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Yos, is there anything to your role besides being a 1-shot vig who gets more shots if you hit scum?

↑ Magua wrote:Yos, is there anything to your role besides being a 1-shot vig who gets more shots if you hit scum?

It was worded as a vig who loses my ability ("is suspended from duty") if I hit town, but that's it, yes. No other abilities.

I know it's infuriating, and I apologize, but it's a necessary step before I reveal my theory.

One final piece, which Spring won't clarify via PM. She said I'd either have to use my question ability or ask in-thread, so

I really think we've wasted enough time chasing out tails here over stupid flavor red herrings that don't lead anywhere. If Nuwen can explain to me how she thinks charter could plausibly be scum here, I'm willing to listen. Otherwise, I think we just lynch either Magna or Nuwen today. I'm having some doubts about both of them because of their claims, but honestly everyone in this game has a good claim right now; I'm coming to the conclusion we should just ignore that and lynch someone who seems scummy.

This is a ketchup post, honey, so duck and cooker if you have some kind of garlic against th--ooooooooof. I can't even begin to stomach this.

If I'm reading between Nuwen's lines correctly, I... might be able to go with half of what she's saying right now. I'd rather hear it from her though.

In particular, Nuwen is correct in 1917 in re: shos. "Neither benevolent or malevolent" doesn't sound SKy to me, and I think that's the way to go with the sho, who has been more pro-Town than most of the players in the game.

Well, actually, if there are indeed three starting scum and an SK, we're at shos' mercy regardless.

Yos2 1924 wrote:The only way charter could be scum is if there's a 2 man mafia still around and he's part of it, but you also seem to think that there is also a SK,

and a 3 man mafia + a SK seems unlikely

, not to mention that there seem to be too many mostly-confirmed town for that to really be practical at this point.

Why is this?

In a sense, I agree with Yosarian2 1929. I don't think everyone in the game has a good claim per se, and there are enough issues running parallel to the good ones that I can find a reason to hate almost everyone, so we come to the same kind of conclusion.

But for the moment, what Nuwen has to say sounds intriguing enough that I'll wait.

↑ Vi wrote:

Yos2 1924 wrote:The only way charter could be scum is if there's a 2 man mafia still around and he's part of it, but you also seem to think that there is also a SK,

and a 3 man mafia + a SK seems unlikely

, not to mention that there seem to be too many mostly-confirmed town for that to really be practical at this point.

Why is this?

Mostly because it seems really unlikely that there are that many bad guys left in the game. Plus, if Shos is not a SK, then that would mean 3 mafia + SK + Survivor, which is just crazy. No; I think we're just dealing with (2 mafia) or (1 mafia + 1 SK) at this point. Which is why Nuwen's push for charter seems so bizzare to me; she believes Shos is a survivor, she is convinced there is a SK, and yet she's voting for charter, even though there's basically no way that he could be scum if there is both a SK and a Survivor in this game.

Oi, sorry for absence, still on iphone. I can see what nuwen meant, i think. More tomorrow

I'll be back

Still on iphone. Why is magua online and not posting?

shos wrote:Still on iphone. Why is magua online and not posting?

'cause I was reading.

I did skip pages 25-45 or so, but I've read the rest of it.

Stuff. The strong reads first:

Yosarian2: Town.
First, Hiraki's vision. Looking back on this with the accumulated evidence of the game, I read Hiraki's vision as "The person who killed Elmo is good (read: town)." St. Martin was a good guy -- this is highlighted in the episode of him giving his cloak. The vision is tied specifically to the death of Elmo, which Yosarian2 has claimed. Finally, charter confirms Yosarian's role.
Als, if Yosarian2 was bussing Furcolow D2, good job, sir, you win the internet. Yosarian2 is town.

Zar: Town.
Strongest townread from play alone. Furcolow outting his role is more or less icing on the cake; anything else requries a Zar + Furcolow scumteam which is lulz. Pushes all my buttons for what town should be.

