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VOTE: nsg

why are your posts so banal and passive and like ... not scum-hunt-y?

gee i wonder

In post 1922, Shoshin wrote:Whoever is town should vote Kokichi before the scum do.

??? How does this post make any sense. You want me lynched why should it matter who votes me

Ngl. NSG is kinda scummy

In post 1927, Kokichi Oma wrote:

In post 1922, Shoshin wrote:Whoever is town should vote Kokichi before the scum do.

??? How does this post make any sense. You want me lynched why should it matter who votes me

the literal mechanics of this game

In post 1924, skitter30 wrote:

In post 1921, Shoshin wrote:Skitter, why are you voting yourself for gacha?

because i'm starting to lose my townread on you

Why?

To be clear, this game would already be over if I were scum, because I have switcheroo.

I'm effectively town confirmed at this point, in case that wasn't obvious to you.

In post 1925, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: nsg

why are your posts so banal and passive and like ... not scum-hunt-y?

Why won't you lynch Koki? Why are you so sure he's town, so incredibly sure that you're not even willing to lynch him when there's literally no downside whatsoever to lynching him today?

This game is starting to get really frustrating.

You guys mislynched Irrelephant, you mislynched Reck, and now you don't want to lynch Koki the day before LYLO when he claimed hated and even self-voted earlier in the game?

In post 1923, skitter30 wrote:do you think kokichi is town or scum?

I think he'll fiip scum.

But even if he's town, it's still better to lynch him today so that we get another night to use gold and gacha.

The point is that Koki's the best lynch, and I'd prefer townies getting the gold from this lynch over scum.

If Koki is scum and scum bus him, they get a lot of gold.

If Koki is town and scum mislynch him, they still get gold from voting him.

Like, how is this not obvious to the townies here?

Or. We could lynch scum and have less gold for scum and more gold for us

Unless you're scum, you don't know who the scum are.

We don't have any mislynches to spare because of Koki's role. But that doesn't mean we can't use Koki's role to give us a better chance of correctly lynching. We do that by using gacha on me (confirmed town) and distributing gold to people we think are town, including me (confirmed town). If we can pull off some investigations, we'll enter LYLO with a much better chance of actually lynching the last scum, instead of relying solely on behavioral evidence.

To be clear, Koki, I'm confirmed townf from your perspective because of switcheroo.

If I were scum, I would have used switcheroo on a townie. That means if I'm lynched today, town dies. Then I'd go into LYLO and quickly lynch you.

So, you need to rethink the whole "Shoshin is scum" bit you've been pushing and work with me if you're actually town here.

Lynch kokichi pls

In post 1937, Porkens wrote:Lynch kokichi pls

You have no qualms with declaring intent on him?
Also I thought we all agreed to massclaim our own roles at the very least

In post 1931, Shoshin wrote:

In post 1925, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: nsg

why are your posts so banal and passive and like ... not scum-hunt-y?

Why won't you lynch Koki? Why are you so sure he's town, so incredibly sure that you're not even willing to lynch him when there's literally no downside whatsoever to lynching him today?

i said that i was fine lynching kokichi *after we tried to use the dayphase*

i never said i wouldn't lynch him today, and i never said i was sure he was town

don't put words in my mouth

i was also under the impression we were still talking about massclaim

i'm also becoming increasing concerned about how passive nsg is, and i feel like pl'ing someone without like using the dayphase enables her to lurk/coast without doing anything (see day2 where she did ... like nothing)

In post 1933, Shoshin wrote:

In post 1923, skitter30 wrote:do you think kokichi is town or scum?

I think he'll fiip scum.

But even if he's town, it's still better to lynch him today so that we get another night to use gold and gacha.

The point is that Koki's the best lynch, and I'd prefer townies getting the gold from this lynch over scum.

If Koki is scum and scum bus him, they get a lot of gold.

If Koki is town and scum mislynch him, they still get gold from voting him.

