the doc got a save on uncrowned/skitt on the same night I was JK'd?
i mean i don't think it's likely that you're actually a cop
and don't you commonly lolclaim
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:22 am
by Menalque
In post 1906, Something_Smart wrote: In post 1848, Menalque wrote:I mean, it doesn't have to be this way if y'all choose not for it to be
Well, obviously. My point was just that I think it's highly unlikely that enough people would come around to townreading you strongly enough to drop pressure on you entirely.
give me time friend
we can do a rerun of anuket topaz where almost everyone is TRing me by the end of today and then one slot stubbornly insists it's me tomorrow in spite of the wealth of evidence to the contrary, at which point we can speed elim me while I'm not around and I can go and be salty about how obvtown I was in dead thread and root for the scumteam
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:23 am
by Menalque
In post 1909, TheGoldenParadox wrote: In post 1903, Menalque wrote: In post 1900, TheGoldenParadox wrote:you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on
none of those people hardclaimed cop tho
and also, why is it implausible that either (1) scum!infinity freaked out and wanted me dead after D1 or (2) that the doc got a save on uncrowned/skitt on the same night I was JK'd?
i mean i don't think it's likely that you're actually a cop
and don't you commonly lolclaim
why should scum think that's unlikely tho
especially when there's a game very recently where a player toward the bottom end of the draft rolled cop
and I do, yes, but I also make my real claims look like lolclaims sometimes to fuck with scum
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:24 am
by TheGoldenParadox
In post 1908, Menalque wrote:so scum... intentionally nuke their chances of having good PRs... allowing them to be caught or eliminated by town having a BOUNTY of PRs... for some WIFOM... that evaporates in usefulness the second one of them gets caught/tracked/whatever, or they just get PoE'd? that's what you're saying you think scum did in the draft phase?
there aren't that many PRs that are incredibly powerful for scum in any case, and i think hoopla pp and you would that gamble
it explains why dgb got the vig slot
it explains them choosing informed instead of multitasking
it explains hoopla's weird interactions with PP and her entire 4s thing
the scumteam is hoopla penguin and menal
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:25 am
by Something_Smart
That would be rude, Taly's not even in the game
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:25 am
by TheGoldenParadox
In post 1911, Menalque wrote: In post 1909, TheGoldenParadox wrote: In post 1903, Menalque wrote: In post 1900, TheGoldenParadox wrote:you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on
none of those people hardclaimed cop tho
and also, why is it implausible that either (1) scum!infinity freaked out and wanted me dead after D1 or (2) that the doc got a save on uncrowned/skitt on the same night I was JK'd?
i mean i don't think it's likely that you're actually a cop
and don't you commonly lolclaim
why should scum think that's unlikely tho
especially when there's a game very recently where a player toward the bottom end of the draft rolled cop
and I do, yes, but I also make my real claims look like lolclaims sometimes to fuck with scum
because you're near the bottom of the draft and cop is a commonly taken role
yes i know you do (our last game) but hypothetically if you were town, scum wouldn't know that
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:27 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1865, lilith2013 wrote:JV in particular was like "oh is there a red check? I didn't see. where's the red check?"
Oh yeah this is a good point. If Menalque flips scum that post has a lot of partner equity.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:27 am
by Menalque
objection, I wasn't in the game when the decision would have been taken
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:30 am
by Menalque
In post 1914, TheGoldenParadox wrote:because you're near the bottom of the draft and cop is a commonly taken role
yes i know you do (our last game) but hypothetically if you were town, scum wouldn't know that
is it actually taken that commonly in practice? I haven't run the actual numbers or looked at the games
and I mean... if you're scum, scum would know that?
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:30 am
by Menalque
In post 1915, Something_Smart wrote: In post 1865, lilith2013 wrote:JV in particular was like "oh is there a red check? I didn't see. where's the red check?"
Oh yeah this is a good point. If Menalque flips scum that post has a lot of partner equity.
can't tell if this is a joke post or not
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:32 am
by Something_Smart
Why not?
I'm definitely considering it. Menalque is a strong player, and not many people expressed a scumread of him before today.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:37 am
by Something_Smart
It's not a joke, though I'm only talking about that one post (
1544) and not JV overall.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:40 am
by Menalque
wasn't sure because I had that series of posts with lilith talking about how my interactions with JV are absolutely nothing like what they'd look like if we were scum together, but are exactly what they'd look like if I were scum trying to set up an innocent JV to go down after me
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:42 am
by skitter30
In post 1868, lilith2013 wrote:actually skitter seems to not be considering at all that you could have been the NK target
Nah it's a semi-viable universe, but still doesnt fit with my reads entirely:
Like my thought process was: what if mena was the nk last night -> what did lilith do last night -> if she's town she blocked the nk -> if she's scum wtf is she claiming even
If town and she blocked the nk -> like idk it just doesnf *fit* with the gamestate i'm seeing
Like Idk who tries to nk him here. I know it wasnt me. If you're scum i think you try for me over mena. Idk if ss goes out of his way to do that. And if scum doesnt have one of those people listed just above on the team, mena is a *super random* nk
This is kinda my thought process ^
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 am
by skitter30
Kinda curious to hear them
Bleh more i wanna say, tonight tho ^
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:44 am
by Menalque
