In post 591, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
and this is scum more likely than just bad town because?
i mean sometimes stupid townies feel the need to pounce on retarded things that are really widespread
guyett doesn't look too experienced
As orc opens up the game, he distinguishes very clearly between bad town and scum. Yet we feel all of his later attacks have had an overarching theme of "bad, so scum". Orc does have these tendencies as scum, but as town, he's usually better at distinguishing them from his normal rage, and usually backs down a bit from them.
In post 600, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 597, likeabauss wrote:I never left. The guy you replaced, Rank, is my brother from another mother. We've been playing mafia together for like 10 years. Him replacing out means he was scum. Means you are scum. You should tread carefully, because between you and FratBoys, I've got two mafia and its still early on D1
So you're misreading someone you've played with for 10 years
Retardedness or scum?
We didn't like this post because we felt this is the type of response that orc wouldn't let go easily. As town, he would dog the hell out of bauss because a meta read like this isn't something that you pass over with a one-shot response when you're in a town slot. When someone calls a meta read like this when you're in a town slot, you let the thunder loose because they're being an absolute idiot fucking up reading the one person they're supposed to have a handle over, or they're making an attempt to mislynch a slot of someone with meta authority that they
had
but didn't want to pull because they would peg them immediately if they tried to pull something like that and you bring down holy hellfire down in response. The fact that orc let this slide showed that he was more interested in burying it because he felt he would be able to discredit bauss/push things off with a strong power role claim.
Can you believe orc ever said something like this? We can't, considering the rest of his pushes (with the sole exception of bauss whose push is essentially a delayed OMGUS attempt).
In post 906, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:pressure votes don't work if you say that it's a pressure vote so there is actually no reason for 901
899 is just parroting what i just said in the hopes of getting towncred for ocntributing
841 is a load of fence and i think your ass should be hurting by now
First attack is an attack for not having optimal scumhunting strategies which is dumb.
And the fencesitting comment was attacking Sakura for what was a little too transparent (inb4fencesitting) bit which is one of the easiest things to attack that I've ever seen. It's essentially taking an attack that was given to him even though it's not the type of thing that scum generally do.
There's a lot wrong with this statement. "I lied once for a gambit" doesn't mean that "I lie when I don't know what to do" and the whole reason that fencesitting is a scumtell is because it's either A) leaving options open so she can push mislynches or defend him later, or B) too bad at scum to fake reads. Telling her to fake reads defeats the purpose of the fencesitting scumtell. There's also the possibility that this was a sarcastic statement, but that's just discrediting setting up for a later push.
In post 943, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 942, sangres wrote:Are you caught up?
Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.
you are talking to me
so i'm assuming you disagree with sakura's push?
and for the love of god I CALLED BAUSS OUT for that and she parroted
fuck this game
He acted like Sakura sheeping his point (admittedly his best point) was some revolutionary shit that was actually worthy of some significant complaint, but it really wasn't :/. It wasn't like Bauss was an easy target, and it wasn't like there was any need for her to push that point in a significant way.
In post 978, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 972, Sakura Hana wrote:Ok so why should be considering policy lynching RC when you've supposedly caught scum?
i really hope you don't breed.
because i and everyone else can always be wrong about our reads and because some people have disagreed with my read on you
by your desperation on discrediting me i assume that i am not, however, wrong this time.
I don't understand how this is discrediting at all, actually. Wondering why you would go for the RC policy lynch over the strong scumread was a valid question!
1) The selective quoting is usually for reading pleasure as opposed to anything else. The words that she left out had absolutely nothing to do with her point of "why wasn't this your original response".
2) Opportunistic testing waters was bullshit, assuming that it refers to your earlier fencesitting bit.
3) Deliberately obtuse is the worst reasoning for anything ever, and is scum's favorite reason in order to attack someone whose logic they think they can beat.
In post 1134, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:the thing is i once downplayed a player for being too stupid once to be scum
she flipped scum
mara in our first game together
NEVER AGAIN
Is this supposed to cover up all of his "this is bad" attacks instead of "this is scummy attacks" that you've dropped on the thread? I can see freaking out over things that are exceptionally bad, but you're attacking things that are sort of scummy and weaving them into horrible, horrible things.
you know what i'm not even going to bother with this game anymore
it's tough for me to care about a game as town these days
and when i put in the effort and get flashwagoned for no fucking reason
i give up
you guys earn a big fat finger up your collective asses.
This was scummy because it was so premature; orc is stubborn as hell and when he latches onto something, it takes a hell of a lot more than a bad wagon on him in order to force him to shit down completely.
Toomai and JS but let's be honest I really don't care.
There is no case on me and I'm getting scumread for freaking out when I really don't want to be lynched
These two quotes don't make sense together, and they are only a few pieces apart. Orc knows that he has two motivations: motivation as cop to survive, and motivation as townorc the player to impart some sanity to the thread before he dies. As town, the motivation overwhelming both of those is to find scum and make them die or set them up to die. The fact that motivation for him as townorc and him with a town wincondition disappears but the cop motivation remains is a sign of scumvenience and nothing else.
#138 and #139 are both the start of the broad strokes analysis we were hoping for, but neither of them scratches the surface of "unfakeable" or even "townleaning". The centerpiece of all the analysis he's given this game is his push on Sakura which is a case that consists of "she's bad" and is more contentless than the case that's been put forth against him in thread so far.
#171, he complains about no one reaching out to him. We try to reach out to him, he spits back out the same piss poor content he had been providing all game. His transition to bauss from bad town to scum has no good trajectory in his ISO; instead, it looks like his read tranferred from bad town to scum when he realized when discrediting wasn't going to work.
I mean there are so many reasons why bauss is scum. The only reason why it took me so long to reach that read was because I was giving him a pass based on past meta failure.
I just hope that he'll stop being so cock-ass sure of himself after he lynches a fucking cop. But I doubt it.
First bit doesn't even make sense with the second bit; it sounds like he's convinced he's scum, but the second bit clearly assumes bauss town (otherwise lynching a cop wouldn't be humbling).
The "lynchers" comment was horrible and I shouldn't even have to get into why.
