Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)

[Starbuck]

Sorry, busy weekend.

There really should be weekend rules in every game imho.

[Haylen]

Haylen doesnt post weekends usually o.o

Anywho, I would like to hear from everyone who they think they last two scum are at this point.

[mykonian]

I'll promis you something tomorrow, because if I don't do it then, you wouldn't get anything from me for a week.

mod, I won't have any internet access during easter (from thursday evening till tuesday)

[zoraster]

due to easter and passover, I'll extend the deadline to a week from Friday.

The Deadline is now April 9th at 12:00 EDT.

[Phate]

Haylz: CSL and myk.

[CSL]

Phate, let's just kill myk. This game is won. Only need, what, two more votes?

[Phate]

See, posts like that make me more sure it's you than that it's myk. It could still be you/snail.

[mykonian]

CSL: interaction with other players.

Wow, I'm not done with the 12th page yet, and I go to this page, and see that. That's one of the biggest slips I have seen in my life!

Vote: mykonian

@ mykonian: quoting would've done MORE harm.

unvote

The vote has served it's purpose.

CSL was doing rereading, then saw something Plum found (but questioned, and she didn't vote me for that), and he voted, without giving more information.

Could be distancing, could be grasping an opportunity (I'm trying to stay neutral ) But I believe CSL's distancing would have been more gradual, in stead of an vote/unvote structure that was going to make him scummy anyway.

A snail or a fish lynch is good enough. I can't count how many scummy things there are in there.

Vote: evilsnail

PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE SCUM:

evilsnail - Scummy posts
Fishy - See above
Raskol - Not here.
Albert B. Rampage - Not scumhunting enough
elvis_knits - Meta

PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE TOWN:

DGB - Excellent scumhunting
pops - 'Nuff said
Ojanen (Leading Neutral) - Lack of scumslips/tells
(I really can't find anything else)

His placing of pops, and of Evilsnail makes me doubt evilsnail is his buddy.

L-2...

Vote: pops

I agree to my teleporting. I really don't care.

(I thought it should be here, although it technically isn't between the players still in the game)

Vote: mykonian

evilsnail is a null-read. mykonian won't be.

Actually, I don't know about myko anymore. I get the feeling SpyreX is trying to bus someone.

unvote

Elli is U2 town. I read U2, and my scumdar didn't tick. All he's done is scumhunt.

His posts won't tick here either, I predict.

Second time he does this. vote/unvote

SpyreX, because he saw myko as scum, and I fail to see why.

SpyreX, why did you think myko was scum?

?

Come to think of it, why the HELL is evilsnail still alive?

Vote: Evilsnail

I will be happy with a lynch of you three (myko, SpyreX, evil)

If myko or SpyreX flip town, the other one is scum. If evil is town, both must be scum. Vice versa applies.

Don't ask why, it's just a gut read.

SpyreX flipped town. Myko is scum according to logic.

Vote: myko

unvote

This requires something.

Myko, evilsnail:

post the cases everyone has on you. It'll make things easier.

This will tell me who to vote...

...

Vote: Snail

FoS: myko

3rd time. :/

Vote: mykonian

GUT read. Don't ask.

Also, L-2 warning.

Phate, let's just kill myk. This game is won. Only need, what, two more votes?

This is the 3rd time he names Gayle/Phate in this thread. Phate, who thinks CSL is scum. The other 2 times were @gayle's, answering a question.

If CSL is scum, I doubt he is my, or Evil's buddy.

[mykonian]

The fact that you chose me out of the four people that have posted since game start without voting is interesting---those being myself, mykonian, DGB, Ojanen.

Any particular reason for that?

Well, I felt like, in 109 (quoted below), you were sorta drumming up support for the Gayle wagon without committing to it. That can be a scum move. I mean, there were only like three votes on Gayle at the time, so there's no reason to withhold it.

Semi defending gayle?

Btw, mykonian, what are

your

scum tells?

<3 mykonian & farside

if I weren't mykonian, I would think I was his buddy.

Well, it seems that ABR is going to get lynched.

Unvote; Vote: ABR

This is awful.

