Goofbash Invitational (Game Over)

[tanstalas]

Fair enough.

Oh, almost forgot. tanstalas, dramonic, do either of you have a role to claim?

Yeah. Vanilla

[Mina]

Thanks. Can you please answer all my questions when you find the time?

Oh, another--what do you think of the town tells I mentioned from IC?

[Katsuki]

Checking in, still alive.

Leaving Mina to anguish over this game~

[Faraday]

uh the fuck that's a lot of questions

[Mina]

Gee,

thanks

, Katsuki. <_<

I take it you aren't very attached to your scum read on IC, to the point that I can ignore it and make my own decision, right?

Faraday, it's MYLO. Every bit of information counts in my final decision.

If you don't do what I say, I just might turn on you and lose the game for your faction. That's means I can force you guys to write aaaaaaaaall the words I want. MWAHAHAHAHA!

*cracks whip*

Dance my puppets, dance!

[Faraday]

I hate you right now >_>

Spoiler: MINA

1) Say you were scum and faked a vengeful role. Say you were town and faked a vengeful role. I then posted that the 100% winning strategy was to lynch you to test your claim. How would you react in each situation?(aagh...I'm going to hate myself if I caught IC by logic, but then let my gut override the evidence. Admittedly, the Fate, Kise, and TBM NKs make perfect sense for them.)

I would not fake vengeful as scum, I'd fake cop or vig or something that guarantees a powerful counterclaim or saves me a day. If I did? I'd probably try and persuade you that leaving it till Lylo is more beneficial as scum, saying that if scum don't kill us then we get 2 bites at the cherry tomorrow which is more optimal.

2) So both of you are known for having very accurate reads, right? Why were your top scum reads TheButtonmen, SensFan, Minineko, and tans (alignment unknown)? Why did Faraday say earlier that he was happy with his reads this game?

omg don't put burder of proficency on me, that's annoying >_>! Because if I lose the game over some sort of burder of proficeny argument I might just cry. Also I think my reads have been poor in certain cases recently and I'm inconsistent at the best of times. But yes, glad you admit you like my reads in general wheeee ^_^.

3) Why did you push for a Minineko hammer yesterday, rather than go along with a plan to use his bodyguard ability? Weren't you guys most suspicious of tans earlier?

Your plan centred on the fact that he'd die via NK, if not he was getting lynched. There were holes in your plan, specifically I was afraid it'd leave Mini alive in Lylo and considering he was my top suspect I wanted him dead. Actually, I'd have been exstatic to keep him alive for Lylo mislynch bait as scum, I could outargue him and outword him with ease. All scum had to do was to kill someone non bg'd to frame him.

And see below: but I was pretty sure it had to be mini by the end of yesterday.

4) Why didn't you mention that you thought tans was likely town for his outburst until VitaminR and I brought it up? Before then, you acted as though you thought he was scum in your interactions with him.

Um, what? I

unvoted

him after our back and forth. And we had a vote on Mini when you said this : this. I unvoted here. If you're talking about something else can you like quote it or something, I remember most of the game but when something may have happened more than once it can get confusing. I don't get HOW you're thinking I thought he was scum when we were voting Mini and I'd unvoted Tans. It's not like I'd be prone to changing my mind, but he dropped so many dumb tells i found it hard to believe he was town.

5) Why did you call tans' reads terrible if you thought he was scum?

I dunno. When was this? Like as in, before or after I unvoted?
Fakedit:
Here? um, we were voting mini at this stage and 'leading the town to victory', that's why. I didn't actually think tans was scum.

6) To both of you: are you shameless and dishonest enough to have reacted the way you did to my vezok comment were you scum, in order to play to your win condition? Do you believe faking that reaction WOULD have been shameless and dishonest?

Uh, I am ridiculously shameless as scum, though. You know that. I don't think I could fake the reaction that I had. Like I generally try to avoid going for that sort of thing as scum as I don't think I can make it sound like town faraday when frustrated, just because my brand of frustration is...sometimes peculiar. I'd probably just uh, try and charm you out of your plan as scum and hope it works?

On a completely unrelated note:

would you like a song?

