On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[The Searchers]

The lynchpool consists about 70% of reads and 30% of what lynches might benefit the town, as a whole, the most.
~Ircher

EBWOP
~Ircher

[Blake X Yang]

This John Cena is virtually identical to the John Cena in Titus v Alisae.

I would be very shocked if he was not town this game.

-Blake

[Disaster Artists]

[egospray]

Wording is everything. It gives off the impression, "Oops! I've been caught [pushing a fake read]! I better attempt to redeem myself!"

Well, I guess that depends on if you find my mistake disingenuous or not.

-gb

[egospray]

The lynchpool consists about 70% of reads and 30% of what lynches might benefit the town, as a whole, the most.

I mean I understand what you're going for, but you should never give yourself up as a lynch if you're Town. It seems LAMIST.

-gb

[Blake X Yang]

I think the lynchpool should consist of:

Disaster Artists
Egospray
Smol Might
Mikoto and Kuroko
The Searchers
Despair Night

There are a few other slots I'd be willing to lynch but that don't provide a good return in terms of info; thus, they should not be focused upon.
~Ircher

Yeah, I get that this isn't 100% your reads, but since it isn't, why don't you argue for why a specific lynch is poor - especially if you named yourself into a pool?

It's also easy for you to list the other 5 names because they've accrued the most attention vote and push-wise, except for maybe

Spiffy

the main push from

Despair

and this hydra who has had plenty of adverse interaction with

Farkran

.

So what's your read on the above two, that you didn't list?

When I skim your ISO, I've seen a bit of interaction with the

Latios

hydra, what's your take there, as well?

I want a smaller lynchpool soon.

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

@Cappy

Blake is one of the people I consider closest to me on the site who isn't part of the Speakeasy. I'm hydra'ing with her because she has an unusual depth to her thought process and can immerse herself into others to understand a game in perspectives that others don't consider, even people who naturally can see other POV's. She's also pretty funny, good at handling herself in specific stress-related situations, and is actually one of the people who are reasons why I come back to play Mafia every now and then. I genuinely think that her, along with several other players, have impacted how I mold my playstyle. Very perceptive and likes to play games with people she considers friends, I'm happy to have her as the corresponding head this game. I think our personalities mesh pretty well.

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

damn it now I'm feeling things

damn you

cappy

I was gamesolving

also A+

blake/farkran

tunnel picture even though I don't understand it, haha

-yang

[egospray]

It's supposed to be digdug, right?

-gb

[Disaster Artists]

BILLBOARD TOWN

Imperium

Spoiler:

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPGciUgy ... /giphy.gif

I hooded this hydra and while I had them as basically locktown off in-thread interactions, I would have locktowned them basically immediately off the hood. Like I know my characterization of a hood is not helpful to some people but let me tell you, these two do not have access to the scum PT. They just don't.

At this point I'd view any suspicion of this slot with about as much skepticism as suspicion of my own.

Blake x Yang

Spoiler:

While there's always the concern that I wish Blake was like this almost every game, I'm not going to let "it's too good to be true" be a reason to not hard town this slot. Each head is townie independently. The one concern would be that Taly might be lowkey scum-polarized but I think the reach outs and struggle to get involved in this game all much more matches town Taly than scum Taly in my mind. Recent posting has all been billboard town tbh.

TOWN

Feminist Bloq

Spoiler:

lol why is this slot getting any scumreads at all?

I don't have the best hit rate on Ausuka generally, and of course Datisi would be easier to read if he was playing the main game and not just minigames. So two reasons to not hard say this should be a billboard read. But basically everything Ausuka has posted in the main thread just seems... good? I don't know how else to put it but this slot should just be town

Spiffybringer

Spoiler:

This slot should have been IC levels and it's dropped off a lot but let's be real. Firebringer is scum-polarized and he's not playing so that's lame but it doesn't make him scum. And Spiffy's initial mindmeld with me on Tammy was super town, which unfortunately he then just... gave up for no reason by backpedaling on the townread. Still second-guessing a snap townread is probably more town indicative than scum indicative? Maybe not but most of Spiffy's posting has been fine and this slot should probably just be town, with the caveat that the play here is just really different from TvA. But he was mason in TvA so I don't know how that might have impacted his approach.

I wouldn't bet a lot of money on this slot and I won't feel bad if I'm wrong but probably one of the townier slots in the game.

Latios and Latias

Spoiler:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/12QBgS1xGmP0rK/giphy.gif

Normally I wouldn't be inclined to dignify Gamma with a townread right now given he's been a naughty boi lately, but I think it's kinda ridiculous that after Minesweeper 2 more people seemed to want to throw townreads on Prism when Gamma did the very townie reach out there. And Gamma wanting to work with someone in a temp PT is pretty town gamma tbh -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11721774

also https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11721828 is good posting

NL

Spoiler:

My flavor is mod-confirmed 0/10.