Like, how is this not obvious to the townies here?

i think if he's town scum don't want to lynch him today because they'd much pefer him to be in lylo

notice how he hasn't gotten hammered yet

Skitter, why are you ignoring my reasoning as to why lynching Koki is ideal today even if you think he's town and even if you think NSG is scum?

i literally just said i'm not ignoring your reasononing. in fact i said more than once that we need to pl kokichi today (i'm even the person who brought it up in the first place )

what i said was that i don't think it needs to happen *this very minute*, not that i don't think it should happen this dayphase

You are voting NSG...

and voting kokichi is hammer rn since he's hated and i don't want to end the dayphase ...

i'm not entirely sure what we're arguing about here tbh. we're literally on the same page, except you want to lynch kokichi rn and i want to try to sort nsg and i want to resolve the massclaim thing before that happens

and i'm voting nsg because she ignored me the last like three times i pointed out how passive she's being and i want to see what, if anything, she'll say to me voting her over it

In post 1925, skitter30 wrote:why are your posts so banal and passive and like ... not scum-hunt-y?

see the first line of my signature

is this the first game we've played together in a while? i don't think that i'm playing all that much differently than i've played in my recent games, although i would understand if you were comparing to my games from a while ago (say, before this summer)

i mean, i would argue that from an objective standpoint i think i have pretty strong reasons to be townread (the strongest being RC's read on me). where exactly are you trying to go with your vote on me? you've told me repeatedly before that you find me hard to read, and i'm not sure what you really expect as a response from me here. yes, i understand that i lack motivation. i wish just as much as you do that i didn't, but i do.

In post 1936, Shoshin wrote:To be clear, Koki, I'm confirmed townf from your perspective because of switcheroo.

If I were scum, I would have used switcheroo on a townie. That means if I'm lynched today, town dies. Then I'd go into LYLO and quickly lynch you.

So, you need to rethink the whole "Shoshin is scum" bit you've been pushing and work with me if you're actually town here.

i don't think that makes you confirmed town...?

shoshin, can you be a bit more clear in exactly how much of your vote today is based on a scumread vs how much you just think it's the optimal play? yes, you've said you think he'll flip scum, but was that the primary reason for your vote or was it just the mechanics? if it's primarily a scumread you're not playing around it like i would expect you to.

@nosferatu, thoughts on kokichi needing to die before tomorrow?

In post 1945, northsidegal wrote:is this the first game we've played together in a while? i don't think that i'm playing all that much differently than i've played in my recent games, although i would understand if you were comparing to my games from a while ago (say, before this summer)

i'm thinking of the two games i played with alt!you over the summer where you were scum (hedging slightly cuz it seems you don't want the alt explicitly stated; lmk if you want me to say which ones)

in both you started out active and just became less and less of a presence and i think your play here kinda mirrors your play in both of those games - like as those games went on your posts there basically devolved into posting for the sake of posting and not getting prodded. a lot of your posts over the past few dayphases felt like that, as did 1917 and 1918

most recent towngame with you iirc was the one with alt!you (the one with the guilty) and also that newbie that you repped into (the one with ruru and math and ofrhz). i didn't know it was you in the altgame, but in the newbie yeah i misread you as scum for being kinda inactive, but when you did post it was thought-provoking and insightful

like here it's not an activity-based read. it's based on the fact that your posts are just missing content/drive/scumhunting/whatever-the-word-is when you do post

In post 1945, northsidegal wrote:i mean, i would argue that from an objective standpoint i think i have pretty strong reasons to be townread (the strongest being RC's read on me)

what would these reasons be?

In post 1947, skitter30 wrote:like here it's not an activity-based read.

wasn't saying it was.

-shrug-

maybe you should take a quick glance through my iso in one of my recent games.

what would these reasons be?

i mean, rc's read is first and foremost (and probably takes precedence over everything else, honestly), but apart from that i guess i would call it more of a relative thing - that is, i feel like a lot of people are playing scummy this game, even people who i doubt are actually scum (like porkens and to a lesser extent shoshin)

by the way, you keep pointing out how passive i'm being as if it's something that you don't expect, which is strange to me, because that's basically been all my towngame has been recently (much to my chagrin as i've mentioned multiple times in dead threads of recent games). i think your view of me might be being falsely shaped by your experience with that other, more aggressive player.

-shrug-

despite my paranoia my current view of the game is that it's probably just kokichi and nosferatu