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shos: Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.
Survivor+SK is not plausible; is either an SK, or is a Survivor and there is no SK. Zar's visions (1606, 1848) indicate survivor, in which case I do not believe there is an SK. Evidence is that there's no SK anyways, due to the lack of kills.

Bulletproof survivor is meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, but I'm willing to let it alone.

The one thing paranoid-me wants to verify is that it's not shos who sent the visions to Zar D3 and D4. So, to that end:
Kindly send someone (preferably Zar) a message.

charter: Null.
Can't be an SK if there is one, can't be scum if there's only one left, due to Zar's report. Bad at reading disengaged, uncaring play. Ignoring almost entirely due to Zar's track. Very little desire to lynch.

Nuwen - Slight town.
Maybe I'm just being lazy, but the role claim, and the thought that went into the questions as presented is town. Posts have read as town, though not as town as Zar.

Have you used your questions for toDay yet? If so, what are they? If not, given the answers you've received before, I'd advise against conjunctions and try simpler questions:
1. Did someone try to kill Vi N1?
2. Did someone try to kill Vi N3?
3. Did Parama kill kanye N2?

Vi - Scum.
Yeah, so here we go. The big stuff:
- Role (mechanically) doesn't fit with the other roles. Many of the roles are heavily flavor-based (compare Zar's reports to a normal tracker's) or mechanically weakened (Yosarian losing his shot if he kills town), but how the role works is understood and described. Even shos', which, being 3rd party one way or another, is likely to be the strangest of the roles, is explained in terms of what it does. Vi's claim is different -- make this choice, and *stuff* happens. What stuff? No one knows, including Vi. That doesn't fit.
- Reaction to Yos' vig claim, specifically mentioning that he's one-shot. At first, I thought this was a slip (some form of rolecop result), but it's obviously not because Yos was never a one-shot vigilante -- still don't like it.
- Nonsensical PR seems like Vi-trying-to-muddy-the-waters.

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Overall, Vi (and shos, but, flavor) is my only scumread. This is problematic, because I can't really believe that it's 10:2:1 with the 1 being a survivor, which means SK (shos) or there's two mafia left and I have no clue who would be a partner to Vi.

VOTE: Vi

zar can confirm that I sent him a message yesterday in twilight, not being sure if it'd go through since well - it was twilight. no need to waste today's message yet.

Nuwen, I'd join that thing about your questions. we should all think what questions we want him to ask. there should be at least one question which we KNOW the answer to(or at least Zar knows, being the most-townie guy) so that we know Nuwen is actually telling the truth. such a question could be something like, "how many bolded letters are in Zar's role pm" or something...but we need mod to answer that...

↑ Yosarian2 wrote:

↑ Vi wrote:

Yos2 1924 wrote:The only way charter could be scum is if there's a 2 man mafia still around and he's part of it, but you also seem to think that there is also a SK,

and a 3 man mafia + a SK seems unlikely

, not to mention that there seem to be too many mostly-confirmed town for that to really be practical at this point.

Why is this?

Mostly because it seems really unlikely that there are that many bad guys left in the game. Plus, if Shos is not a SK, then that would mean 3 mafia + SK + Survivor, which is just crazy. No; I think we're just dealing with (2 mafia) or (1 mafia + 1 SK) at this point. Which is why Nuwen's push for charter seems so bizzare to me; she believes Shos is a survivor, she is convinced there is a SK, and yet she's voting for charter, even though there's basically no way that he could be scum if there is both a SK and a Survivor in this game.

With as much power as has been seen and claimed in this game, I think it's quite realistic that there were three Mafia originally. When you say it aloud, though, then 8 - 3 - 1 - (1) doesn't seem that plausible... I can see where you're coming from on charter-Town. I have other thoughts on this, but I'd rather see Nuwen post first.

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I don't actually hate Magua's 1935, all things considered. But,

Magua 1935 wrote:Vi's claim is different -- make this choice, and *stuff* happens. What stuff? No one knows, including Vi. That doesn't fit.

Vi 1844 wrote:I can choose a floor

and I might find something of use,

but I'm told that which floor I choose may have farther-reaching implications.

The base of my role is that I find clues. I thought that seemed obvious.

