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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:42 am
by BloodCovenent
Sir Bastion wrote:
BloodCovenent wrote:
Sir Bastion wrote:
I need to stop and wonder

what is the point of the power if it only works on jury duty???

are you that fucking dense? i still get results if they were exec or judge. BUT THAT DOES NOT HELP IF THEY HAVE ALREADY VOTED GUILTY ON A FUCKING JURY.




so your last answer:

because my role states that if they voted someone guilty on jury duty they will be considered to have blood on their hands. It does not say the same for Judge, or executioner.


isnt an answer then?

No, the role pm says i will be told if they have partaken in killing another player. It gives detailed instructions (listed before) for the jury.

You asked if the detailed specifics were essentially the same. I don't believe they are.

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:52 am
by Sir Bastion
No, the role pm says i will be told if they have partaken in killing another player. It gives detailed instructions (listed before) for the jury.


those instructions being:
Ugh, i miss read my role PM. The mod answered by quoting my role pm. implying that
i only get a guilty result on a player that was in jury duty if they had voted the condemned, and the defendant was found guilty. It did not say if they died.
I interpreted it wrong, because of the first line of my role explanation.


So does it use the term "died" specific for judge and executioner?

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:35 pm
by StrangerCoug
At this point I think Sir Bastion is trying way too hard to discredit BloodCovenant. I believed BloodCovenant when he claimed, and I still believe him now.

VOTE: Sir Bastion

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:37 pm
by WrathChild
That's weird, Nocmen didn't claim and SC is WIFOM us. Weird.

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:26 pm
by Knight of Cydonia
WrathChild wrote:That's weird, Nocmen didn't claim and SC is WIFOM us. Weird.


Do you believe the two are linked?

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:43 pm
by Nocmen
Did you forget the part where I claimed the first time I got lynched?

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:08 pm
by IceGuy
Vote Count


Nocmen (3): DoomYoshi, AurorusVox, AurorusVox

BloodCovenent (1): Sir Bastion
Ser Panda (1): Nocmen
AurorusVox (1): DoomYoshi
DCLXVI (1): DoomYoshi
Axelrod (1): AurorusVox
Sir Bastion (1): StrangerCoug

13
votes are currently not on a player.

guille2015 (7): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
StrangerCoug (7): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, BloodCovenent, guille2015, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI


Every player has
3
votes.
With
12
alive, it's
7
to hammer.
There are
36
votes in play,
14
of which are frozen, leaving
22
votes active.

Deadline is October 9th, 10 a.m. CEST.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:37 am
by WrathChild
Nocmen wrote:Did you forget the part where I claimed the first time I got lynched?

I actually did.

Vote: Nocmen

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:39 am
by WrathChild
Knight of Cydonia wrote:
WrathChild wrote:That's weird, Nocmen didn't claim and SC is WIFOM us. Weird.


Do you believe the two are linked?

Not linked any more than them being two separate scummy actions, but I retract the Nocmen claim part, he did claim and I forgot about it. SC post was definitely a load of WIFOM.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:26 am
by DoomYoshi
Should we massclaim if we are this close to the end of the game?

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:26 am
by DoomYoshi
That question was directed specifically at Axelrod, in response to his long post. Anyone can answer though.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:46 am
by AurorusVox
We should lynch Nocmen and claim before if we have any vital info.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:41 pm
by DCLXVI
Question to everyone wanting to run nocmen up. Why is he scum? I can't recall what the case on him is or if there is one.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:20 pm
by guille2015
I forgot I can still talk. Anyways, the problem with SC is that we need to get him in the defendants with other scum or else he will keep surviving.

Additionally. I would like to hear the arguments of those that voted for me as to why they voted for me?
BC, Panda and KoC.
No need for your argument SC, already know it.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:32 pm
by DoomYoshi
I don't like this setup. Partially because town is losing, partially because it is so easy for mafia to bus left, right and center. Which means no voting pattern can help figure out scum.

I am not saying Nocmen is scum per se, but if you believe Guille to be scum Nocmen is the most likely partner. This is because Guille was the first person to present the "Nocmen is town" scenario.

Weird thing: Nocmen's defense didn't include how on day 1, Nocmen pushed for guille's lynch. which means either that a) Nocmen no longer thinks that Guille is scum b) Nocmen is scum, Guille is not.

Now option a) can result in Nocmen scum or town, so it really isn't helpful. I think the principle of parsimony suggest option b) though. This is because Nocmen would've figured out that bussing a partner is good already on day 1. I am sure some scum figured that out, but not all.

Before we go any further, can every player rate your scumlist from most to least scummy? This can be the only recourse we have to counter the inherent difficulty in watching vote patterns etc.

I will give my list tomorrow.

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:48 am
by Axelrod
I will try to put some work into this game tonight or maybe tomorrow. I am very busy and highly unmotivated.

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:32 am
by WrathChild
(
Axelrod wrote:I will try to put some work into this game tonight or maybe tomorrow. I am very busy and highly unmotivated.
)
Translation: I'm scum?

