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In post 1923, Taly wrote:

In post 1914, Taly wrote:I'm feeling icky about this 3v1 between Gamma/Titus/Flea V BM that literally has not died this entire game.

This is one of the most unnecessarily frustrating interactions that I've ever seen if all these slots are town.

My top townreads consensus are all going

"LET'S LIM

MURDER/BLITZO/NOBODY AT ALL

"

Am I high

Someone help

✿ڿڰۣ— wanna rose?

What do you want Taly? Whats your option right now?

and Thanks <3 It's a game, it's meant to be fun ultimately and I think people forget that sometimes (^_^)

@BM - No.
You have posted next to nothing in the way of reasoning and it's impossible to figure out where you actually stand on anything.
That is not an acceptable answer.
Nor is it acceptable to say that I've been talking around you when I've been trying to engage people almost since I've started playing the game.
I actually think this may be the first time we've interacted at all which is way too long at this point and I'm definitely not okay with that.
If I'm wrong on this somehow, even though I'm almost 100% certain that I'm not, then feel free to actually point out where you've explained all of your reads because you haven't, iirc.

BM I can't get over how your reads seems to be structured to townread people townreading you and scum read people scum reading you
It's not necessarily scummy but why

Alisae has really vanished from this game and I don't like it

In post 1926, Blitzo wrote:@BM - No.
You have posted next to nothing in the way of reasoning and it's impossible to figure out where you actually stand on anything.
That is not an acceptable answer.

Acceptable answer? You didn't ASK me anything, which was precisely my point. I called you out for not showing any evidence of trying to solve my slot, and your response was to turn it back on me and double-down on the argument that my simple posts are too difficult to understand and that means I must be scum.

In post 1926, Blitzo wrote: Nor is it acceptable to say that I've been talking around you when I've been trying to engage people almost since I've started playing the game.
I actually think this may be the first time we've interacted at all which is way too long at this point and I'm definitely not okay with that.
If I'm wrong on this somehow, even though I'm almost 100% certain that I'm not, then feel free to actually point out where you've explained all of your reads because you haven't, iirc.

you're "almost 100% certain" I'm scum, despite yourself admitting we've never interacted, and not making any effort to do so? There's also a real lack of big picture perspective here - your reason for voting me also applies to others but I don't see you taking such a hard line with them. Selective scumhunting

This is too not good if you're town, so I'm gonna stick with my vote on you.

In post 1928, SirCakez wrote:BM I can't get over how your reads seems to be structured to townread people townreading you and scum read people scum reading you
It's not necessarily scummy but why

I'm not sure which way around it was - maybe they scumread me because i scumread them?

I'm being voted by:

Blitzo, Gamma, DGB, Titus.

Of those, I'm neutral on Gamma, fairly neutral with a minor scumlean on DGB, scumreads on Blitzo and Titus.

My reads are pretty fluid this game, and I'm sure there's an unconscious bias somewhere and somebody is pocketting me but in general I think I have a good solid townblock.

Yeah I guess I only repeatedly pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Actually I just recalled the only other time we interacted and it was when I pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Then you continued not explaining your reads.
But I guess it's okay if you wanna keep pushing this angle where you're so transparent and clear when you haven't done even the slightest bit of reasoning.
Someone just pointed out how your reads are forming (RE - being based on whether someone scum/townreads you) and I think that's actually pretty accurate.
If there's something I missed definitely point it out because I'm just not seeing someone scumhunting tbh.

In post 1912, Flea The Magician wrote:I start with the assumption you're suspicious null. I then go look for things I like or dislike.

I do apologise if I don't play by your rules.

But Chaos has no rules.

And yes, the same with Titus.

what do you mean by "same with Titus"? Do you scumread Titus? or are you saying your defence of yourself also applies to her?

You don't need to apologise to me - mafia is a continuous learning experience and hopefully we will all get something beneficial from the game.

This game gets much easier for me if I believed were scum but I'm not thinking this way here.

They're so disconnected and the OPPOSITE of bussy if they truly were S/S wanting to distance. You'd think one or both would be gung-ho on limming the other.

And as scum individually, they're BOTH on wagons LESS powerful than them. .

I'm either a complete village idiot or one of the most accurate people in this game right now.

In post 1637, TheGoldenParadox wrote:please explain to me
why in the world we are voting murdercat
who is transparently bleeding town
and not blitzo
who is transparently bleeding scum

In post 1838, TheGoldenParadox wrote:just kidding the group think was never at nolim

i genuinely do not understand this game at all but will try my best here
the bm wagon is not great. i don't have particularly strong feelings towards it, but considering i by and large scumread or nullread the people on it, BL is likely town.
after reevaluating the entire murdercat thing, i'm a bit confused on why a wagon exists there but i don't think a nolim is good here and i also think it is town driven and if i'm right on blitzo, wagonomics implies murdercat scum because of the development of the BM counterwagon so VOTE: murdercat

Try to convince me within the timespan of 200 posts how you shifted from thinking was bleeding town and that - your longest running scumread - was the best lim option, to the alternative scenario of being scum.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

SirCakez wrote:Alisae has really vanished from this game and I don't like it

i have such a love/hate thought process toward in this game rn

In post 1922, Flea The Magician wrote:Also I'm trying to keep away from the Gamma vs BM stuff.