I'm already town as f just for this.

Honestly this slot would be billboard town but I don't want Maria to start cultivating a meta of doing even LESS as town

Yeah, I know, off play objectively this slot should be null. But that Maria is putting 0 effort into getting townread frankly probably heavily spews her town LOL

QUOTE UNQUOTE "NULL"

Egospray

Spoiler:

1. Hectic felt really in your face in and direct to people. Almost like he was power playing and taking control. Here he feels like he's goofing off more right now.
2.3.
3.

Tempted to townlean off this. My #1 concern with this slot is bugspray not playing the main thread which basically prohibits me from moving this slot up to town, because that's really night and day from schadd's mystery box game and a lot more consistent with bug being a town-polarized player. I'm still talking with DRK about this read though and might have more since I think she has some different expectations.

Cappy

Spoiler:

I would never really consider lynching this slot before day 4. The question is, if it's still alive, is it the day 4 lynch? And my answer to that is: that won't be my problem because I'm never surviving to day 4 this game. So there's literally no reason to read this slot because I'm never lynching them while events are running, and I am absolutely confident that in a game with this many kills that I die well before then.

Despair Night

Spoiler:

Not accepting the masonry was a big mistake.

Saying to vig me was a bigger mistake if he wanted to be alive on day 3.

That being said, I'd trust Blake's read on insomnia over mine own this game. I'd still shoot him night 2 even if she townread him, but I'm not shooting him night 1. I don't think I would ever consider him for a day 1 lynch unless Blake said he was the day 1 lynch. That's actually exactly where I'm at on him right now. Insomnia being null to Blake is probably my biggest concern with him. And frankly him going through like three different stages of grief after I said I was going to shoot him was.... weird and not particularly townie.

Doing this list took too long, part 2 with the bottom half continues after breakfast.

-JOHN CENA

[Feminist Blocc]

hi i was told this was gonna be a Not Mafia Game and instead will be shooting the shit in minigames

and now there's like 80 pages of Mafia Game

that i did not subscribe for

is there anything specific you want me to look at or smt?

-D

[Despair Night]

On page 80 I will hopefully be motivated enough to immerse myself into solving some slots while being under the influence of what appears to be an alcoholic beverage.

~som

[egospray]

There's literally too many posts for me to keep up, it's insane.

pedit: yeah basically what D said

[Flavortown]

There's literally too many posts for me to keep up, it's insane.

pedit: yeah basically what D said

~Guy

[Blake X Yang]

Cena

, I encourage you to read 1885 because that's when I started feeling confident in

Despair

-town.

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

Cena

, I encourage you to read 1885 because that's when I started feeling confident in

Despair

-town.

-yang

MF.

also are any of the options in

Ircher's

pool options you'd consider lynching?

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

wait that was a level 0 question, let me try again.

Why are you shelving

Cappy

? Aside from mechanics, is there an actual read progression that prevents you from entertaining this slot in any specific manner?

-yang

[Disaster Artists]

He kinda reminded me of MD floof but not enough for me to townread and I am too concerned with his reads to feel comfortable putting him above null

he's actually null in addition to the fact that he's fun in minigames and thus never the day 1-3 lynch

-JC

[Despair Night]

What the fuck is MD?

~som

[Disaster Artists]

Cena

, I encourage you to read 1885 because that's when I started feeling confident in

Despair

-town.

-yang

MF.

also are any of the options in

Ircher's

pool options you'd consider lynching?

-yang

Post 1 of the list were my 'basically off the table day 1' slots

People not in part 1 of my list are the slots I'd at least consider, although more on that soon when I can sit down and type up part 2

-JC

[Disaster Artists]

What the fuck is MD?

~som

Merchant's Daughter

Relevant as me and floof being t/t and me mislynching him basically

-JC

[Cappy]

@Cappy

Blake is one of the people I consider closest to me on the site who isn't part of the Speakeasy. I'm hydra'ing with her because she has an unusual depth to her thought process and can immerse herself into others to understand a game in perspectives that others don't consider, even people who naturally can see other POV's. She's also pretty funny, good at handling herself in specific stress-related situations, and is actually one of the people who are reasons why I come back to play Mafia every now and then. I genuinely think that her, along with several other players, have impacted how I mold my playstyle. Very perceptive and likes to play games with people she considers friends, I'm happy to have her as the corresponding head this game. I think our personalities mesh pretty well.

-yang

For everyone:
This is why I expect from you for the appreciation page. Thank you Yang, I loved it! please post this same post on page 80, since it has to be a whole appreciation page.