Unvote, Vote: CSL

he later vote Fishy again.

a point against Evilsnail is that he is quite active in a mini (at least, I see his name there quite often as last post), while there is little action here.

FoS Evilsnail.

Eh, some games require little thought, while others have 43 pages to sift through.

I don't mind pops's justification for his CSL vote so much, even though I'm not a huge fan of policy lynches. The observation that there was no "obvscum" struck me as strange, though. There's plenty of people making cases. Heck, there's a bandwagon on me that people seem to like. By making these wagons out to be non-existent or weak, he's basically making the reasoning behind his vote out to be weaker than it is.

Too bad Fishy and Evilsnail didn't use all that time they spent arguing to hunt far more obvious scum: "Lurk and Lie" CSL,"Wagon Hop" Pops, and "Respond to everything with a flurry of misleading arguments" Myko.

The people voting evilsnail for Elli's point are being ridiculous. Why do you guys keep going for this "scumslip" nonsense? Elli made a similar point about Jack, and look what happened. Please don't lynch over such a stupid reason.

I like this post, and not just because of the point about me. Scum-Gayle has no real reason to tie herself to three wagons that clearly. It could really come back to haunt her.

Pops's response to Ojanen seems off. Considering that pops is pursuing a policy lynch on CSL and not making a case on anyone himself, dismissing all available cases out of hand is really unproductive. Also, I think Ojanen made some fair points about Rhinox's play. I read over pops's ISO and she hasn't contributed real cases in a long time (which I realise now some players have been pointing out for a while). I don't know how this measures up to pops's meta, but it is certainly not helping us.

I feel this is too strong a move to be on his buddy.

I can get behind a pops lynch today, especially if CSL gets teleported to U2.

Evilsnail

, why are you on Fishy?

I've had a gut feeling about him since about halfway through Day 1, from his discussion of a slip you made. And the way he jumped on my wagon earlier today was unconvincing to me. He's a very reasonable player, so he doesn't trip up that clearly.

I still like a pops lynch today. Won't vote yet, because I think he's at L-1, but I will hammer if nothing changes.

Unvote, Vote: CSL

after the claim.

Unvote, Vote: pops

Awesome.

and for the lynch

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On this point, I think Evil is scum, with CSL, and around the pop's lynch, we had 2 wagons on scum.

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I don't like how you all are acting like Hoopla is confirmed scum. Especially evilsnail, who just tacks a vote for Hoopla onto the bottom of an otherwise unrelated post.

Like my vote is really that different from, say, fishy's?

I don't see myself voting anyone but Hoopla at this point. I don't think there are many good Mafia A candidates left. I can buy Raskol and Hoopla as pops's scumbuddies, but outside of that only really maybe myko or fishy. I am getting a pretty solid pro-town vibe from most of the other players. Combine that with the scumslip and Hoopla's got to go.

but hoopla was town.

I have skipped Evil's votecount analysis.

@Evil: I want gut. 3 suspects. 1 line on why.

Fishy: his pops vote looked like a bus, regardless of the fact that it steered attention away from my wagon. And he was late to the ABR wagon, which seems to mostly have been town-driven.
To be honest, Raskol, gayle, myko, ojanen, CSL all seem town to me. Making me think the last scum is either Plum or Rhinox.

Of the U2 players: Elli seems town to me, Haylen scummy. Don't have a real reason for this other than gut. Dunno about Starbuck yet.

Further, those groups were made on what the total group agrees on, meaning that fishy (evil's suspect, but towny according to the rest; ojanen, neutral for myko, town for the rest; CSL, mostly considered town, but with doubts about heavy bussing) are left out because the big majority agrees on them being likely town. The more people agree on it, the more likely it is right (there is a big amount of townies that agrees on it).

I don't think I'm suspicious of fishy any more. He's giving me way too much leeway. He has enough material to make a case on me and make it stick a few times over.

I've been rethinking this game a little, sorting out my reads into strong town reads and weak ones. At this point, I think fishy, gayle, myko, Ojanen and Elli are likely town. CSL I think is probably town too, but only on the basis of pops's behaviour. The rest I'm not so sure about.

He finally stops suspecting fishy. He was practically the only one doing this. Further, he keeps everyone as town. I can't do a lot with this post, for that reason.