Magua 1935 wrote:- Reaction to Yos' vig claim, specifically mentioning that he's one-shot. At first, I thought this was a slip (some form of rolecop result), but it's obviously not because Yos was never a one-shot vigilante -- still don't like it.

So you acknowledge that something is not a scum slip (so much as a reviewer slip) but still penalize me for it. Sure, let's go with that.

Magua 1935 wrote:- Nonsensical PR seems like Vi-trying-to-muddy-the-waters.

There are quite a few snippy responses that come to mind for this. The kindest one is that I really don't see how extraneous lines about not being able to taste cooked duck in honey and garlic (which I can't by the way) are "muddying the waters". I have to get it out once a post somehow some way. Read it, laugh if you like, and move on to the plain English of the rest of the post.

But, my big questions are:

Magua 1935 wrote:charter: Null.
Can't be an SK if there is one, can't be scum if there's only one left, due to Zar's report. Bad at reading disengaged, uncaring play. Ignoring almost entirely due to Zar's track. Very little desire to lynch.

Nuwen - Slight town.
Maybe I'm just being lazy, but the role claim, and the thought that went into the questions as presented is town. Posts have read as town, though not as town as Zar.

Why am I your only scum read when you are deliberately keeping two people in your blind spot?
And why are you relying so heavily on claims to sort out {charter|Nuwen|Vi}?

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I really couldn't care less about trying to "game" Nuwen's ability. If Nuwen is scum, then it does no good. If Nuwen is Town, then I doubt any answers would be that enlightening if previous history is any indication.

Yeah, I didn't get the information or reaction I thought I would get. Doesn't really change anything. Probably would have written Vi off as for-sure town if he had figured this out and come forward.

I'll try to make this post follow my train of thought as I rode it.

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I reread Furcolow and two major things stood out:

1.

↑ Furcolow wrote:I'm a Detective.

Zar is a Tracker. Don't hammer.

Yes, Furcolow seemed like an idiot but holy shit is this just plain claiming scum. Have to ask these words were chosen here:

• No daytalk - this was my original assumption. Furcthing is communicating N1 information to his buddy. If we close the book there,
  we never wonder who Furc could be communicating with OUTSIDE of his scumteam.
  
  
  
• "Zar is a tracker. Don't hammer." - this sounds very much like a barter-plea for life, posed to either a third party or (
  more likely
  ) a second scum team. Maybe this was also a test for
  Zar's
  alignment. Furc and his buddy could have decided to out the tracker on the way down - if Zar took shots from a second scum team/SK, then Furc's team would absolutely know Zar is town.
  
  A corollary: Zar living would imply he's aligned with bullet-shooters, especially after protective roles are dead. (There is one claimed protective role alive: Magua -> Charter N2, 2 kills; Magua -> Zar N3, 0 kills)
  
  Basically I'm reading this as either "I know Zar is
  your tracker
  . Don't hammer."
  OR
  "Zar is a town tracker. Don't hammer and we can work together today." Either way, this line was NOT addressed to town players and I don't think it's clumsy enough to be in-thread communication with his buddy.
  
  
• Multiball
  - they must know about each other by now. The non-Furcolow team would definitely know. The Furc-team would probably suspect an SK for awhile, unless both teams were informed of a multiball in role PMs or by flavor we've glossed over.

2.

↑ Furcolow wrote:

I'm a Detective.

Zar is a Tracker.

Don't hammer.

↑ springlullaby wrote:

Day 2 ends.

Furcolow,

The Portrait of Madame Récamier

by Jacques Louis David, was destroyed by the authorities. He was a mafia charmer.

Night 2 starts now.

The deadline is set to Sunday June the 3rd.

(expired on 2012-06-03 12:00:00)[/align]

• A
  mafia charmer
  doesn't exactly sound like a rolecop. In fact, I've seen "chamer" used most often as a role-pacifying or role-blocking kind of role. This would be baseless speculation if...
  
  
  

  ↑ Zar wrote:I followed Furcolow in N1, but the result said my action failed.
  