That feels like I walked into a bar brawl when I was reading it.

eh, i tried to avoid talking about it, and I only really bothered explaining the context because of you voting for me "because I trust Gamma". As I say, I just don't want to talk about it, or let it impact the game.

In post 1907, Battle Mage wrote:Titus is the reason you're ignoring the further evidence, which did emerge, because you're scum and it's inconvenient, or because you genuinely missed it?

I'm ok with you arguing the point, or disagreeing or whatever. But what's actually happened is:

Titus makes case on BM
BM explains why Titus case is flawed
Titus ignores BM but continues to post, frequently referring back to her debunked BM-case.

You are always going to disagree with a case on yourself. I want to see you scumhunting and I'm not.

In post 1934, Taly wrote:

Try to explain to me

within the timespan of 200 posts how you shifted from thinking MC was bleeding town and that Blitzo - your longest running scumread - was the best lim option, to the alternative scenario of Murder being scum

in a manner that makes coherent sense.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

That's a better way to phrase it.

@cakez - I wish you would disappear from this game tbh.
I will also note that pooky has thrown me into his townpile.
His vote is still here and we are a day from deadline.
Why do people think he's town?

In post 1914, Taly wrote:

{Alisae, OWER}

{Cakez, Bell, Akarin, Murder, Pooky, Gamma, BM}

{Reckoner, Haschel, Blitzo}

{TGP, DGB, Flea, Titus}

This is where I'm at and how I've changed in the past 24 hours.

I'm feeling icky about this 3v1 between

Gamma/Titus/Flea V BM

that literally has not died this entire game.

Surprisingly

Reck/Haschel/Cakez

are the only people who've recently made any sense to me in these past few pages.

If you feel murdercat and BM are town, why are you still casting pressure votes? Why aren't you hard pushing a wagon or no elimination?

I feel like my last post might be taken as a personal attack.
I'd like to make it clear that it isn't.
Back to the game now.

In post 1901, Titus wrote:

In post 1857, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Battle Mage has been my number 1 SR for ages, so it's hardly unexplained.

In post 1902, Haschel Cedricson wrote:There were two questions in my post and you only answered the former.

Stop dodging the question. Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

In post 1932, Blitzo wrote:Yeah I guess I only repeatedly pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Actually I just recalled the only other time we interacted and it was when I pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Then you continued not explaining your reads.
But I guess it's okay if you wanna keep pushing this angle where you're so transparent and clear when you haven't done even the slightest bit of reasoning.
Someone just pointed out how your reads are forming (RE - being based on whether someone scum/townreads you) and I think that's actually pretty accurate.
If there's something I missed definitely point it out because I'm just not seeing someone scumhunting tbh.

I slightly wonder why hypothetical Blitzo-scum would risk engaging with me here, although maybe he is more brazen than I'd expect. The hyperbole and exaggeration above are worth flagging, as is the piggy-backing off a suggestion by Cakez (which actually misrepped Cakez a bit, but was super convenient for skimming-scum-Blitzo). After I call him out for not really engaging with me, he actually makes a half-hearted cover in the last line, but is it believable? In his last post, he claimed near 100% certainty I was scum. It feels more like he was suddenly under pressure and to feign a solving-mindset, rather than town who genuinely has doubts.

Overall I think Blitzo is scum and I am content to elim there today.

In post 1941, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Can someone explain what "the case" actually is?

In post 1943, MURDERCAT wrote:

In post 1941, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Can someone explain what "the case" actually is?

You know what? Nobody answer this except Titus.

In post 1929, SirCakez wrote:Alisae has really vanished from this game and I don't like it

In post 1938, Blitzo wrote:@cakez - I wish you would disappear from this game tbh.
I will also note that pooky has thrown me into his townpile.
His vote is still here and we are a day from deadline.
Why do people think he's town?

2 things:

1. What the heck was behind this random assault on Cakez? Just after you'd tried to use his reasoning to your own benefit.
2. What is your obsession with Pooky? In real time I've felt like you expend a disproportionate amount of energy talking about him compared to others.

In post 1941, Haschel Cedricson wrote:

In post 1901, Titus wrote:

In post 1857, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Battle Mage has been my number 1 SR for ages, so it's hardly unexplained.

In post 1902, Haschel Cedricson wrote:There were two questions in my post and you only answered the former.

Stop dodging the question. Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

I haven't seen it but I am not caught up yet.

i was scum in his last game and he was tunneled on me the whole game and nobody listened to him and they lost badly.

In post 1928, SirCakez wrote:BM I can't get over how your reads seems to be structured to townread people townreading you and scum read people scum reading you
It's not necessarily scummy but why

That's NAI for BM.

In post 1936, Titus wrote:

In post 1907, Battle Mage wrote:Titus is the reason you're ignoring the further evidence, which did emerge, because you're scum and it's inconvenient, or because you genuinely missed it?

I'm ok with you arguing the point, or disagreeing or whatever. But what's actually happened is:

Titus makes case on BM
BM explains why Titus case is flawed
Titus ignores BM but continues to post, frequently referring back to her debunked BM-case.

You are always going to disagree with a case on yourself. I want to see you scumhunting and I'm not.

lazy answer. Did you even read what I said? Alternatively, was there any point you posting a case and me responding if you weren't going to actually discuss with me.

Titus, you are normally a lot more engaged and keen to talk and solve than this.