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:34 am
by WrathChild
So according to the rules post, there is no Jury tomorrow. Additionally, I suspect that a player can not serve on the Jury AND as executioner or Judge. So we should be able to eliminate a few suspects that way.

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:40 am
by guille2015
WrathChild wrote:So according to the rules post, there is no Jury tomorrow. Additionally, I suspect that a player can not serve on the Jury AND as executioner or Judge. So we should be able to eliminate a few suspects that way.

You expect all three defendants to die today?

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:24 am
by WrathChild
Night 1 Jury:
Sir Bastion, 666,
WC
, Axelrod, Gooner,
Whispersilk (N)
,
Defender

Night 1 Executioner
: KoC
Night 1 Judge
:
MoS

Night 1 Defendants
: Nocmen (Executioner-Lives*),
Thor
(Judge-Killed),
Arugula
(Jury-Killed)
Night 1 Not-Jury
:
SC
, TSH (AV), Guile, Ser Panda, Doom,
Shadow
,
Nero
,
Quilford
,
V2V (Grey Ice)


Leaving AV, Guile, Ser Panda, and Doom as potential scum.

Night 2 Jury
: AV, Sir Bastion, Nocmen,
Defender
,
SC
, Axelrod,
Quilford

Night 2 Executioner
: Unclaimed Scum
Night 2 Judge
: NONE as of Modkill mechanics
Night 2 Defendants
:
Shadow
(Modkill),
Nero
(Executioner-Killed),
N
(Jury-Killed)
Night 2 Not-Jury
: Gooner (Blood Covenant), Guile, 666,
WC
, Ser Panda, KoC, Doom,
V2V (Grey Ice)


So, scum is in the Night 2 Not-Jury Group, leaving, Blood Covenant, Guile, 666, Ser Panda, KoC, or Doom.

Night 3 Jury
: Ser Panda,
Grey Ice
, Guile, 666, Blood Covenant
Night 3 Executioner
: Unclaimed Scum
Night 3 Judge
:
MoS

Night 3 Defendants
:
SC
(Jury-Lives*),
Quilford
(?-Lives),
Defender
(?-Killed)
Night 3 Not-Jury
: AV, Guile, Nocmen,
WC
, KoC, Doom, Axelrod, Sir Bastion

Leaving one of AV, Guile, Nocmen, KoC, Axelrod or Bastion as scum.

Night 4 Jury
: KoC, Axelrod, Nocmen, Ser Panda, Doom
Night 4 Executioner
: Unclaimed Scum
Night 4 Judge
: Unclaimed Town
Night 4 Defendants
:
Quilford
(?-Killed),
Grey Ice
(Jury-Killed),
SC
(?-Lives)
Night 4 Not-Jury
: AV, Blood Covenant, Guile, 666,
WC
, Sir Bastion

Leaving one of AV, Blood Covenant, Guile, 666 or Sir Bastion as Scum.

First it's pretty obvious SC is pardoned scum... so I'm going to go back and red him out.

So in our potential scum pools, we have:

AV (x3), Blood Covenant (x2), Guile (x4), 666 (x2), Sir Bastion (x2), Nocmen (x1), KoC (x2), Axelrod (x1), Doom (x2), Ser Panda (x2)

So not once has Guile served on the jury, making his chances of being the executioner the highest. I'm gonna post this and digest this while I look at the other claims.

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:25 am
by WrathChild
guille2015 wrote:
WrathChild wrote:So according to the rules post, there is no Jury tomorrow. Additionally, I suspect that a player can not serve on the Jury AND as executioner or Judge. So we should be able to eliminate a few suspects that way.

You expect all three defendants to die today?

You or SC should live.

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:46 pm
by StrangerCoug
WrathChild wrote:
guille2015 wrote:
WrathChild wrote:So according to the rules post, there is no Jury tomorrow. Additionally, I suspect that a player can not serve on the Jury AND as executioner or Judge. So we should be able to eliminate a few suspects that way.

You expect all three defendants to die today?

You or SC should live.

I'm not sure I'm interpreting your post correctly. You call me obvscum because I survived the guilty verdict, yet say that either guille2015 or I should live. My letting me live should not be an option from your point of view.

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:55 pm
by Nocmen
I think he's saying they all should die, but one of you will luck out.

DoomYoshi wrote:
Before we go any further, can every player rate your scumlist from most to least scummy? This can be the only recourse we have to counter the inherent difficulty in watching vote patterns etc.



Most:
StrangerCoug
AurorusVox
guille2015
Ser Panda
DoomYoshi
DCLXVI
Knight of Cydonia
Sir Bastion
Axelrod
WrathChild
BloodCovenent
Nocmen

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:56 pm
by Nocmen
EBWOP: Switch AV and guille.

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:00 pm
by Knight of Cydonia
Most: StrangerCoug
guille2015
Nocmen


DoomYoshi
DCLXVI
AV
Sir Bastion

Ser Panda
WrathChild
Axelrod
BloodCovenent

Least: Knight of Cydonia

I feel like the groupings/order are fairly self-explanatory, but I'll go into depth if you want.