  I asked the mod what the result would be in case a player did not move during the night, she responded that in such case I would be told my target did not go anywhere.

  
  
  We've already figured out that Zar can't be the same alignment as Furcolow - he's either trying to out a scum tracker from a second team OR outing a town tracker. I trust Zar's result here. Zar targeted a "charmer" and got no result, which sounds a lot like a role pacify or action-immunity to me.
  
  
• So where did Furcolow get his information from?
  - his buddy, the real rolecop, of course (fits with: scum
  do
  have daytalk, and Furthing's claim wasn't meant to save him but doom/figure out Zar). Furcolow dying with a rolecop claim on his lips sure makes a "flavorcop" look pretty town. Let's go check out that Flavorcop's results...
  
  
  

  ↑ charter wrote:I'm a flavorcop. I get some cryptic clues about someone's name flavor. It's why I was in favor of the massnameclaim yesterday, so I would have everyone's name to verify against.

  Night one I investigated Furc

  , last night I investigated Vi. Vi is a mummy like she claimed. As far as I can tell, my role is totally useless.

  
  
  This result/full claim comes the day after Charter's incredibly weak hammer, in response to Zar asking Charter what he was doing wandering about N2.
  
  

  ↑ charter wrote:If I forget to post day two, just count on a vote for Nuwen/Hiraki.

  
  

  ↑ charter wrote:

  Unvote, vote Furc

  
  
  So let's think about this. Zar's result
  could have
  been disrupted by a single-target block or other action, but I think it's a lot more likely that Furthing is just plain immune to actions (maybe x-shot, we'll never know until endgame). We see another action-immune role in the game (Shos) and action-immunity is actually a really, really smart way to neuter the swinginess of over-saturated town powers, including the random-ish lucid dreamer.
  
  If that's true...
  
  
• Charter claimed a result on an action-immune target, and his target happened to have claimed a more scum-oriented version of Charter's own role (a flavorcop might be rown... but a rolecop definitely isn't). If Charter and Furc were buddies, they probably decided this was a pretty safe way to distance and solidify Charter's role as town-aligned.
  
  
• I think Charter is lying about targeting Furcolow
  , and that they're scum together. I also believe Charter is a
  full rolecop
  , not just a flavorcop, and is claiming only flavor as a pacifying gambit. He initiated the
  name claim
  to collect information and catch any liars, which
  furthers my suspicions that we're in a multiball and both teams are aware of each other
  . Hence why hunt-dat-SK has been so popular (and Yos is flat-out burying the existence of a 2nd shot, period).

The only question left is what the hell happened N2. Zar followed Charter from 1st floor Denon -> ground floor Sully. Zar even specified information about windows to a courtyard, which means Charter definitely can't be underground. Both bodies were found in the basement, which presumably means the lower ground floor.

But there were 2 kills. Charter should be cleared by virtue of this alone, right?

↑ springlullaby wrote:Ma! Mama! Tôi thấy anh ta... Mamamamamama! Trong bảo tàng mamama!Ma

This is Vietnamese. It roughly means "mommy, mommy I saw a ghost" according to Google translator. I can't even begin to splice apart the Demotic script. At this point I'm looking for information that might mean Charter was able to submit a kill through untraceable means. I thought he originally targeted someone on the ground Sully floor, but the shot was bodyguarded by Parama. I don't think it's safe to assume Parama's role functioned as a bodyguard, however, and even if it did that doesn't explain why his corse is in the basement and not in the place of whomever he targeted.

There's also the possibility of a 3 man scum team+SK. I don't think is as absurd as Yos says it is, especially with the duplicate town protective roles.

Someone call me crazy.

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Yes, I have my questions. No, you don't get to control them but the suggestion box remains open.

God, I'm turning into MoI with his quote-striping.

Vi wrote:The base of my role is that I find clues. I thought that seemed obvious.

But that doesn't jive with what you described as the results of your actions in 1844, to whit:

N1: You choose 2nd floor, get an undescribed scenic tour. Very =/ on you not describing this, given how much this game relies on flavor and how much hay was made out of Hiraki/tricolor, for instance.
N2: You choose 1st floor, get 'attacked' and 'sent back to your sarcophagus'.
N3: You choose ground floor, chase off an attacker.