Atm, I think it's either CSL or SpyreX. I'm starting to reconsider my conclusion that pops's behaviour made CSL likely town, because I don't see very convincing scum elsewhere. CSL's behaviour at least fits scum and I can see a clever pops-scum pushing a policy lynch on their scumbuddy.

CSL needs to answer this:

I'm a bit surprised by CSL's vote. CSL, you said I was a null-read earlier today. What's changed?

@SpyreX: Ojanen's point was mainly that pops calling out CSL as his scum read until the end was a risky play and that there was a CSL counter-wagon after the claim. I don't see how this as very strong evidence that CSL is town. Pops knew he wasn't going to be able to teleport, so why not bus in this last statement. It wasn't like we have any evidence the CSL counterwagon after the fake claim was scum-driven.

I really don't like SpyreX's use of deflection in the above exchange with myko.

@myko: Well, I've been suspicious of CSL since the end of D1, which might be why I have trouble shaking the feeling that he's scum. Also, I don't think we should underestimate pops.

There is a difference between pointing out that I still think CSL is a good lynch and stressing how scummy this is.

Hmm.. I went and read the bit where myko backs off his Day 3 vote of me and I guess it wasn't as townie-ish as I thought. As I've said previously, I think both you and fishy are town in part because you've both been very wishy-washy on me, when you needn't have been. Myko sorta did something similar earlier today, here:

I should reread The raskol case is old. Evil is still interesting, but his admitting his scummy things makes me worry. I still have a no-read on Ojanen.

But actually he was already voting SpyreX at this point and the comment mostly repeats what fishy and you have said. So maybe it wasn't as significant as I thought.

I'm starting to re-evaluate my town read on myko.

Here the next case forms.

I will be happy with a lynch of you three (myko, SpyreX, evil)

If myko or SpyreX flip town, the other one is scum. If evil is town, both must be scum. Vice versa applies.

Don't ask why, it's just a gut read.

Eh.. forget what I said earlier. CSL is town. This isn't scum-play.

and here he gets off CSL

It just feels very town. It doesn't make any sense. So I'm back to my original conclusion that CSL is town. I guess my thoughts about this game are kinda all over the place at the moment. I'm also getting a very strong feeling that I was completely wrong about myko and that he's scum at the moment, which I can't really explain very well.

@CSL: There are two cases on me, I suppose. The first, from Day 2, was largely built on my inactivity. I feel like I've compensated for that since by becoming more active, though. The second case, from Day 3, is based on my interaction with pops. I was a bit ambivalent about the pops wagon, so I ended up staying off it. Also, I voted CSL after the fake claim.

My order of preference at the moment: myko > Phate > CSL > fishy.

I think that regardless of what we do, we should try to have U2 lynch first anyway. Once that game is over, we should have more info to go on.

I'm still inclined to think myko is the right lynch today, though his posts today give me a definite townie feeling. This is bothering me a little.

That's the basis for your vote? After like 70 pages of a game? Now

that

is a scum tell.

FYI, I just posted that right after I saw the NK without thinking and then started reading ISOs to see how it affects my reads. I'm pretty sure now it's you and Phate. I have a probably solid town read on CSL. I'll plan to go into more detail about this when I have more time (should be soon).

as a reaction on my vote. I think on this moment we can rule out a Evilsnail/myko pairing: what some of you have been thinking. OMGUS, at this time, is seriously unlogical between scum.

And what the hell,

Vote: mykonian

, because it's pretty obvious at this point that you're scum. Your vote on me today is terrible. You have been very inconsistent about the case on me, while never committing yourself to a real town read (like fishy or ojanen). If you at least pretended your vote today was mostly PoE, I would maybe buy it, but it's pretty clear now that I'm just an easy lynch target. We should have lynched you instead of SpyreX. I should have followed through with my gut read then.

I think an Evil-CSL pairing is the most likely from this point of view. Evil is scum, I'm sure of that.

[mykonian]

While it is indeed not very usefull to find scum, since they can talk with it just as easily, it is important to think about the setup you are playing in. I hope we agree that it is important to find the best strategy for the town first, and then lynch?