7) Faraday, why haven't you trolled or deliberately been unhelpful so as to fish for reactions this game?

I am unused to being suspected. It literally never happens in any serious capacity, or hasn't in ages, and I don't understand what I've done wrong this game that has led people to think I'm scum. It's really fucking frustrating. Well the vengeful WAS to fish for reactions, but I don't know. I think being on the back foot the whole game has probably meant i've played different. I mean even answering these questions feels weird, I wish I was obvtown enough that these questions weren't necessary

8) Another one for Faraday: on D1, you answered my accusation that you looked halfhearted by saying you were apathetic to Mafia in general. Why did you not replace out or lurk in any other games you were playing at the time? Why didn't you ever tell me on AIM that you were apathetic with Mafia? Why was this something that came up miraculously out of the blue in this game?

This was the only game I wasn't hydraing in, I think. I've noticed lately I tend to get slightly bored/apathetic if I'm not hydra'ing which is kinda terrible but. Also I really hadn't expected this game to start near as soon, i think i remember saying that to you before role pm's went out. I've no idea as to why I didn't mention it on AIM in general though. oh, test of faith was on at the time too and i hated that game and basically phoned in no effort all of day 3/game until benmage attacked me

Hey, Faraday, your V/LA is over. Where are you? Why haven't you posted your VCA, yet? Hey...come to think of it, when do you even LIKE VCA?

Playing marathon games with no cases > reading through tans/dram's other peoples iso's. I'm here though. And come on, I'm never going to do VCA, ew. Reck already asked me to help him try and see what it means and I basically told him 'pretty colours'. Working on it, I'm not used to cases/this sort of thing but it seemed the best way to weigh up lylo

[Faraday]

Gee,

thanks

, Katsuki. <_<

I take it you aren't very attached to your scum read on IC, to the point that I can ignore it and make my own decision, right?

Faraday, it's MYLO. Every bit of information counts in my final decision.

If you don't do what I say, I just might turn on you and lose the game for your faction. That's means I can force you guys to write aaaaaaaaall the words I want. MWAHAHAHAHA!

*cracks whip*

Dance my puppets, dance!

you are such a terrible person

[Faraday]

Hmm Mina, you know on Day 1 when I fakeclaimed vengeful

Well:
How many snakes would have to be in your bedroom before you say, "Okay, this is too many snakes." I'm trying to work it out when reading your ISO and I just can't.

[Faraday]

oh do you want all the vc's posted with colours and stuff, it's already done in the google doc so if you want all the vc's in thread i can post them in a spoiler i guess

[Faraday]

6) Why should we clear you as scum and not IC, who was on the Blackberry and Nikanor wagons?

point: we defended nikanor to the death. do you mean abr?

[Faraday]

missed this:

Why did Faraday say earlier that he was happy with his reads this game?

because it's not nice to admit to myself i might have had poor reads? i managed to push/help push the abr lynch the day we unclaimed when people were salivating over a mini lynch for being unhelpful. i also wasn't willing to let bb off with lol faking a guilty. yeah my reads haven't been that great but i don't think they've been outright horribly bad

bleh stop bringing up my reads so much , it's not nice to get LOOK YOU WERE WRONG HERE HERE AND HERE getting rubbed in your face

[Mina]

Sorry, Faraday, my fault re: #4. I forgot the timing of your unvote. And yes, I meant ABR, not Nikanor.

It couldn't hurt to post the votecounts if they're already formatted, but I'm not good with that kind of thing.

Oh, a couple more things:

I am unused to being suspected. It literally never happens in any serious capacity, or hasn't in ages, and I don't understand what I've done wrong this game that has led people to think I'm scum. It's really fucking frustrating. Well the vengeful WAS to fish for reactions, but I don't know. I think being on the back foot the whole game has probably meant i've played different. I mean even answering these questions feels weird, I wish I was obvtown enough that these questions weren't necessary

What about in

Malazan

, in which you were lynched?

Um, Mina there's stuff I want to say but I don't think I should.

Do you want me to say it anyway? It concerns the bottom of 1782.

Can you elaborate? Why didn't you want to reveal that there were holes in my plan?