None of those feel like you "get clues", and nothing in your post in 1844 makes it seem like you feel you should get clues, or that you're missing out because you haven't gotten any clues, or what not; for the N3 action, you say that you think this was a block on someone trying to kill you, which is 180 degrees away from "get clues."

The thing is, my role is a little weird, but *I know what it does*. Everyone seems to know what their role does. Yours is murky. And in a game based so heavily on flavor, your results seem to be lacking the flavor. They feel fake; made up.

Vi wrote:So you acknowledge that something is not a scum slip (so much as a reviewer slip) but still penalize me for it. Sure, let's go with that.

I acknowledge that it wasn't a slip of inside information. However, it was scummy to say because there's no town motive in saying it.

Vi wrote:There are quite a few snippy responses that come to mind for this. The kindest one is that I really don't see how extraneous lines about not being able to taste cooked duck in honey and garlic (which I can't by the way) are "muddying the waters". I have to get it out once a post somehow some way. Read it, laugh if you like, and move on to the plain English of the rest of the post.

Humor me, then. *Why* do you, a mummy who is ostensibly missing some canopic jars, have to reference fowl in your posts? Mummification has nothing to do with birds, or Horus, or any sort of relation I can come up with. If it was lack of taste or other senses, why the fixation on birds?

Vi wrote:Why am I your only scum read when you are deliberately keeping two people in your blind spot?
And why are you relying so heavily on claims to sort out {charter|Nuwen|Vi}?

Yos and Zar aren't in my blind spot. I solidly think each is town.

charter could be scum, but he can't be scum by himself, due to Zar's report. I trust Zar's report.
For Nuwen, I really like Nuwen's claim[1]. Secondly, I do not believe that you and Nuwen could be partners. So between the two of you, you're scummy and she's not.

Vi wrote:I really couldn't care less about trying to "game" Nuwen's ability. If Nuwen is scum, then it does no good. If Nuwen is Town, then I doubt any answers would be that enlightening if previous history is any indication.

The cost for trying to do so: zero. Why would you *not* do this, even if you thought Nuwen was scum?

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Multiball theory has a lot of problems, to whit:
- You have to assume that Yos is scum, because 4 scum + vig could mean lylo D2 which is lulz.
- There's really no explanation for the lack of kills N3.

Re: Mafia charmer, and role claims in general: I do not believe you can take specific role information from the flips. You can take general information (forensic investigator => some form of investigation role, art restorer => doctor, given that both those claims came from town), but for ones like "dreamer" or "charmer" I do not believe they match to previous usages.

(On a tangent, Elmo was almost certainly not a lucid dreamer. I had a theory that Elmo was responsible for Hiraki's visions N1, but that theory fell apart with Zar receiving visions N2/N3.

Still, Elmo was not a lucid dreamer in the same way that Hiraki, "art restorer", was not a Reviver.)

Of particular note is that springlullaby refuses to tell me what my roleflip would be if I died (the ????? in "Magua, Antinous Mondragone, a town ??????"). This makes me think that those are more "flavor role names" than "mechanic role names." You (Nuwen) personally may be different in that yours might easily be "Nuwen, Astrid Sorel, town curious child", but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that no one else's is predictable.

Hypothesis: If Zar were to ask springlullaby what his flip would be, he would get no response, even though it should obviously be something like, "Zar, The Broken Jug, town tracker".
Please try this experiment.

Oh, finally:

Nuwen wrote:This is Vietnamese. It roughly means "mommy, mommy I saw a ghost" according to Google translator.

*points at the mummy*

Yeah, I feel dirty doing that, because lulzmodflavor-and-all, but I mean, if you're going to read the flavor looking for clues, don't ignore the obvious.

[1] dealwithit.jpg

Charter's Claim first:

↑ charter wrote:I'm La Joconde, aka the mona lisa.

Vi's claim follows:

↑ Vi wrote:
Also, I'm the Louvre's mummy.

