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I’m not voting Nero. You can elim him, but you do it without me.

The latest pivot to self-voting and self-pity is annoying but it’s not scum-indicative. What it IS, however, is an excuse to get rid of him. At this point, scum can easily mis-elim him and wash their hands of the blame because Nero brought it on himself. He’s literally asking for it. It’s also easy for town that’s exhausted with this day to vote on the slot that’s caving and just get it over with. Still, it wouldn’t surprise me if a good chunk of the scum team is on the Nero wagon right now.

I don’t want to flip town but I don’t want to encourage Nero’s behavior either. So how’s this plan: we elim Hayker, Nero replaces out since he’s sick of this game, and whatever happens at night happens.

In post 1888, Nero Cain wrote:the reason nm isn't voting me while calling me scum is b/c there's already too many of his scumbuddies on my wagon and they don't want to bunch up..

No it's because I'm going to quickhammer you

In post 1925, Rannygazoo wrote:I don’t want to flip town but I don’t want to encourage Nero’s behavior either. So how’s this plan: we elim Hayker, Nero replaces out since he’s sick of this game, and whatever happens at night happens.

I think the ship has sailed on this. Do you really want for all of this to have happened and the Town not to actually get useful information out of it? And you think this won’t repeat itself in some form tomorrow? Also, asking that someone else replace seems rude, but also kind of silly. So what’s the goal, for us not to have learned anything about this whole exchange?

In post 1925, Rannygazoo wrote:I don’t want to flip town but I don’t want to encourage Nero’s behavior either. So how’s this plan: we elim Hayker, Nero replaces out since he’s sick of this game, and whatever happens at night happens.

We're finally on the wagon of a slot that will actually be quite informative about the gamestate once flipped and it also seems likely they are scum.
And you want to go back to the shit lurker wagon that could just be town and tells us nothing.

Smh.

eliminating one of the betters players b/c I hadn't caught up the second I was back is dumb.

It doesn’t tell us nothing. We’ve seen who’s willing to vote on it and who wants to pivot away from it.

beep boop

In post 1929, Nero Cain wrote:eliminating one of the betters players b/c I hadn't caught up the second I was back is dumb.

I definitely knew you had a healthy ego haha

In post 1930, Rannygazoo wrote:It doesn’t tell us nothing. We’ve seen who’s willing to vote on it and who wants to pivot away from it.

And without the actual alignment information, what do you really know exactly?

If Hayker flips scum, that’s plenty to work with for day 2.

In post 1910, Nero Cain wrote:see this is why I didn't want to play b/c shit players like norway and Gamma will continue to tunnel me so im just wasting my fucking time. Although I still am giving reads and content but its like u guys can't progress beyond a basic lvl.

yeah this isn’t ironic at all
You realize the one time you confidently TRed me like ever, I was scum? You constantly SR me in my town games with no sign of actual improvement in how you read me, and here you had me as an SR until you decided I was bad town for some reason. Unless you can legitimately justify that change I’m going to read that as you changing your read to argue a more fluid narrative. I don’t see any particular point in my play here that should have made your read flip like that.

In post 1912, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1907, Gamma Emerald wrote:Besides that, what makes you say Norway/chk/BC/I are tunneling you?

prob b/c u 3 are voting me.

In post 1907, Gamma Emerald wrote:But I see some common threads in how you’re playing here rn and how

I handled pressure in MBoS 10

so the more of those I sense the more your lim appeals to me.

yes gamma, everyone plays like u

LMFAO voting =/= tunneling and you trying to make that false equivalency is a sign you’re not genuinely approaching with a town mindset.
And while I don’t think our play styles are similar at all, I think this specific situation you ended up doing the exact same things I did there. Getting outraged about being pressured while away, check. Catch-up abandoned halfway through, check. Horrible reads that suggest an agenda, checkity check. Homing in on a certain issue in order to have a safe push? All the checks! It’s eerily similar and the kicker is, none of those things I did in MBoS 10 are things I’d say were driven by my idiosyncrasies. So you matching my play there is pretty damning imo, since that play was a response to a situation.

like I wasn't loving Andre

In post 1542, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1540, Nero Cain wrote:nm is just trolling scum and the claim isn't great either.

You got any other takes Master Cain? You’re starting to sound like a broken record.

y do i have to stop scumreading a slot just b/c they claimed pr? I mean yes there will only be a certain # of prs and I guess you could make the argument that he could be town b/c we don't know who else is a pr but it's my feelings.

In post 1544, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 377, Nero Cain wrote:right now my scumreads are you, maybe gamma, ranny, cheeky, plus and maybe molla. I know thats more than the 4 scum I think there are but thats where I'm at.