FTR, here's a spoiler:

I think Irish Carbomb is town.

But it's MYLO, so I'm trying to be thorough as possible.

And no cheating. You have to wait for the GTKAS thread to be updated in three months like everyone else.

[Mina]

Oh, and Reck, do you have anything to add to Faraday's answers? (I apologize for directing most of my posts to Faraday--I just have much more experience with his meta.) Most relevant are those about your vengeful claim.

Faraday, don't you have any paranoid niggling doubts about me? Maybe I'm pulling another Malazan. Maybe you should be putting me through the ringer, too.

...Hey, I've got an idea. Let's just lynch whichever of dramonic and tanstalas is the last to give full answers to all my questions! Who's with me?

[Faraday]

I'm on my phone so can't quote or read the spoiler. I remember malzan- please explain how anything is similar. I was fucking obvtown until the day i was lynched. I mean then on that day i got really annoyed andrefused to vote counterwagon. If you want the last time i was ever underthreat of lynch as town it's a long time ago. You can check my wiki but i think it was succession. Oh or test of faith versus ben. You had another question but i forget it. Apologies for the poor formatting

[Mina]

I could tell you...but I'd prefer to make that spoiler tag drive you mad with the pressure. What horrible thing might I have said about you behind your back? You'll never know...well, until you get to a computer. There's an invisible sword hanging over your head.

...okay, I'm sorry. No one should ever let me into a LYLO or MYLO situation again. It brings out the worst in me. I'm only torturing you because you're the only one online. You can save the actual question until you get to a computer.

This would be much easier if my actual suspects showed up.

[Mina]

EBWOP: *other questions, not actual questions.

Okay, I vow not to post for at least three hours. If you see me here, kick me out.

[Faraday]

Lol i had to quote your whole post to see the spoiler. Okay so here's the thing what's the point in pointing out the flaws if we use it or don't use it. Also i tried to psychicly communicate the plan flaws but you must have been asleep. Basically if we weren't lynching mini and he was scum the flaws didn't matter. If he wasn't what good does pointing them out do? Considering from my point of view it's possible the other 2 would miss it.

[Faraday]

EBWOP: *other questions, not actual questions.

Okay, I vow not to post for at least three hours. If you see me here, kick me out.

go read a book or something

back on a computer now anyway

[Faraday]

Faraday, don't you have any paranoid niggling doubts about me? Maybe I'm pulling another Malazan.

Maybe you should be putting me through the ringer, too....Hey, I've got an idea. Let's just lynch whichever of dramonic and tanstalas is the last to give full answers to all my questions! Who's with me?

If I pretend to be paranoid will it make you happy?

No, I know Malazan happened but I wasn't worried about it in Defcon and I'm not worried about it here (If you're curious I vaguely mentioned to Equinox on AIM there was a tiny chance you could be the terrorist in Defcon, feel better!). I like to think I can read you really well, I got it wrong in Malazan, not because I underestimated you as a player but because I took what would ordinarily be a town tell for you and didn't figure in the fact your scum buddy was ALSO the other wagon. You also have some town tells don't think you'd be able to pull of as scum unless you were being coached by a hydra buddy who knew your meta.
And yes, to anyone reading Malazan is an offsite game, don't worry about it.

[Faraday]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200

Mininiminaaaaa can I get your independant thoughts on this? it's tans iso as town before being lynched in dexter. how would you say his reactions compare to this game?

[Faraday]

(I am not actually sure if you actively use meta that you don't have first hand experience of, though blah? I feel like I should know that!)

[Irish Carbomb]

Oh, and Reck, do you have anything to add to Faraday's answers? (I apologize for directing most of my posts to Faraday--I just have much more experience with his meta.) Most relevant are those about your vengeful claim.

Faraday, don't you have any paranoid niggling doubts about me? Maybe I'm pulling another Malazan. Maybe you should be putting me through the ringer, too.

...Hey, I've got an idea. Let's just lynch whichever of dramonic and tanstalas is the last to give full answers to all my questions! Who's with me?

What thought about the vengeful claim? Like why we did it?