I wasn't saying that we should have never discussed strategy, I was arguing that
1, we had already laid out the strategies
2, we had already laid out the flaws with each strategy
3, town's decision has no bearing on what the teleporter will do.

Now, I do realize that the strategy we have settled on wasn't proposed until sometime after I called for an end to the discussion.

By post 147, Flareonage is seriously looking scummy

Why is Flareonage looking scummy? I've had some games with him and this is nothing out of character for him or his fellow Onage Clan members.

@Gayle: the strategy discussion has wound down, and people have reads and stuff like that. Any comments on the game, now your easy excuse for active lurking has gone?

Ugh, I like how I've been accused of actively lurking twice when I haven't even had a chance to do so. I'm sorry I went to sleep last night and didn't participate in your strategy back and forth that lead to absolutely zero scum hunting.

What am I supposed comment on? The strategy discussion? 'Cause aside from a question from Myko and attacks on myself, that is all that has happened. I don't find farside22's or DGB's replies to Myko's question scummy at all. I would probably have given the same type of answer. I think pop's attack on Flareonage was silly, but that is probably because I've played games with Flareonage before.

</bitterness>

-I need to re-read Raskol, but I think some good points have been brought up against him.

-Myko's "I agree!"+vote. This is always suspicious. Myko did a little questioning of Raskol earlier, but didn't vote him until the bandwagon picked up some steam.

Excuse me, why the fuck does myko's "scumslip" make Plum town? Also, I disagree that Myko's slip was "SCUMTELL OF THE CENTURY", though some of the comments in his follow up posts are a bit more suspect. CSL, might I ask if his slip is your sole reason for voting him?

It is difficult keeping up with you guys. Joining a large theme game with most players entirely more experienced than me and with

two

universes probably wasn't the brightest idea. But let me see if I understand the cases:

Raskol is scum because he questioned me but did not vote for me.
DGB is scum because her play and votes are erratic, and she constantly refers to other players as town.
CSL is scum because he hasn't been around, appeared suddenly to vote, and then quickly unvoted.
EK is scum because ... I don't know, why is EK scum?
Myko is scum because he said "town" instead of "scum" and made a suggestion of using teleports to keep the peace.
ABR is scum because he hasn't really done anything at all.

I don't know what to think about DGB. Myko is constantly kicking himself in the mouth and I can't decide whether that is scummy or not. I would probably be willing to vote ABR, but really I think he can be given a bit more time to start playing seriously. Until then...

I think CSL might require a policy lynch. He posts very briefly for the entirety of any games he plays.

Though I'm up for a CSL policy lynch when anyone else is.

...I think I'll stick with the tried and true scumtells.


@DGB: You said scum is "less likely to take a stance and more likely to spread the suspicion thinly". Is Farside's last post guilty of this?

Also, Rhinox, I am deeply offended that of all those quotes in your post, mine was the only one you declined to attach a name to. As is common knowledge, this is a very terrible and dire insult, and I assure you that I will have my vengeance some day soon. I would sleep with the lights on if I were you.

Taking a look at the DGB Wagon.
-Myko votes DGB for "fabricating evidence", after DGB attacks him.
-ABR votes DGB for meta reasons and then comes up with more reasons later.
-pops votes DGB for meta, after saying he prefers an Elvis lynch.

I can understand farside and fishy's votes, but not these three.

As annoying as DGB's play might be, I think she is town, as evidenced by her outright refusal to change the way she plays no matter how scummy anyone might find it.

@ Gayle: Lot of his posts were scummy.

A lot of your posts are scummy.

Vote: CSL

@pops:

ABR is scum if none of

your

targets flip scum?


Also, changing my vote to

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

He is accusing DGB of a lack of scumhunting, when he is just as guilty. Worse, attacking her has been the only thing he has done the entire game. Adding to that, he now refuses to answer questions because "priority goes to lynching scum". Myko was right. One of them has got to go. I'd wager ABR is the scum.

ABR is going to ignore my request, apparently.

I'm good with a lynch of ABR, CSL, or Pops.

The most suspect votes on the wagon were Pops, CSL, Myko, Fishy. These four pretty much voted ABR for no reason other than he was already going down. All of them except CSL were also on the DGB wagon. All of them also made other questionable votes day 1 (Fishy to a lesser extent).