The problem with Charter's flavorcop role is that he's working with information readily available.

↑ charter wrote:Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

↑ charter wrote:What did furc claim?

↑ charter wrote:You got any nameclaim to go with that furc?

Now he's claimed a result. But his claim comes after Vi has given out her flavor name.

↑ charter wrote:I'm a flavorcop. I get some cryptic clues about someone's name flavor. It's why I was in favor of the massnameclaim yesterday, so I would have everyone's name to verify against. Night one I investigated Furc, last night I investigated Vi. Vi is a mummy like she claimed. As far as I can tell, my role is totally useless.

Note that there is no additional information here accompanying Charter's result. Vi full-claims:

↑ charter wrote:Yos, what was your claim again? I forget what it was.

↑ Vi wrote:
4) Here's my claim.

As the mummy I wander the halls at Night, practicing my moonwalk for the big surprise Thriller party on Thursday. I can choose a floor and I might find something of use, but I'm told that which floor I choose may have farther-reaching implications. I chose Second Floor Night 1 basically at random and got a scenic tour but that's about it. I tried First Floor Night 2 but got little more than attacked and sent back to my sarcophagus with a bit of a rough attitude. I tried Ground Floor last Night and got a visitor I was able to chase away before they broke all of my canopic jars. That's why I believe I was the target of a kill. With that said, being without most of my internal organs leaves me with a silly post restriction as a memento of the affair. But post restrictions are fun; I can make bird humor as we lynch the fowl villain I've been trying to get DEAD for

three and a half Days now

.

Oh, before I forget, I was raised up by a mysterious power of some kind. Which sounds like what shos claimed, hence that one line of questioning D3.

Any questions?

Charter adds to his Vi claim after vi has given flavor detail to her role. claims to have flavor results on Furcolow, flipped scum. If Nuwen is right and Furcolow's role made him an ascetic, then Charter's claim result is questionable. His Yosarian claim confirmation is also shaky, as all the information had also been public before the claim.

↑ charter wrote:

Unvote

because I have no clue what is going on in this game and I'm not going to be the one to blow it.

Night one I targeted Furc because I thought his vote was suspect. I was told he was a young woman with brown curls. She was reclining and wearing some sort of dress of which I need to google later.
Night two I targeted Vi, I don't remember why. It was just a description of a mummy, it game me his height and is laying down wearing linen. Four vases are next to him.
Night three I targeted Yos, because he wanted me to verify his claim. He's a young woman with short hair. She is in bed, and has a gun by her side.

This supports his claim. I think his pic is of a woman.

↑ Vi wrote:
So, there are two things about this Viscum theory that don't work.

(1) My Night action was actually circumvented last Night. Not that you'd know that, but it means I wouldn't be writing anything on the walls - as I said earlier.

Also,
(2) Supposing for a moment that I were scum in a game where it's very obvious that flavor means a lot (remember the claims came on Day

Two

), don't you think that I would claim just about anything except what all the clues point to? Something innocuous, like a schoolgirl on a field trip.

Call it WIFOM if you like; I'd like to refer to my previous statement about me not being a total retard. And in case it's not obvious, I'm quite positive that this is a setup.

The only person who has claimed to have targeted Vi is Charter.

Nuwen 1938 wrote:Someone call me crazy.

Is this like "call me maybe"?

Nuwen 1938 wrote:A mafia charmer doesn't exactly sound like a rolecop. In fact, I've seen "chamer" used most often as a role-pacifying or role-blocking kind of role. This would be baseless speculation if...

Nuwen 1938 wrote:So where did Furcolow get his information from? - his buddy, the real rolecop, of course

Eyebrows just hit the ceiling.

But, there's a problem here. If the scum don't have daytalk, why would Furcolow (that is, the not-Role Cop) be the one announcing it?