- Silver Bullet

[The Searchers]

This VC looks like a step back from the previous state. Egospray now looks like a counterwagon to DA for no reason, since he was being hot earlier in the day but then everyone dropped it to vote elsewhere. As of VC 7 and 8, egospray had zero votes, why is he popular again now?

@spiffy, despair, searchers

I feel like i could be wrong on The Searchers among those three, his switch does not look good.

-Farkran

In defense of this move since it was mine both Ircher and I do not feel as strongly about DN scum anymore and our vote was not doing anything sitting there. Moving to egospray at least helped build a wagon.

In addition to what Ircher listed I have a couple other slight SRs but I'm not confident enough to out them atm

SC

Why allude an SR???

Because if I out them people will overblow it and it's not strong enough of a SR for me to want to deal with that.

Still reading
SC

[The Searchers]

My meta is pretty rusty admittedly
I just recently reread Mafiaception which is ancient (but still gold haha)
Why don't you have other SRs?
I will look at that game

SC

Were you in that game? It is one of my favorite games I ever played. Town worked together quite well, and I somehow understood my role and the mechanics well enough to use it properly.

No sadly but I've read it like 4 times because it's extremely entertaining and it's just amazing townplay. I'm trying to osmosis that skill to myself haha.

SC

[Disaster Artists]

VIGBAIT?

Smol Might

Spoiler:

Maybe this slot should be pure null, but I do kinda feel like I should have been able to find town here by now. Eragon is clearly capable of more as either alignment. What moves this to "vigbait" for me rather than "good shots" is that I think shadowlesscloud is maybe slightly town polarized and I feel like there's the *slight* chance that her posting here nudges her toward town. But I just have a really hard time engaging with this iso it feels so empty frankly

CAN DIE

The Searchers

Spoiler:

I think the lynchpool should consist of:

Disaster Artists
Egospray
Smol Might
Mikoto and Kuroko
The Searchers
Despair Night

There are a few other slots I'd be willing to lynch but that don't provide a good return in terms of info; thus, they should not be focused upon.
~Ircher

This is just a really bad post
First off including himself is dumb
Second of all not including several very problematic slots just because they're not posting is extremely poor strategy
Third if you can't find two town in this list you're gonna have a hard time this game

NOW

Ircher is a slot that I tend to disagree with everything he says; I learned this very much in the last marathon that we tend to not sync at all. He also tends to scumread me off playstyle which means solving him through my usual day 1 nancy style tends to be worse than usual. He's also a highly polarized player and he's playing this game. But I'm not going to give him a free pass for trying to play. I also thought the %s in 368 was flat out scummy

Additionally Cakez has been scumread by some of my townreads, and I'm haven't found a reason to hard town Cakez yet.
That being said-

I love this game haha

Lowkey tempted to give this slot a day 1 pass just for this, and if this slot is getting lynched I won't be the one leading it because I've been burned too many times trying to sort Ircher. If he keeps having bad reads and playing weird then he can get vigged night 2 in my mind. BUT I can't say I would give this slot a day 1 pass if enough of my townreads that actually think they can read Cakez/Ircher think the slot should go. I'll check in more later and am open to moving this up to a "deal with later" tier.


Flavortown

Spoiler:

Tammy is the only older player that I’m like “Damn, that Tam gonna catch me like Wham!!”

~Ferrari

I still have not heard an explanation of why this isn't just a straight up scum slip?

Nothing townie from this slot at all, boon's paying attention go the game to snipe event spaces but town boon hasn't showed up yet?

No free passes. I'm not rewarding or encouraging a "do jack shit early day 1" meta for you boon


Unapologetically Foxy

Spoiler:

While Pine can be a lurksack as either alignment, he is slightly town polarized and him doing literally nothing this entire game is an actual concern. In TvA he didn't much but he did at least give the impression he would try.

Xofelf 96 did strike me as just very slightly lowkey scummy, but the bigger concern again is that I haven't seen very much of the spunk she showed in AvP. Like there you could see she was really trying to solve the game, even if she was wrong on a lot. Here she kinda started playing, did an event, then just totally fell off without ever really sinking her teeth in at all.

****

Don't get me wrong, there's definitely some townie mislynch/vigbait in this list, I actually thought about calling this list "vigbait" but the reality is that these are all problem slots that need to do something townie if they want to be alive day 3.

While I'm not super confident on these slots being scum, I don't mind any of them being pushed and would certainly be willing to compromise on any of them, but also am open minded about any of them redeeming their slots before EoD.

Part 3 will continue on soon after I stand up for a bit and collect my thoughts on the last few slots that I want to die sooner than later.

-JC