My thoughts on who is scum, from most likely to least: Pops > CSL > Myko > Fishy.

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On this moment, I have no idea why I am doing this. Gayle was one of the big reasons pops got lynched, and you can see it here. If, it gayle is scum, Evilsnail is the biggest chance for scum, I think. He almost didn't use Evil's name (I got to ISO 56)

[mykonian]

I have only been reassured in my thinking that Evil is scum. Together with the cases I linked earlier this day, and his OMGUS vote here (since he didn't understand that I was voting him for more then one post. Really?), I am sure Evil must be our lynch here.

[mykonian]

Edit, and lets not forget his Fishy case. I would ask you to ISO evil, there is more that just doesn't seem right.

[CSL]

Nice of you to go pick on an obvtown player, scumkonian.

Enough. Lynch him. Now. If you get the unfortunate lluck to be town, in which I doubt, then Evil will hang.

I will tell you right now that I am not scum. Get me off of that equation, or you will be even more of scum.

[mykonian]

It looks more like DRK. If DRK flips town, then Haylen is U2 Scum. If DRK and Haylen flip town, then by PoE, spring's replacement is obvscum.

Does that make sense? (Of course, if DRK goes scum, we then lynch Evil?)

Am I doing this right, or am I missing something?

This was the last time you mentioned Evil. Thank you for proving me right, CSL.

[CSL]

And I now remember saying that. Thanks for proving me wrong.

Unvote; Vote: evilsnail

More on this later. Right now, I have to get my ass to school.

[evilsnail]

I have only been reassured in my thinking that Evil is scum. Together with the cases I linked earlier this day, and his OMGUS vote here (since he didn't understand that I was voting him for more then one post. Really?), I am sure Evil must be our lynch here.

It's totally unfair to call it OMGUS. I'm voting you because you're acting today as if the cases on me are very damning when you didn't yesterday. You haven't done anything to justify my believing in that change of heart. Instead, you're just pretending it didn't happen. This is making me believe that you just think I'm an easy lynch target because these cases are out there and that they're not genuine beliefs you hold.

[mykonian]

I have changed my opinion about you only once. That was from the start of the game, to later. I have doubted my read mutliple times. I guess that means you are quite good as scum, but calling you an easy lynch is completely wrong.

There are cases on you, and they are there for a reason (unless you think they are wrong), and, because I know that those cases are mostly about recent events, some points against you are not in there, but can be found just by reading your iso. This was why I asked people to read that, and I'm sure you would agree with people making their own opinion about you, right?

[Phate]

Nice of you to go pick on an obvtown player, scumkonian.

Enough. Lynch him. Now. If you get the unfortunate lluck to be town, in which I doubt, then Evil will hang.

I will tell you right now that I am not scum. Get me off of that equation, or you will be even more of scum.

It looks more like DRK. If DRK flips town, then Haylen is U2 Scum. If DRK and Haylen flip town, then by PoE, spring's replacement is obvscum.

Does that make sense? (Of course, if DRK goes scum, we then lynch Evil?)

Am I doing this right, or am I missing something?

his was the last time you mentioned Evil. Thank you for proving me right, CSL.

And I now remember saying that. Thanks for proving me wrong.

Unvote; Vote: evilsnail

More on this later. Right now, I have to get my ass to school.

CSL: "Myk, you're obvscum and evil is obvtown. But what the hell, lynch him, I don't care. I dare you. Oh, and if you say I'm scum, you're scum."

mykonian: "That's not what you said before..."

CSL: "OH YEAH. Yeah, disregard my last post, vote evilsnail, and I g2g."

Happy with my vote.

[DTMaster]

vote csl

[CSL]

Well, I have returned. Now, to ISO evilsnail.

(For your information, I DO go to school.)

[Haylen]

Computer issues.

[Haylen]

oh hai guys.

Vote CSL

[CSL]

Grrrrr....

Lynch Evilsnail tomorrow. If he's town, then mykonian will die.

Good luck, town.

unvote; Vote: CSL

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Haylen]

Why the hell did you do that?

[CSL]

ScumSnail would've hammered me.