There is the open possibility of multiball, which would explain both this and the two kills (and possibly the lack of kills?). In that case, you're pretty much calling out Yos+Zar+charter as the scum. But, I kind of like Magua's conclusion about Yos2 being good based on the flavor; it's surprisingly elegant. This throws things into a bit of chaos, as we have three kills per Night (though Yos2's role is kind of acceptable in this kind of situation) plus an alleged Survivor (unless that's a fakeclaim, but again, flavor). It also means that the only people left to take Yos2's place are shos and Magua - or, figuring flavor in, Magua. I'm not entirely against this conclusion, but it's a bit down the rabbit hole.

Now, there's also the possibility of Zar being Town, and Magua taking his place on the lineup. That's not so bad when you factor in who was just defending Yos2 as teh Townz... But, Zar being alive doesn't necessarily imply that he's scum. Scum have deliberately not killed outed power roles for fear of protective roles and/or abject stupidity. (Worth pointing out: Hiraki -was- protecting Zar N2.)

Nuwen 1938 wrote:Hence why hunt-dat-SK has been so popular (and Yos is flat-out burying the existence of a 2nd shot, period).

This is a problem in itself. The second Night 2 kill happened somehow.

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Stepping back from all that for a moment, realize that there are a ton of assumptions going on here. What we know, and only taking small steps forward:
*Furcolow outed Zar before death.
*Furcolow was a "Mafia Charmer". Via springlullaby's acknowledgment "charmer" is supposed to be representative of Furcolow's actual role.
**Which does not remotely resemble a Flavor Cop role.
**It does not necessarily make him action-immune.
*Yet Zar has indeed claimed a Tracker of sorts.
**Then Furcolow had to know of this through a real Flavor Cop (or by having Zar as his partner).
*There were two kills N2. One of them, a Mafia kill; the other, unclaimed.
**This does imply two sources of kills that are not Town-aligned.
**Based on sheer setup sanity, there would appear to be three scum alive regardless, though not on the same team. This is thus MyLo. I'd love to be wrong on this, but etc.
*But, Furcolow flipped as . There isn't an ironclad reason to believe that this is multiball.

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Distilling that to smaller conclusions:
*Multiball or no, we must lynch scum Today.
*Either Zar is scum with Furcolow, OR scum have a Role Cop.
*No Role Cop has been claimed, and no one has claimed a true Vanilla role. Therefore, the Role Cop is fakeclaiming. Therefore, their role must be unprovable.
*Thinking offhand, the only truly provable role is shos'. If this is not multiball, Yos2's is added to the list.
*I like chicken. Well, duck actually. Preferably cooked with honey and garlic. I wish I could have some.
*The role that is most similar to Role Cop is charter's Flavor Cop, though this does not necessarily make him a Role Cop.
*But, see this post. Also holy crap shos has more posts in this game than me.
*Also, charter's p.scummy anyway on play.

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Distilling that to a smaller conclusion:
(L-2)

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Hi Magua.

Magua 1939 wrote:N1: You choose 2nd floor, get an undescribed scenic tour. Very =/ on you not describing this, given how much this game relies on flavor and how much hay was made out of Hiraki/tricolor, for instance.

There's not much to say. I started around the Chronological Circuit, taking a small moment to acknowledge the Turkish Bath waiting to titillate another day of visitors. I turned the corner and went into the Richelieu wing, where I noticed that the Four Seasons were hanging in order. As I passed through the rest of the wing I thought I noticed Rembrandt watching me but did not get a sense of a hostile presence.

If that doesn't say "nothing to see" then I don't know what does.

As for the other two Nights, I already told you I was blocked off on one. On the other, I thought that seeing my canopic jars get broken was it. Either way, I'm taking what I'm getting - the third one was certainly informative at least.

In re: "no Town reason to say it" - This is, without question, the most retarded thing I've heard all day. Not that I think anything I say will convince you otherwise.

In re: birds and fowl - I'm p r e t t y sure I mentioned this previously, but one of the jars that was broken contains my stomach. I can't eat stuff without it. s-lully imposed on me that duck was my desired food of choice, and specifically that it had to be cooked in honey and garlic. I couldn't make this stuff up if I wanted to (a personal weakness, admittedly).

In re: people in your blind spot - Okay, this might be the second-most-retarded thing I've heard all day. Hint: I was talking about Nuwen and charter, the two people in the quote directly above where I said that.