I was pissed off and frustrated. Fate was also tunneling me at the same time in Scarlet Monastery pretty much, and in general his reads have been terrible, and I was pissed off beyond belief trying to deal with his fucking lunacy. We were talking about the bullshit wagon and were trying to figure out how to troll Fate and ran the whole list of possible fakeclaims. We didn't want to out a cop/doc by accident with TROLOLOLOLS, we didn't want to claim VT because that's boring and we would get no enjoyment out of it, and Faraday mentioned (jokingly) that the only two claims that would fit him from Goofbash were "pre-game cop" and "vengeful". I took the idea and ran with it because I thought a fake self-hammer and a fake shot on someone could get some awesome reactions. You never see fake vengeful gambits, only fake dayvig gambits, so we thought it was pretty genius.

As we've already said, we couldn't unclaim: D1 was the original claim, D2 & D3 we had Blackberry vs. DGB going down and it would've just derailed everything if we had unclaimed then, and D4 we were THAT confident about SensFan that we weren't willing to unclaim and risk getting lynched when we had (what we thought was) confscum dead in our sights

I'm gonna go ahead and post the VCA markup with some thoughts on it, brb

[Irish Carbomb]

1.1

Sensfan

(4) -- Faraday,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Nikanor

,

DrippingGoofball

Blackberry

(1) --

Albert B. Rampage

Kise

(1) --

VitaminR

Mina/Katsuki (1) --

Sensfan

DrippingGoofball

(1) -- Mina/Katsuki

1.2

Sensfan

(1) --

DrippingGoofball

Kise

(1) --

VitaminR

Mina/Katsuki (4) --

Sensfan

,

Fate

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Albert B. Rampage

DrippingGoofball

(2) -- Mina/Katsuki, tanstalas

Not voting:

CokeDeity

, dramonic,

Blackberry

,

Kise

,

Minineko

,

TheButtonmen

,

Nikanor

, Faraday

1.3

Sensfan

(1) --

DrippingGoofball

Kise

(1) --

VitaminR

Mina/Katsuki (5) --

Sensfan

,

Fate

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Albert B. Rampage

, tanstalas

DrippingGoofball

(2) --

Kise

,

TheButtonmen

TheButtonmen

(3) --

CokeDeity

, Faraday,

Blackberry

Not voting: dramonic,

Minineko

,

Nikanor

, Mina/Katsuki

1.4

Mina/Katsuki (5) --

Sensfan

,

Fate

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Albert B. Rampage

, tanstalas

DrippingGoofball

(2) --

Kise

,

TheButtonmen

TheButtonmen

(4) --

CokeDeity

, Faraday,

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

Not voting: dramonic,

Minineko

,

Nikanor

, Mina/Katsuki,

DrippingGoofball

1.5

Mina/Katsuki (5) --

Sensfan

,

Fate

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Albert B. Rampage

, tanstalas

DrippingGoofball

(2) --

Kise

,

TheButtonmen

TheButtonmen

(4) --

CokeDeity

, Faraday,

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

Fate

(1) --

Nikanor

Not voting: dramonic,

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki,

DrippingGoofball

1.6

Mina/Katsuki (5) --

Sensfan

,

Fate

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Kise

DrippingGoofball

(1) --

TheButtonmen

TheButtonmen

(5) --

CokeDeity

, Faraday,

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

,

Nikanor

Faraday (1) -- tanstalas

Fate

(1) -- dramonic

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki,

DrippingGoofball

Cherry Breaker

1.7

Mina/Katsuki (5) --

Sensfan

,

Fate

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Kise

DrippingGoofball

(2) --

TheButtonmen

, tanstalas

TheButtonmen

(5) --

CokeDeity

, Faraday,

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

,

Nikanor

Fate

(1) -- dramonic

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki,

DrippingGoofball

1.8

Mina/Katsuki (2) --

Sensfan

,

Albert B. Rampage

TheButtonmen

(4) -- Irish Carbomb,

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

,

Nikanor

Fate

(1) -- dramonic
Irish Carbomb (4) --

Fate

, tanstalas,

TheButtonmen

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

Nikanor

(2) --

CokeDeity

,

Kise

tanstalas (1) --

DrippingGoofball

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki

1.9

Mina/Katsuki (1) --

Sensfan

TheButtonmen

(4) --

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

,

Nikanor

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

Fate

(1) -- dramonic
Irish Carbomb (5) --

Fate

,

TheButtonmen

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Albert B. Rampage

, Irish Carbomb

Nikanor

(2) --

CokeDeity

,

Kise

Cogito Ergo Sum

(1) -- tanstalas

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki

1.10

TheButtonmen

(4) --

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

, Irish Carbomb

Fate

(2) -- dramonic,

Nikanor

Irish Carbomb (3) --

DrippingGoofball

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Sensfan

Nikanor

(4) --

CokeDeity

,

Kise

,

Fate

,

TheButtonmen

Cogito Ergo Sum

(1) -- tanstalas

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki

1.11

TheButtonmen

(3) --

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

, Irish Carbomb

Fate

(2) -- dramonic,

Nikanor

Irish Carbomb (2) --

Albert B. Rampage

,

Sensfan

Nikanor

(6) --

CokeDeity

,

Kise

,

Fate

,

TheButtonmen

, tanstalas,

Cogito Ergo Sum

dramonic (1) --

DrippingGoofball

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki

1.12

TheButtonmen

(3) --

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

, Irish Carbomb

Fate

(2) -- dramonic,

Nikanor

Irish Carbomb (1) --

Sensfan

Nikanor

(6) --

CokeDeity

,

Kise

,

Fate

,

TheButtonmen

, tanstalas,

Cogito Ergo Sum

dramonic (2) --

DrippingGoofball

,

Albert B. Rampage

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki

1.13

TheButtonmen

(3) --

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

, Irish Carbomb

Fate

(5) -- dramonic,

Nikanor

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Sensfan

Nikanor

(6) --

CokeDeity

,

Kise

,

Fate

,

TheButtonmen

, tanstalas,

Cogito Ergo Sum

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki

1.14

TheButtonmen

(2) --

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

Fate

(4) -- dramonic,

Nikanor

,

Sensfan

, Mina/Katsuki

Nikanor

(4) --

CokeDeity

,

Fate

,

TheButtonmen

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

Sensfan

(2) -- Irish Carbomb,

Albert B. Rampage

dramonic (2) -- tanstalas,

DrippingGoofball

Blackberry

(1) --

Kise

Kise

(1) --

Minineko

1.15

TheButtonmen

(2) --

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

Fate

(2) -- dramonic,

Nikanor

Nikanor

(6) --

CokeDeity

,

Fate

,

TheButtonmen

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Minineko

,

Sensfan

Sensfan

(2) -- Irish Carbomb,

Albert B. Rampage

dramonic (2) -- tanstalas,

DrippingGoofball

Blackberry

(1) --

Kise

1.16

TheButtonmen

(2) --

Blackberry

,

VitaminR

Fate

(2) -- dramonic,

Nikanor

Nikanor

(9) --

CokeDeity

,

Fate

,

TheButtonmen

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Minineko

,

Sensfan

, Mina/Katsuki, tanstalas,

Kise

Sensfan

(1) --

Albert B. Rampage

dramonic (1) --

DrippingGoofball

Albert B. Rampage

(1) -- Irish Carbomb

2.1

DrippingGoofball

(8) --

Blackberry

,

TheButtonmen

, Irish Carbomb,

Fate

, Mina/Katsuki,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

VitaminR

,

Sensfan

Blackberry

(1) --

DrippingGoofball

Irish Carbomb (1) --

Kise

Not voting:

Minineko

, dramonic, tanstalas,

Albert B. Rampage

3.1

Blackberry

(3) -- Irish Carbomb,

TheButtonmen

, tanstalas
Irish Carbomb (3) --

Sensfan

, Mina/Katsuki,

Kise

tanstalas (1) --

VitaminR

Not voting: dramonic,

Blackberry

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Minineko

,

Cherry Breaker

3.2

Blackberry

(4) -- Irish Carbomb,

TheButtonmen

,

Cherry Breaker

,

Minineko

Irish Carbomb (3) --

Sensfan

, Mina/Katsuki,

Kise

Cherry Breaker

(1) --

VitaminR

Not voting: dramonic,

Blackberry

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

, tanstalas

3.3

Blackberry

(7) -- Irish Carbomb,

TheButtonmen

,

Minineko

,

Sensfan

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

VitaminR

,

Kise

Irish Carbomb (1) -- Mina/Katsuki
tanstalas (1) --

Cherry Breaker

Not voting: dramonic,

Blackberry

, tanstalas

4.1

Irish Carbomb (2) --

Sensfan

, Mina/Katsuki

Cherry Breaker

(1) -- tanstalas

TheButtonmen

(1) --

VitaminR

Sensfan

(2) -- Irish Carbomb, dramonic
tanstalas (1) --

Cherry Breaker

Not voting:

TheButtonmen

,

Minineko

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

4.2

Irish Carbomb (3) --

Sensfan

, Mina/Katsuki,

Cogito Ergo Sum

Cherry Breaker

(1) -- tanstalas

TheButtonmen

(1) --

VitaminR

Sensfan

(2) -- Irish Carbomb, dramonic
tanstalas (1) --

Cherry Breaker

Not voting:

TheButtonmen

,

Minineko

4.3

Irish Carbomb (4) --

Sensfan

, Mina/Katsuki,

Cogito Ergo Sum

, tanstalas

TheButtonmen

(1) --

VitaminR

Sensfan

(2) -- Irish Carbomb, dramonic
tanstalas (1) --

Albert B. Rampage

Not voting:

TheButtonmen

,

Minineko

4.4

Irish Carbomb (5) --

Sensfan

, Mina/Katsuki,

Cogito Ergo Sum

, tanstalas,

TheButtonmen

Albert B. Rampage

(1) --

VitaminR

Sensfan

(2) -- Irish Carbomb, dramonic
tanstalas (1) --

Albert B. Rampage

Not voting:

Minineko

4.5

Irish Carbomb (4) --

Sensfan

,

Cogito Ergo Sum

, tanstalas,

TheButtonmen

Albert B. Rampage

(1) --

VitaminR

Sensfan

(2) -- Irish Carbomb, dramonic
tanstalas (1) --

Albert B. Rampage

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki

4.6

Irish Carbomb (4) --

Cogito Ergo Sum

, tanstalas,

TheButtonmen

, Mina/Katsuki

Sensfan

(6) -- Irish Carbomb, dramonic,

Minineko

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

VitaminR

,

Sensfan

5.1

Irish Carbomb (2) --

TheButtonmen

,

Albert B. Rampage

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki,

VitaminR

, Irish Carbomb, dramonic, tanstalas

5.2

Irish Carbomb (1) --

TheButtonmen

Albert B. Rampage

(2) -- Irish Carbomb, tanstalas
tanstalas (1) --

Albert B. Rampage

Not voting:

Minineko

, Mina/Katsuki,

VitaminR

, dramonic

5.3

Irish Carbomb (1) -

TheButtonmen

Albert B. Rampage

(4) -- Irish Carbomb, tanstalas,

Minineko

,

VitaminR

tanstalas (1) --

Albert B. Rampage

Not voting: Mina/Katsuki, dramonic

5.4

Albert B. Rampage

(5) -- Irish Carbomb, tanstalas,

Minineko

,

VitaminR

,

TheButtonmen

tanstalas (1) --

Albert B. Rampage

Not voting: Mina/Katsuki, dramonic

6.1

tanstalas (1) -- Irish Carbomb

Minineko

(2) -- Mina/Katsuki, tanstalas

Not voting:

Minineko

,

VitaminR

, dramonic

6.2

tanstalas (1) -- dramonic

Minineko

(3) -- Mina/Katsuki, tanstalas, Irish Carbomb

Not voting:

Minineko

,

VitaminR

6.3

Minineko

(2) -- Mina/Katsuki, Irish Carbomb
dramonic (1) -- tanstalas

Not voting:

Minineko

,

VitaminR

, dramonic

6.4

Minineko

(2) -- Irish Carbomb, Mina/Katsuki
Irish Carbomb (1) -- tanstalas
tanstalas (1) --

Minineko

Not voting:

VitaminR

, dramonic

6.5

Minineko

(3) -- Irish Carbomb,

VitaminR

, tanstalas
tanstalas (2) --

Minineko

, dramonic
dramonic (1) -- Mina/Katsuki

6.6

Minineko

(4) -- Irish Carbomb,

VitaminR

, tanstalas, dramonic
tanstalas (1) --

Minineko

dramonic (1) -- Mina/Katsuki

[Irish Carbomb]

D1: looking at how the wagons ended up, we were voting ABR-scum while Nik-scum got lynched. Minasuki/tanstalas were both on Nikanor's wagon, although tanstalas joined the wagon VERY late. dram was vote parked on Fate like he had been the entire day. Also of note: the other scum were all spread out on different wagons: BB was on TBM, Nikanor was on Fate, and ABR was on SensFan. This is +townpoints and -scumpoints for dram and tans, respectively, because it really would be odd for dram-scum to votepark on Fate all day, only for Nik-scum to try and push THAT as his counterwagon (with only his scumbuddy's support). Tans was also all over the map D1: DGB to Minasuki to us to DGB again to us again to CES to Nikanor then HOPS OFF OF SCUM TO VOTE DRAMONIC then finally squeaks back onto the Nikanor wagon at the last second.

D2: Blackberry claims a guilty on DGB and a wagon forms. dram and tans BOTH stay off the wagon. Blackberry-traitor faking a guilty is the perfect chance for scum to stay off the wagon and get townpoints, which is clearly what happened, since ABR, dram, and tans were all off the wagon while BB lead it.

D3: we immediately vote Blackberry for his bullshit. tans jumps on the wagon, before unvoting very quickly. ABR also joins the wagon, before turning around and voting tans, while tans remained unvoting the whole day. Blackberry was an all town wagon, and the lynch going through was inevitable -- so ABR trying to bus tans for +townpoints looks about right. dram did literally nothing with his vote the entire day.

D4: ABR continues voting tans right out of the gate and remains the only person on his wagon until the very end of the day, when he switched to SensFan. Conversely, tans votes ABR for awhile before switching over to us. dram stays on the Sens wagon with us the entire day. ABR/tans reads like distancing.

D5: a wagon on us starts, with only TBM & scum-ABR on it. Then scum-ABR jumps to tans AGAIN, while tans joins us on scum-ABR. dram stays unvoting and does so THE ENTIRE DAY, which seems to be a thread throughout all of this. ABR continues voting tans up until his very last breath.

D6: not much information to gain from this since we only have Minineko/VitR to learn from here, and I don't do well without PRETTY COLORS

The story of the game between tans & dram reads like this: dram voted Fate and continued voting Fate from the start. Nikanor-scum saw that he could take advantage of dram's tunneling and tried to start up that wagon. Meanwhile, tans danced around the Nikanor wagon - on, off, on, off - until it was perfectly clear it was happening, then he jumped on at the very end. When Blackberry claimed a guilty on DGB, scum were confused and skiddish, so they stayed off the wagon. Keep in mind, Blackberry was a traitor, and scum probably knew that there was a traitor (I've never played in a game with a traitor where scum DIDN'T know). Blackberry's lynch was inevitable, so what does ABR do? Why, he busses his scumbuddy! The two begin this song and dance of distancing/bussing for the rest of the game, until finally ABR gets lynched Day 5.

The connections between ABR & tans are jumping out of the VCA for me, whereas dram just reads like apathetic town/lurker town. He tunnels a lot, and it doesn't seem to be in tandem with any sort of scumteam plan or anything like that.

I'm officially putting my

FoS: tanstalas

instead of a vote. Faraday won't give a fuck and he'll want to finish doing his isos, but the VCA is pretty much powerful enough right there.

[Faraday]

i don't understand vca or feel it's useful when it relies on assumptions of what scum would do (i.e why wouldn't nikanor vote fate along with dramonic? I don't see why it's less likely if we ignore context)