Looking back, this is starting to feel very outdated.

and then sota lite pushing me b/c a p16 reads list that hadn't been updated was "outdated" was bad. But then the whole idea that one has to change his or her reads just b/c the herd does or the page count goes up is a ridiculous concept.

i mean now? I guess I'm a bit bias b/c he's kinda defending me and it makes mee want to town read him but then he's kinda pushing my lynch. Like he's saying that he wants me or Luca today but I think thats all but sealing my elimination b/c the chances that ppl vote Luca over me seem slim. If he doesn't want me eliminated then he should be pushing a slot that has a chance to be voted over me.

In post 1935, Gamma Emerald wrote:Unless you can legitimately justify that change I’m going to read that as you changing your read to argue a more fluid narrative.

i think its more than possible that scum wanted town to pile on me b4 they piled on me. Why do u think this is such a bad concept?

LUCA TOOK MY HAMMER WHILE I WAS IN BED

In post 1917, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1907, Gamma Emerald wrote:Mom was actually attacking some of the votes on you

she was but she also said

In post 1639, Momrangal wrote:It almost feels like you're trying to continue to stay on my good side so that I'll defend you further

In post 1647, Momrangal wrote:Why couldn't Nero cain be a viable wagon?

so i mean she's deff pushing for my wagon but not doing any heavy lifting.

In all fairness, I think momrangal’s approach to you was pretty towny. She questioned the votes on you, but wasn’t necessarily TRing you, but it wasn’t like she was trying to discredit your wagon or fish for reasons to vote you, her concerns looked legitimate.

In post 1935, Gamma Emerald wrote:So you matching my play there is pretty damning imo, since that play was a response to a situation.

if u got eliminated in MBOS10. Why would I want to copy want u did?

In post 1937, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1935, Gamma Emerald wrote:Unless you can legitimately justify that change I’m going to read that as you changing your read to argue a more fluid narrative.

i think its more than possible that scum wanted town to pile on me b4 they piled on me. Why do u think this is such a bad concept?

You are actually arguing that scum for town to pile on you before they joined in?

I honestly didn't see literally anyone vocally scumread you until i brought it up as an issue, so that's another bad faith argument to add on to the list.

In post 1928, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

In post 1925, Rannygazoo wrote:I don’t want to flip town but I don’t want to encourage Nero’s behavior either. So how’s this plan: we elim Hayker, Nero replaces out since he’s sick of this game, and whatever happens at night happens.

We're finally on the wagon of a slot that will actually be quite informative about the gamestate once flipped and it also seems likely they are scum.
And you want to go back to the shit lurker wagon that could just be town and tells us nothing.

Smh.

I think Hayker happening over Nero would tell us a lot actually

In post 1936, Nero Cain wrote:and then sota lite pushing me b/c a p16 reads list that hadn't been updated was "outdated" was bad. But then the whole idea that one has to change his or her reads just b/c the herd does or the page count goes up is a ridiculous concept.

I wasn’t arguing that your reads should change because the page count has gone up. Yeah, that’s obviously ridiculous. But you could feel differently about Ranny for example after their reaction to the Not_Mafia soft and their interaction with me and chkflip, or have a different opinion on plus after they maintained their apathy towards the game. You’ve clearly changed your view of Gamma for example - but are only implicitly admitting it. I did not want to give you the benefit of the doubt forever for a reads list that for as much as I felt made sense at the time, didn’t incorporate the additional information that’s come afterwards.

In post 1942, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

In post 1937, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1935, Gamma Emerald wrote:Unless you can legitimately justify that change I’m going to read that as you changing your read to argue a more fluid narrative.

i think its more than possible that scum wanted town to pile on me b4 they piled on me. Why do u think this is such a bad concept?

You are actually arguing that scum

planned

for town to pile on you before they joined in?

yes. it happens like all the time, scum not wanting to join a wagon until there's a town cushion

And I’m not sealing your fate. Those voting for you are. And I can’t just randomly push another slot. It has to make sense. Besides, most players here seem to want to ignore me, so I think you’re overestimating how much pull I have at all.

In post 1941, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1935, Gamma Emerald wrote:So you matching my play there is pretty damning imo, since that play was a response to a situation.

if u got eliminated in MBOS10. Why would I want to copy want u did?

I’m not saying you saw my play in that game and copied it. I’m saying the circumstances around you in this game resemble the circumstances around me in that game, and you’re playing in a way I’d expect scum to play, chiefly because I was scum who played that way. I’m in no way arguing you consciously emulated me.