In re: Nuwen's ability - In case it's not evident, unless it's within grasp I'm not that interested in gaming flavor. All of Nuwen's questions and answers at a glance seem to say nothing about anything.

Magua 1939 wrote:- There's really no explanation for the lack of kills N3.

Hai hai.

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Cut again by Zar: Much happier with my vote than I was previously.

So we're confronted with two possibilities:

1) Charter is lying about his role.
2) Vi is lying about her ability getting circumvented.

Wait. you think we have Multiscum in this game?

2 Scumteams + Neutral Party + Town seems way too many teams for a 13 player game, IMO.

↑ Zar wrote:2 Scumteams + Neutral Party + Town seems way too many teams for a 13 player game, IMO.

That would be what Nuwen spent quite the fair amount of time positing. It's always fun to talk about but there are very specific reasons requisite to believe it's actually going on AND none of them are really satisfied at this time except for the two anti-Town kill source thing.

Now stop trying to be someone else who has posted in this thread more than me. Or I'll accuse you of being the person responsible for my sudden lack of duck cooked in honey and garlic.

↑ Zar wrote:2 Scumteams + Neutral Party + Town seems way too many teams for a 13 player game, IMO.

Not if that neutral party is a bulletproof survivor. That's actually a REALLY elegant balancing mechanic for a multiball game in a mini. 2-2-1-8 prevents the survivor from becoming a kingmaker in EVERY possible endgame scenario.

The picture claim from Charter is obviously a fake. Spring has poured a lot of care into designing this game - flavor, roles, clues. I don't think she would modslip and give someone a town PM with a mismatched image name. I think this is more likely a mistake from fakeclaiming scum. I believe scum are given fakeclaims because all the flavor associated with kills points to a thing/role that no one has claimed (Babylonian artifact is Zar's guess on that role, for example).

Watching Dreamhack all day, will be in/out.

@VI's 1938, last two lines: if nuwen is scum, then he wouldn't be able to answer how many bolded letters are there in Zar's role pm. which will confirm nuwen's lie/role.

@nuwen's big post, what the fuck, oh my god, barbeque, holy shit. I'll revise that tomorrow

@magua: are you saying that HIS claim seems fake? how bout you dear hypocrite? 'I do not want to say what I know but here is some bulls'.
also, fixation on birds in Vi? wut? it is HONEY and GARLIC with DUCK. it's one bird, and two other things used to mummify, lol.

@yos next post:
you quoted post 1360 by charter. Am I the only one who saw this and thought suspiciously about it? I mea, if I were a flavorcop, I'd firstly investigate someone whom I think is scum, and THEN ask for his nameclaim, to find if he's lying. am I wrong?

@zar:
:O :O :O
anyone else has been on that floor Vi said about in that night?

@VI long post:
Rambrandt watching you?? AND YOU DIDNT SAY SO?!?!?!?!? MADAME RECAMIER WAS WATCHING THAT DUDE IN THE STARTING SCENE.

in other words, someone has fakeclaimed.
my candidates are MAGUA and CHARTER. I want magua to fully claim for god's sake; what do you have to lose when you do that? the game's already on the table, adn you're just making yourself look bad, imo.

to sum it up:

I won't vote charter yet.

ah. ninja'd. sec.

btw before I respond to the posts above me, I think there cannot be two-mafia teams in this game beacuse of furc's flip. it just said that he was 'mafia harmer'. no name attached to the mafia, no unusual colors attached.


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As you can see whenever we started talking about pictures, I said that there was no rule forbidding it, and later mod confirmed. The mod, at start game, noticed that he indeed did not enforce a rule about the pictures, so she messaged me a few pictures of the kind, if I should want to fakeclaim a human. she also noted that I should upload it to the site just like she does to all the pictures. she just said that she does that because she likes to fuck with people who want to break setups or something; that is from memory, I'm not quoting the mod.

with that said, I'll vote charter and STILL PUSH MAGUA TO FULLCLAIM.

VOTE: Charter